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Does impulse need a nerf?
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eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »All I'm reading is a lot of missdirected anger. 1) AoE trains would exists even without impulse if everything else was left the same mechanics wise
True but they would lack a lot of offensive filler spam dps, in-between bats, sap, talon, ulti + synergy etc. Would most definitely tone them down.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »2) If your issue is lag take it up with zeni. not the large groups, not impulse.
Because you cant argue with mentally impaired impulse monkeys. I know. They dont care that their play-style of choice (stacking 50+ players on one square meter spamming animations), is sending everyone back to loading screen, makes PvP unplayable. It's special forces bomb skillz yo. Everyone crashing just jealous!
You're still right ofc, It's not our responsibility as players to make sure that performance in PvP runs smoothly.
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Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭should keep its range untouched but have a 1sec CT.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
FluffiestOne✭✭✭✭Please, the moment impulse is unusable, the dks will switch to engulfing flames and talons.Fluffy
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Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭you do realize, people, that the more nerfs to AOE you ask for from ZOS, the more powerful DKs become right?@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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serenenightmare✭✭✭FluffiestOne wrote: »Please, the moment impulse is unusable, the dks will switch to engulfing flames and talons.
No... Please! Anything but more talons! My stamina and magicka can't take it!v14 Sorcerer: Aerendyl Merith
Former Empress of Volendrung, first cycle.
Former Empress of Thornblade, fourth cycle.
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No Mercy.
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ThyIronFist✭✭✭✭✭Radius being reduced is good, it also needs a 1-1.5 sec cast timer.The Elder Zergs Online
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mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
3) All AoE skills ignore block and sharpened trait ignores spell res mitigation.
This is incorrect. It seems all magicka based aoe abilities will ignore block, stamina aoes such as steel tornado and shrouded daggers don't.
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Roechacca✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There's ways to fight against it. Spread out, caltrops an ranged attacks. What I don't like about those trains is how the servers lag out in those areas. They need to investigate whether the spam trains are causing the zone to bug an how to allocate server resources to compensate for a system they allowed players to implement. Also on a personal note.... I think those spam trains are for bads mmmmK0 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ThyIronFist wrote: »Radius being reduced is good, it also needs a 1-1.5 sec cast timer.
Slightly too long. .5 would be enough. The main point of it would to leave vuneranility to be stopped from spamming it.
A lot of skills need similar short cast times or channels based on their effectiveness when spammed ranging from .2 to .5. Heals should not recieve a cast time, or .1 at the most. I'll count talons, inhale, sap essense, lava whip, mages fury, blazing spear, and some others that need some a short vunerability for use.
Impulse in this case would probably not need anything done to it other than make it blockable. It would also be fair to the skills that already have this vunerability in them; uppercut, flurry, snipe, crystal shards, nova, and dawnbreaker.0 -
Impulse by itself is a weak spell. It doesn't need to be nerfed.
It is only relevant in the current meta due to the aoe target cap and the safety in stacking it causes.
Remove that and impulse becomes suicide.
It may even need a buff without the cap.0 -
FluffiestOne✭✭✭✭You guys focus too much on the "impulse" think about what is making it powerful. Actually think out how how it's hitting for 600+ damage. Vamprisim, Dawnbreaker, Weapon damage, Warrior stone, Criticals, just to name a few, those are the things you should be thinking about. Don't judge a book by it's cover, look at the content.Fluffy
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Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭the 6 meter thing took a few skirmishes to get used to, but i notice no difference now
i still hit like a mack truck on idiots that try to swarm me. feels good man.@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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Aldmeri Dominion: Rylana Dionysis - DK - AR 25 == Kailiana - NB - AR 21 == Minerva Dionysis - Temp - AR 21 == Victoria Dionysis - Sorc - AR 13
Daggerfall Covenant: Dannika Dionysis - DK - AR 21 == The Catman Rises - Temp - AR 15 (Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade)
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Bipolo✭✭✭Something mentioned a while back...Why is "everyone" using it in PvE & PvP?
Easy, Impulse equals:
- Animation canceling/Block casting
- Cant be BLOCKED
- Cant be DODGED/MISSED
- Good AoE/Single target damage
- Can generate Ultimate fast
- Great AoE Health debuff or DoT
- Low magicka cost = Spam-able
- No cast time
- No cast restrictions, it can be used while moving or standing still
This is the single most aggravating ability in PvP because it basically trumps every other play style when used in stacked groups along with the safety of AoE cap's (even solo with certain builds)
Is there any other Weapon Ability that is close to performing/outperforming Impulse and its morphs?Edited by Bipolo on November 4, 2014 10:17AMSkeggǫld, Skálmǫld, Skildir ro Klofnir
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Revelry is never-ending, mead flows freely, and the greatest Nords of all time compete in tests of strength and prowess. (...)
Through all the suffering and adversity in this world, true Nord warriors endure, for Sovngarde awaits."
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FluffiestOne✭✭✭✭Sap essence, Solar Barrage, google it.Fluffy
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Fliffers, Daggerfall Liberator of Hopesfire, Templar.
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Something mentioned a while back...Why is "everyone" using it in PvE & PvP?
Easy, Impulse equals:
- Animation canceling/Block casting
- Cant be BLOCKED
- Cant be DODGED/MISSED
- Good AoE/Single target damage
- Can generate Ultimate fast
- Great AoE Health debuff or DoT
- Low magicka cost = Spam-able
- No cast time
- No cast restrictions, it can be used while moving or standing still
This is the single most aggravating ability in PvP because it basically trumps every other play style when used in stacked groups along with the safety of AoE cap's (even solo with certain builds)
Is there any other Weapon Ability that is close to performing/outperforming Impulse and its morphs?
Almost all that stuff on that list applies to pretty much every magic PBAoE in the game though.
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Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭my opinion make it a directinal cone attack or plant it down like healing springs0 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »It needs to do less damage the more people it hits. None of this Oprah-esque damage.
"YOU GET FULL DAMAGE AND YOU GET FULL DAMAGE, EVERYBODY GETS FULL DAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!"
I'd rather it give full damage to 6 people and less damage to 1 person. If you see a impulse train coming, spread out.
Boom. The skill is useless against another group (outside of tight, tight spaces), and 3 people spamming it on top of just you won't be near as deadly.Edited by Sallington on November 4, 2014 9:33PMDaggerfall Covenant
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PlagueMonk✭✭✭✭✭Give it a cast timer, make it interruptable, make it stationary (none of this running about BS)0 -
Bipolo✭✭✭
Should have put Bold on this partmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Something mentioned a while back...Why is "everyone" using it in PvE & PvP?
Easy, Impulse equals:
- Animation canceling/Block casting
- Cant be BLOCKED
- Cant be DODGED/MISSED
- Good AoE/Single target damage
- Can generate Ultimate fast
- Great AoE Health debuff or DoT
- Low magicka cost = Spam-able
- No cast time
- No cast restrictions, it can be used while moving or standing still
This is the single most aggravating ability in PvP because it basically trumps every other play style when used in stacked groups along with the safety of AoE cap's (even solo with certain builds)
Is there any other Weapon Ability that is close to performing/outperforming Impulse and its morphs?
Almost all that stuff on that list applies to pretty much every magic PBAoE in the game though.
"Is there any other Weapon Ability that is close to performing/outperforming Impulse and its morphs?"
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Revelry is never-ending, mead flows freely, and the greatest Nords of all time compete in tests of strength and prowess. (...)
Through all the suffering and adversity in this world, true Nord warriors endure, for Sovngarde awaits."
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
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Should have put Bold on this partmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Something mentioned a while back...Why is "everyone" using it in PvE & PvP?
Easy, Impulse equals:
- Animation canceling/Block casting
- Cant be BLOCKED
- Cant be DODGED/MISSED
- Good AoE/Single target damage
- Can generate Ultimate fast
- Great AoE Health debuff or DoT
- Low magicka cost = Spam-able
- No cast time
- No cast restrictions, it can be used while moving or standing still
This is the single most aggravating ability in PvP because it basically trumps every other play style when used in stacked groups along with the safety of AoE cap's (even solo with certain builds)
Is there any other Weapon Ability that is close to performing/outperforming Impulse and its morphs?
Almost all that stuff on that list applies to pretty much every magic PBAoE in the game though.
"Is there any other Weapon Ability that is close to performing/outperforming Impulse and its morphs?"
But why does that matter at all? When 3/4 classes have at least one strong PBAoE magicka skill? The only one that doesn't is the sorc, which is why sorcs use impulse and become batmen in droves.
NBs use Sap, DKs use Inhale, Temps use Blazing Shield. All of them are better PBAoEs in many many ways, for PvP at least. Not to mention that you don't have to slot a destro staff to slot these skills, so in fact by using impulse you sacrifice the survivability of S&B.EU | PC | AD2 -
Bipolo✭✭✭
Common, we both know Inhale is great, but to say it performs as good as Impulse? Nahhh, we know that not to be true.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Should have put Bold on this partmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Something mentioned a while back...Why is "everyone" using it in PvE & PvP?
Easy, Impulse equals:
- Animation canceling/Block casting
- Cant be BLOCKED
- Cant be DODGED/MISSED
- Good AoE/Single target damage
- Can generate Ultimate fast
- Great AoE Health debuff or DoT
- Low magicka cost = Spam-able
- No cast time
- No cast restrictions, it can be used while moving or standing still
This is the single most aggravating ability in PvP because it basically trumps every other play style when used in stacked groups along with the safety of AoE cap's (even solo with certain builds)
Is there any other Weapon Ability that is close to performing/outperforming Impulse and its morphs?
Almost all that stuff on that list applies to pretty much every magic PBAoE in the game though.
"Is there any other Weapon Ability that is close to performing/outperforming Impulse and its morphs?"
But why does that matter at all? When 3/4 classes have at least one strong PBAoE magicka skill? The only one that doesn't is the sorc, which is why sorcs use impulse and become batmen in droves.
NBs use Sap, DKs use Inhale, Temps use Blazing Shield & Solar Barrage. All of them are better PBAoEs in many many ways, for PvP at least. Not to mention that you don't have to slot a destro staff to slot these skills, so in fact by using impulse you sacrifice the survivability of S&B.
Quick Example: Ulti regen
How many Impulse casts is possible in 2.5sec?
...
On top of that, add Elemental Ring (fire) and its DoT ticks
Inhale will never come close :'(
You must go back to the glory days of uncapped Inhale for it to compete and even outperform Elemental Ring /reminisceEdited by Bipolo on November 5, 2014 3:46AMSkeggǫld, Skálmǫld, Skildir ro Klofnir
"Nords who prove themselves in battle awaken in the realm after death. Pain and illness vanish within the Hall of Valor.
Revelry is never-ending, mead flows freely, and the greatest Nords of all time compete in tests of strength and prowess. (...)
Through all the suffering and adversity in this world, true Nord warriors endure, for Sovngarde awaits."
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
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Common, we both know Inhale is great, but to say it performs as good as Impulse? Nahhh, we know that not to be true.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Should have put Bold on this partmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Something mentioned a while back...Why is "everyone" using it in PvE & PvP?
Easy, Impulse equals:
- Animation canceling/Block casting
- Cant be BLOCKED
- Cant be DODGED/MISSED
- Good AoE/Single target damage
- Can generate Ultimate fast
- Great AoE Health debuff or DoT
- Low magicka cost = Spam-able
- No cast time
- No cast restrictions, it can be used while moving or standing still
This is the single most aggravating ability in PvP because it basically trumps every other play style when used in stacked groups along with the safety of AoE cap's (even solo with certain builds)
Is there any other Weapon Ability that is close to performing/outperforming Impulse and its morphs?
Almost all that stuff on that list applies to pretty much every magic PBAoE in the game though.
"Is there any other Weapon Ability that is close to performing/outperforming Impulse and its morphs?"
But why does that matter at all? When 3/4 classes have at least one strong PBAoE magicka skill? The only one that doesn't is the sorc, which is why sorcs use impulse and become batmen in droves.
NBs use Sap, DKs use Inhale, Temps use Blazing Shield & Solar Barrage. All of them are better PBAoEs in many many ways, for PvP at least. Not to mention that you don't have to slot a destro staff to slot these skills, so in fact by using impulse you sacrifice the survivability of S&B.
Quick Example: Ulti regen
How many Impulse casts is possible in 2.5sec?
...
On top of that, add Elemental Ring (fire) and its DoT ticks
Inhale will never come close :'(
You must go back to the glory days of uncapped Inhale for it to compete and even outperform Elemental Ring /reminisce
Define performs? Inhale is not pure damage, it's also a heal. Go check on CLS how much heals you get from it. It's my #1 healing ability by a country mile. The fact it also deals about 80% of the damage of Impulse and for less magicka is an absolute bonus.
Sure if you want to pure DPS, go destro. It "performs" better. But you'll get nowhere near the utility you'll get with class skills. And you forgot Talons. If you want damage and CC and DoT talons is also great.
Personally I haven't used destro staff on my DK solo build in a long time. Not looking back eitehrEU | PC | AD2 -
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✭I'm still not seeing the animation..my death cap is reading 2-4 ppl ran through with Impulse and I never saw the animation..how am I supposed to dodge something I don't even see?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0
