tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Kreetar wrote: »

I don't "give ZOS" x amount of time to solve this or solve that. I know everything will be done in time, and I have the patience that others may lack to wait around for it. I'll admit that I have low standards, though, and can be very easily stimulated and entertained.

for all we know, eso could go f2p in 2015.

for all we know, eso could go f2p in 2019. Let's wait.

Why n o option for playing both?!

until Project Gorgon. Or whichever private server for older games takes my interest next/again in the meantime (P99 usually)

Got used to the old school MMORPGs, nice as ESO is, it sure as hell is not an MMORPG by my definition. More 'massively' than lobby games, sure, but still, no, no way near..
I miss my UI, i miss my more than 5 skills, i miss my having some way of showing i am good at something, because here it's so streamlined i cannot differentiate, i miss my god damn name plates, i miss my being able to chat AND do other things simultaneously, i miss my having something to look forward to while/for leveling up, because this game is so easy, lvl 35 or lvl 40, makes no difference. I miss mobs dropping rare recipes, dropping anything for crying out loud, i miss rare mobs that dropped 'x' component, i miss seamless, non faction invisible areas. I miss MMOs where the community came from other MMOs and have -some- level of expectations, beyond 'oooh,look at the pretty'. I miss MMOs where guilds mattered in some infinitesimal personal, private kind of way.

Could go on..

Divad Zarn wrote: »

WoW dead for oldschool players after WOTLK, with coming of Cata, subs of wow decreased from 17 millions to 7 millions for this time.. so for sure its better to try something new, besides to hold something what is dying.

Such a BS what you are telling. WoW never had 17 Mio. Subs.
The biggest Subscription base was 2010 with 12 Mio. until then it decreased to currently 7.4 Mio.

If it goes on, than WoW will reach the amount of customers that ESO has around 2020.

Dont Shoot wrote: »

I quit ESO and went back to WoW for 2 months. WoW is just too old and has become a big fat heffer full of piglets sucking on it's nips. The game will give u everything you want too easily. Regardless of skill, you will get all the bells and whistles that used to take years to get and grouping is about as social as a single player game with cheap AI.

Well it is not different here. You don`t have a LFR option in ESO but well, you don`t need it. The best gear still comes from crafting that needs no skill at all.

The game has changed to appeal to countries that have large numbers of people using slower computers that cant play brand new game. China, vietnam,
parts of eastern europe, turkey, russia. The Pandora expansion is the most insulting thing I've ever had to sit through. It's not connected to the great warcraft lore at all and the game play is worse then a michael bay movie when it comes to pandering to a Chinese audience to make a cheap buck. China and Korea have some great game dev's they dont need WoW giving them some low quality photocopy of their culture

You know, that the Pandaria lore was introduced back in Warcraft 3?

The game is just too old. The combat is just tooo boring. The macros are just too numerous and it all feels like pointless key smashing.

And the ESO combat isn`t boring? Spamming the same two attacks over and over again?
What look most builds in Eso?

- Gap Closer
- Attack
- Attack
- Deff
- Deff/Toggle Skill

I have to be honest, I am no fan of 40 Skills per Character that can be used at once. But I don`t like the console Gamplay as well, where you run around with 5 Skills per Weapon. Like ESO or GW2. That is okay for Games like Diablo, pure Hack n Slay, but in MMOs I need more.

Than show me the link, where it has its 17 Mio. Subs.
I bet you won't find anyone.

What a fight seriously! Both game have their merits and their inperfections. Both games doesn't appeal to the same gamestyle. Some poeple will work better with one, and other with the second, and some poeple will enjoy both games.

kongkim wrote: »

Wow sux

:-)

@DivadZarn
Still waiting for the link!

WoW is just simply isn't my type of game. I mean, I understand that it was among the first commercially successful MMOs with a subscription based model and all but.....it simply isn't fun (for me, at least) imo.

Now ESO? ESO I have fun with.
And no matter how people scream that it sucks, that it is going to go f2p or that it is loitered with bugs and exploits (of which I am blessed enough to have encountered so few) I will still pay 15 dollars a month to play ESO if it keeps up the element of 'fun' for me.

That's all the logic and reasoning I need.

Some people will leave for the new WoW expansion.

They'll be back.

I can't care about more than 1 MMO at a time, and since I like ESO I don't see why I should be concerned with any other...

You know, that the Pandaria lore was introduced back in Warcraft 3?

Wrong. There was no "lore" associated with Pandaria in WC3. It was an Easter-egg added to the game that came from an inside joke in the Blizz office. Only after people began to associate this Easter-egg so heavily with Warcraft at large, they decided to make it into a story element.

I HATE with a burning passion when people claim this. I LOVE Warcraft lore, and it's a shame they COPPED OUT and when for the lowest common denominator of "Generic Asian Themed Expansion," RIGHT IN LINE WITH Age of Conan, Guild Wars 1, and other MMOs.

It is a cop out, and a shameless attempt to pander (excuse the pun) to they younger demographic they developed WHILE LEAVING BEHIND MORE NUANCED AND ESOTERIC LORE LORE LIKE THE EMERALD DREAM.

/rage over.

WoW is dead to me, has been since the release of WOTLK, and I played from week 1 Vanilla.

Why not play The Elder Warlords' Scrolls of Draenor Online? That should be more fun than a house on fire two houses on fire.

On a (slightly) more serious note:

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

It is a cop out, and a shameless attempt to pander (excuse the pun) to they younger demographic they developed WHILE LEAVING BEHIND MORE NUANCED AND ESOTERIC LORE LORE LIKE THE EMERALD DREAM.

Creating/developing unique content like the Emerald Dream (which surely was a vision of the original developing team back in the alpha, if you look closely you can find footage of it on YouTube) would have required original creativity, the will to experiment, and getting out of the comfort zone, no matter the costs. Instead with WoD, they reinvent Outland/TBC with a "Star Trek reboot" twist: what would have happened if event x hadn't happened? It's the presumably safer and easier route to tread, it's ramifications will only become known much later down the road. Alas, fat cats tend to play it save more often than not.

Stay hungry, stay foolish, ZOS!

WTB a "Both" option.