Low Population Bonus Issues

Maulkin · November 2014

Turelus, post this in the Customer Support section. They tend to respond a lot quicker there.

Turelus · November 2014

Might be worth doing. I tend to hate posting out of place but this is just crazy.
Just a green tag saying "we know this is an issue and are working to fix it." would make me happier.

rsciw · November 2014

Turelus wrote: »

Might be worth doing. I tend to hate posting out of place but this is just crazy.
Just a green tag saying "we know this is an issue and are working to fix it." would make me happier.

Even if they did that, with their track record us (AD) wins the next two campaigns just by this broken system before they manage to break it in another way with a [snip] patch...
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Nermy · November 2014

I can't believe there hasn't been a response to this yet, it really is one of the biggest [snip] ups they've cause so far!
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Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · November 2014

Just need to ask @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ for a comment please

don't let it go over the weekend without anything said

Nermy · November 2014

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Just need to ask @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ for a comment please don't let it go over the weekend without anything said

+1 Agreed!

Turelus · November 2014

Well I could always keep asking them in the ESO Live chat tonight, but I don't want to be too much of an annoying arse (more so than usual any way).

Still I just can't believe it's been this long and not a single ZOS answer or confirmation on whether it's a bug or not (though I really hope so).
This isn't some tiny little whine thread about how their actions are killing PVP, this is actually actively killing EU Thornblade more and more each day.

Turelus · November 2014

Posted a thread in the Customer Support section here.

Metronomicon · November 2014

Same thing happened again

Turelus · November 2014

*sigh* Another day, another ignored bunch of posts.

ZigaZuzek · November 2014

B_lov3d · November 2014

@ZigaZuzek had i been drinking it would be all over my screen right now.

But um did they silently fix this? Anyone at ZOS alive? Paying peoples kinda wanna know whats up.

Turelus · November 2014

It was still happening last night, I very much doubt it has been fixed.
I would guess we need a patch for it. I just someone could at least post to say they have read the issues, instead nothing for days and every single PVE issue is getting attention, even the forwards camp.

See this is the stuff that makes me miss EVE Online more and more, there you could have developers reply within a couple of hours, or tweet them specifically and have an answer. ZOS seems to think engaging with their community openly is a bad thing to do. We're just the cash cows waiting to be milked each month.

Nermy · November 2014

Turelus wrote: »

It was still happening last night, I very much doubt it has been fixed.
I would guess we need a patch for it. I just someone could at least post to say they have read the issues, instead nothing for days and every single PVE issue is getting attention, even the forwards camp.

See this is the stuff that makes me miss EVE Online more and more, there you could have developers reply within a couple of hours, or tweet them specifically and have an answer. ZOS seems to think engaging with their community openly is a bad thing to do. We're just the cash cows waiting to be milked each month.

If you look at the front page of the Alliance War section, how many have green Dev signs? 2 or 3?

Shows you the level of communication from ZoS. It wasn't this bad a few months ago. Has something changed? Are they all on a mid-term break or something?

Rylana · November 2014

Turelus wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

AD now have +632 per hour compared to DC +90 and EP +151 with all 3 factions having 2 scrolls.

This means that DC will close a gap of 283 and over take EP at the next score evaluation.

What's the point of even logging in to try and turn that around? For any of us?

All 3 factions may as well all leave and watch EsoStats.com for our latest update and leave the campaign on auto-pilot.

I've kept my cool with loads of changes made to PvP in ESO but this is pure shite.

Wow....this means that AD has a effective team.

Actually it means that AD doesn't have a team at all!

Which is interesting as in my last screenshot they had the same population as everyone else, yet got the bonus.

Because it is only calculated every four hours (to prevent people from capping during low pop times and riding that score). It was done to prevent the nightcappers from winning campaigns by only scoring points during the night time/low pop time.

Maulkin · November 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

AD now have +632 per hour compared to DC +90 and EP +151 with all 3 factions having 2 scrolls.

This means that DC will close a gap of 283 and over take EP at the next score evaluation.

What's the point of even logging in to try and turn that around? For any of us?

All 3 factions may as well all leave and watch EsoStats.com for our latest update and leave the campaign on auto-pilot.

I've kept my cool with loads of changes made to PvP in ESO but this is pure shite.

Wow....this means that AD has a effective team.

Actually it means that AD doesn't have a team at all!

Which is interesting as in my last screenshot they had the same population as everyone else, yet got the bonus.

Because it is only calculated every four hours (to prevent people from capping during low pop times and riding that score). It was done to prevent the nightcappers from winning campaigns by only scoring points during the night time/low pop time.

Still, not workng as it should be. You can get more points by being having low-pop at prime-time than by holding the entire map. This is stupid and it's ruining the fun. That coming from an AD player.

Plus I wonder, has anyone noticed any other faction getting the bonus apart from AD? It's rather conspicuous that AD seem to be the only ones getting it. I mean usually we have really high pop vs the others. I'll stand corrected if of course others have reported getting it too.

Rylana · November 2014

I dont think AD is as dominant of a population anymore as people used to believe.

many many players have quit or changed factions, this has been an ongoing thing for months actually.

Ive seen DC get a population bonus on blackwater blade NA, but that was about 2 weeks ago now.

Turelus · November 2014

@Rylana I actually am fine with the mechanic and the idea behind it, I am just trying to figure out WTF made ZOS think that scores over the level of what's achievable normally in game was smart.

When a faction which isn't active was leading the campaign because of inactivity there is a problem with the system.

ZOS_LenaicR · November 2014

Hey everyone,

Thank you for your patience while we've been looking into this report. At this time, we haven't found any bugs or behavior to indicate that something is not working as intended, but our team will continue to look into this issue. We'll update you as soon as we have more information.

Thank you again for your patience.

Turelus · November 2014

ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »

Hey everyone,

Thank you for your patience while we've been looking into this report. At this time, we haven't found any bugs or behavior to indicate that something is not working as intended, but our team will continue to look into this issue. We'll update you as soon as we have more information.

Thank you again for your patience.

As said in the other thread thank you for the reply ZOS LenaicR.
I'm still saddened it's taken this long and this much pestering to hear something but at least we know it's now being investigated.

What worries me now though is the line "we haven't found any bugs or behavior to indicate that something is not working as intended" which is a scary thought considering that even if working mechanically how you planned in reality it's harming the game.

No one has complained about the implementation of a mechanic which helps keep under-population factions competitive however the current implementation of the feature goes well beyond this and in fact helps under-populated factions climb to first place.

If this is indeed what's intended then I'm afraid you're going to have a lot of very angry players. As someone who sinks a considerable number of hours into the game each day (10am - 2am most days) I'm hesitant to want to play in a PVP campaign where my hard work and dedication is directly countered by a system boosting factions who won't fight past my own and into first position.

Gilvoth · November 2014

ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »

Hey everyone,

Thank you for your patience while we've been looking into this report. At this time, we haven't found any bugs or behavior to indicate that something is not working as intended, but our team will continue to look into this issue. We'll update you as soon as we have more information.

Thank you again for your patience.

what?
" we haven't found any bugs or behavior to indicate that something is not working as intended"
what?

Lava_Croft · November 2014

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »

Hey everyone,

Thank you for your patience while we've been looking into this report. At this time, we haven't found any bugs or behavior to indicate that something is not working as intended, but our team will continue to look into this issue. We'll update you as soon as we have more information.

Thank you again for your patience.

what?
" we haven't found any bugs or behavior to indicate that something is not working as intended"
what?

That means that so far they have found nothing that indicates something is not working as intended. That's all it means, nothing more and nothing less.

Turelus · November 2014

So from diving through forums I was able to find this post by Brian Wheeler.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The scoring evaluation bonus (underdog) will apply a 3x score value currently to capturing keeps from the winning alliance. If you capture keeps from the non winning alliance, they just count for regular scoring.

Are you seeing that it's applying the 3x bonus on any keep captured?

Also note this system has been in Cyrodiil since launch but may not have been as visible in the 90 day campaigns.

It seem this has been around since release but it's the first time many on EU Thornblade (to my knowledge) have seen it.

This probably goes back to why LeniacR posted things are working as intended. Now amusing this isn't a bug I am hoping that ZOS might be open to different systems for population bonus (underdog) because of the ridiculous levels it can currently reach.

I'm not sure it's every going to be acceptable for a faction to gain +800 points for what is essentially not doing any work. Right now the issue on EU Thornblade is not that there are no AD Players in the game but simply they're off enjoying the new PVE content while still being able to top the scoreboards some nights.

I personally find this is punishing me for taking an active part in PVP as often as I do. I spend most of my active time logged in leading raids in Cyrodiil for my guild/alliance meaning I miss out on the games PVE content.
AD players under this system right now however can play as much PVE as they want and then log in to claim some keeps from the winning faction and get a score value equal to four or five hours of fighting hard for very little work.

I would love to know more about the mechanics involved if anyone at ZOS is able to post the information for us.

Lava_Croft · November 2014

Inbetween all the horrible lag, framerate issues, rollbacks and sniper hell, these ridiculous low population bonuses are just the thing for someone already stretching his motivation to play PvP very thin.

KBKB · November 2014

ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »

Hey everyone,

Thank you for your patience while we've been looking into this report. At this time, we haven't found any bugs or behavior to indicate that something is not working as intended, but our team will continue to look into this issue. We'll update you as soon as we have more information.

Thank you again for your patience.

@ZOS_LenaicR‌

Lol 500+ points equal population, glasses get them.

Lava_Croft · November 2014

Black-Bird wrote: »

ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »

Hey everyone,

Thank you for your patience while we've been looking into this report. At this time, we haven't found any bugs or behavior to indicate that something is not working as intended, but our team will continue to look into this issue. We'll update you as soon as we have more information.

Thank you again for your patience.

@ZOS_LenaicR‌

Lol 500+ points equal population, glasses get them.

You seem to be mixing up things. Right now this is being treated as a bug report and what you do with a bug report is check if everything is technically working as intended. So far this seems to be the case. This says absolutely nothing about whether the low population bonuses need to be changed in any way and certainly doesn't warrant snarky comments at people trying to help out.

KBKB · November 2014

ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »

Hey everyone,

Thank you for your patience while we've been looking into this report. At this time, we haven't found any bugs or behavior to indicate that something is not working as intended, but our team will continue to look into this issue. We'll update you as soon as we have more information.

Thank you again for your patience.

Check the three other threads for screen shots of pops equal and factions getting low pop at a stupidly large scoring rate, that I would consider as behavior of the low pop mechanism.

B_lov3d · November 2014

Sigh....I want to punch small furry things.

>_> sorry, just was hoping for a more enthusiastic response like we haven't found anything but this isn't intended we will find what's causing this and in the meantime we'll reset points and all EP and DC get gold Dwemer Motifs for their sorrows

...and 10k gold... and flying ponies.

Meh a girl can hope.

heng14rwb17_ESO · November 2014

ESO system has detected serious purple alliance.
In order to be fair to AD, this has to be done.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · November 2014

B_lov3d wrote: »

Sigh....I want to punch small furry things.

>_> sorry, just was hoping for a more enthusiastic response like we haven't found anything but this isn't intended we will find what's causing this and in the meantime we'll reset points and all EP and DC get gold Dwemer Motifs for their sorrows ...and 10k gold... and flying ponies.

Meh a girl can hope.

Flying pig pet np