How would you like to hide your vampirism?

MornaBaine · October 2014

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I've lost track of how many threads the OP has started on this same subject. In addition to his not wanting to look like a Vamp, he also wants the stages gimped as well.

There's actually a very simple solution... Don't like it as it is? Don't become one. Stop campaigning to make becoming a Vamp a trivial decision.

Don't like that your class is unbalanced or broken? Stop complaining! Play another class! See how that works?

Thrymbauld · October 2014

With respect, simply leaving off the option to not be able to hide it at all is garbage. Choosing to ignore the option that a fair number would choose completely renders the other options irrelevant.

In this game, being an undead monster means people get to see you for what you are. It is that way intentionally and should be left that way.

And that would be my choice, with no other options. If you choose to do this for yourself, you should have to "unlive" with the consequences of your choice, all the time, for eternity, barring embracing the light and accepting a cure.

MornaBaine · October 2014

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

I like the idea of the trophy type item with an activate while out of combat option.

IE: You have to complete a quest or a public dungeon or something to get access to it. Make it a challenge. No handouts.

Soon as you enter combat, it fades.

THIS would make me ridiculously happy. It could then even actually incorporate the lore breaking strain of vampirism that has been shoehorned into this game with little thought. It could go: Sadly, you are among a rare strain of vampires nearly hunted to extinction because you are ALWAYS ravenous AND you LOOK like a disgusting monster that haunts the nightmares of children all over Tamriel, making you INCREDIBLY EASY PREY for all the self proclaimed monster hunters out there. Fortunately, Count Ravenwatch shared the secret of HIDING one's terribly unfortunate vampiric appearance with his protege', Gwendis. And she, FURIOUS with the shoddy treatment her fellow vamps continuously get from the painfully ignorant populace, has decided to start giving it out to her fellow maligned and misunderstood bloodsuckers. You just need to do ONE tiny (and life threatening, of course) thing for her...

Yep, it could very easily be an awesome quest!

kijima · October 2014

GrimMauKin wrote: »

As a bit of a vampire hunter I've always fancied a Fighters Guild passive that would allow vampires or other undead to be detectable from distance (perhaps by aura colour).

Guild

Evil Hunter: This ability now highlights vampire player characters in Cyrodiil.

So in 1.5 you have your wish.

Audigy · October 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I've lost track of how many threads the OP has started on this same subject. In addition to his not wanting to look like a Vamp, he also wants the stages gimped as well.

There's actually a very simple solution... Don't like it as it is? Don't become one. Stop campaigning to make becoming a Vamp a trivial decision.

Don't like that your class is unbalanced or broken? Stop complaining! Play another class! See how that works?

So now your class / race is broken because its not visually attractive to your eye?No offence but are you really trying to put this as an argument now since all the others were rejected?

Seriously, if you don't like how a Vampire looks like why even play one? It seems like you don't even want to identify yourself with that role, you want something pretty and cute and hey this isn't what a vampire is.

yiasemi · October 2014

I'd welcome this. I don't want to see them running around my city. They need to skulk, hide and furtively so on. I know Tamriel is in turmoil at this time but I prefer the days pre-Dawnwhatever it was for Skyrim when TES games had a vampire or two hidden among Imperial nobility, and the rest went to the sword and the stake. Whatever you did in the privacy of your game was none of my business.
OKs I admit it, I am a Dissolute of Stendarr. (Nord branch).

kijima · October 2014

I predict that when 1.5 goes live, it no longer will be Elder Vampires Online in Cyrodiil.

Takes this into consideration.

1. Vamps will no longer be the OP FOTM character making it 'the' choice for PvP
2. Bats will have had it's second nerf by 1.5
3. Vampire toons are ugly
4. They will glow to anyone with Evil hunter equipped
5. Lousy fire resistance making vamps a piñata for DK's and their flame skills
6. Many have said on the forum they will become outright vampire hunters

I'm not sure why anyone apart from RP'ers would continue on with vamps after the 1.5 update.

GreyPilgrim · October 2014

uhhh... you're missing the "I don't want to hide my vampires appearance" option.

Thanks.

Edit: ok, so i missed the part where you purposely left that out. My point would be that you shouldn't have left it out. Polls should always offer the counterpoint opinion in order to generate valid stats.

kewl · October 2014

A bacon mask! Really, you should not be able to hie vampirism.

GreyPilgrim · October 2014

kijima wrote: »

I predict that when 1.5 goes live, it no longer will be Elder Vampires Online in Cyrodiil.

Takes this into consideration.

1. Vamps will no longer be the OP FOTM character making it 'the' choice for PvP
2. Bats will have had it's second nerf by 1.5
3. Vampire toons are ugly
4. They will glow to anyone with Evil hunter equipped
5. Lousy fire resistance making vamps a piñata for DK's and their flame skills
6. Many have said on the forum they will become outright vampire hunters

I'm not sure why anyone apart from RP'ers would continue on with vamps after the 1.5 update.

Dark Stalker. Loves ma stealth mobility.

Honestly, I figured it was mostly RPr's calling for the appearance nerf, so that they can play sexy Twilight toons. I don't think there's that many PvPr's who give a rats back end how their toon looks unless it makes them a target, and there's already costumes and helmets that cover yer eyes, so already multiple ways to hide vamp for PvP.

kijima · October 2014

Dunmer medium armour helm hides my pastie white skin and red eyes very well, I agree with what you are saying.

Plus there is the skellie and goblin (goblin horse surfing RP FTW!) as well.

But my days as a vamp are numbered, 1.5 has seen to that. At least there will be far less bats in PvP now. What will the impluse monkeys do now ?

MornaBaine · October 2014

GreyPilgrim wrote: »

uhhh... you're missing the "I don't want to hide my vampires appearance" option.

Thanks.

Edit: ok, so i missed the part where you purposely left that out. My point would be that you shouldn't have left it out. Polls should always offer the counterpoint opinion in order to generate valid stats.

But the poll isn't about whether or not people want to be able to hide their vampire's appearance. It's about asking those who DO wish for such a thing what way they would like to see it implemented. Just because it wasn't the poll you wanted doesn't make it an invalid poll. Thanks for playing.

MornaBaine · October 2014

kewl wrote: »

A bacon mask! Really, you should not be able to hie vampirism.

Why not? Please explain. Please use ES lore as your basis. I'm waiting.

MornaBaine · October 2014

Audigy wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I've lost track of how many threads the OP has started on this same subject. In addition to his not wanting to look like a Vamp, he also wants the stages gimped as well.

There's actually a very simple solution... Don't like it as it is? Don't become one. Stop campaigning to make becoming a Vamp a trivial decision.

Don't like that your class is unbalanced or broken? Stop complaining! Play another class! See how that works?

So now your class / race is broken because its not visually attractive to your eye?No offence but are you really trying to put this as an argument now since all the others were rejected?

Seriously, if you don't like how a Vampire looks like why even play one? It seems like you don't even want to identify yourself with that role, you want something pretty and cute and hey this isn't what a vampire is.

Whether it's a matter of your class being "broken" or a matter of simple cosmetic appearance, what BOTH boil down to is PLAYER SATISFACTION with their character. If a player is not satisfied with ANY aspect of their character, they are at perfect liberty to let ZoS know what the problem is for them and suggest those things they feel would fix it. One type of player dissatisfaction is not actually less important than another.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · October 2014

I would not.

Vizier · October 2014

You can't hide. We'll be sniffing you guys out.

Terrible poll

Vamps should be gruesome IMO. It seems ZoS thinks so too. Take the disguise they might offer and let sleeping dogs lie.

*Edited typo.. oops.

MornaBaine · October 2014

Vizier wrote: »

You can't hide. We'll be sniffing you guys out.

Terrible pole

Vamps should be gruesome IMO. It seems ZoS thinks so too. Take the disguise they might offer and let sleeping dogs lie.

You're right, it is a terrible pole. I'm quite certain it couldn't support a stripper. On the other hand, it is a perfectly legitimate poll. As to your "suggestion".... the point of discussing all of this NOW is so that the devs might actually have a clear idea of what players want and can therefore make a more informed decision on what they are willing to actually implement. I know, crazy talk.

Vizier · October 2014

Ooops. Corrcted....shrug..happens.

Well we know you won't give up the good fight and that you'll be leading the charge. (facepalm) umm.. good luck?

Turelus · October 2014

Costume.
If you're going to try and hide the choices you make, it should be at the cost of your entire appearance.

MornaBaine · October 2014

Turelus wrote: »

Costume.
If you're going to try and hide the choices you make, it should be at the cost of your entire appearance.

A costume does not mean a vampire's "entire appearance" would be altered. Consider the guild tabbard. While wearing it the rest of whatever armor you happen to be wearing still shows. So it is likely that a costume to "hide" your vampiric appearance will only affect your skin tone/eyes, altering them back to whatever they were originally. The only reason I would not be perfectly happy (though if this is the best they will do for us, so be it) with this solution is because it would then keep us from wearing guild tabbards and other costumes and disguises. But as I see you are one of the mysterious "you should be made to be unhappy with your character if you are playing a vampire and if they ever do something that would make you happy they must do it in such a way that it makes you unhappy with your vampire character in some other way" cultists I suppose that distinction may be lost on you.

Alexium · October 2014

No. I will not hiding vampirism using something uncommon like costume or gem. If you are vampire, please use special wear or hood with mask and don't walk at crowded market during day. You may to use full helmet or full mask but you never hide true nature from mages or skilled hunters. When I chose play as vampire, I was ready to all problems with it even totally aggressive environment and vampire hunters pursuit. First time I even used Bound Armor for hiding vampirism, but then tired... Too many fearless bloodsuckers walking around.

Audigy · October 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I've lost track of how many threads the OP has started on this same subject. In addition to his not wanting to look like a Vamp, he also wants the stages gimped as well.

There's actually a very simple solution... Don't like it as it is? Don't become one. Stop campaigning to make becoming a Vamp a trivial decision.

Don't like that your class is unbalanced or broken? Stop complaining! Play another class! See how that works?

So now your class / race is broken because its not visually attractive to your eye?No offence but are you really trying to put this as an argument now since all the others were rejected?

Seriously, if you don't like how a Vampire looks like why even play one? It seems like you don't even want to identify yourself with that role, you want something pretty and cute and hey this isn't what a vampire is.

Whether it's a matter of your class being "broken" or a matter of simple cosmetic appearance, what BOTH boil down to is PLAYER SATISFACTION with their character. If a player is not satisfied with ANY aspect of their character, they are at perfect liberty to let ZoS know what the problem is for them and suggest those things they feel would fix it. One type of player dissatisfaction is not actually less important than another.

You speak about your satisfaction but you completely ignore the fact that a Vampire is not a pretty thing. For you the design of vampires is wrong - the reasons for that while clear to me and in my opinion wrong need to be tolerated and accepted.

That said, you can not demand that a whole design is changed just because of you. Right from the beginning you knew how Vampires would be presented at ESO, you knew what the ups and downs would be and if you cant accept those then why choose that road for your char?

I asked that question before and I will repeat it. Why did you choose to become a vampire if you can not identify yourself with that class / skill line? To me this just doesn't make sense.

MornaBaine · October 2014

Audigy wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I've lost track of how many threads the OP has started on this same subject. In addition to his not wanting to look like a Vamp, he also wants the stages gimped as well.

There's actually a very simple solution... Don't like it as it is? Don't become one. Stop campaigning to make becoming a Vamp a trivial decision.

Don't like that your class is unbalanced or broken? Stop complaining! Play another class! See how that works?

So now your class / race is broken because its not visually attractive to your eye?No offence but are you really trying to put this as an argument now since all the others were rejected?

Seriously, if you don't like how a Vampire looks like why even play one? It seems like you don't even want to identify yourself with that role, you want something pretty and cute and hey this isn't what a vampire is.

Whether it's a matter of your class being "broken" or a matter of simple cosmetic appearance, what BOTH boil down to is PLAYER SATISFACTION with their character. If a player is not satisfied with ANY aspect of their character, they are at perfect liberty to let ZoS know what the problem is for them and suggest those things they feel would fix it. One type of player dissatisfaction is not actually less important than another.

You speak about your satisfaction but you completely ignore the fact that a Vampire is not a pretty thing. For you the design of vampires is wrong - the reasons for that while clear to me and in my opinion wrong need to be tolerated and accepted.

That said, you can not demand that a whole design is changed just because of you. Right from the beginning you knew how Vampires would be presented at ESO, you knew what the ups and downs would be and if you cant accept those then why choose that road for your char?

I asked that question before and I will repeat it. Why did you choose to become a vampire if you can not identify yourself with that class / skill line? To me this just doesn't make sense.

Okay, I'll answer your question. First of all, I DON'T identify myself with any of my characters. They are characters I PLAY. They aren't me. I don't play in first person to get that "I am there" feeling. I play pulled out from my character so I am seeing them all the time. And during roleplay I am forever moving my camera around to see everyone I am interacting with and therefore also end up seeing my character's face a lot. Currently, this is not a good thing.

Why did I choose to play a vampire? Because of the previous ES games where they are nothing like they are in ESO. I naively did not realize just HOW BAD they would really be. I didn't want to believe they were some half-baked sop thrown in at the last minute just to sucker in people like me who were expecting vampires to have some consistency with the previous games and that they would actually be fun to play. I didn't realize they would be THAT HIDEOUS and that they would be hideous MOST OF THE TIME. I stick with it because my entire character concept for this particular character is built around her being a vampire. From a storytelling perspective, vampires ARE fun. Unfortunately ZoS seems to have decided to do everything possible to discourage people from playing them.

And believe me, it's not "just" me who is dissatisfied with this. Visit teso-rp some time if you want the TRUE perspective of a fairly large potion of the playerbase who play vampires. But most of those people won't set foot in these forums because of the unbelievable rudeness and abuse they encounter when they do dare to do so.

I'm willing to give ZoS some time to fix this and listen to their players. If it turns out they are more willing to cave to the haters than to do a few things that won't actually impact those who, for whatever reason, LIKE the monstrous appearance, I'm going to have to rethink my continued financial support of this game. And if they've done nothing on this issue by this game's first anniversary, I will likely drop my sub. But before that happens I'm going to do my darndest to be the squeeky wheel and will continue to advocate for vampires that are actually enjoyable to play.

Hypertionb14_ESO · October 2014

i would rather quite simply have a Gameplay option.

"Vampirism Visual effects - On/Off"

gameplay and such wise it doesnt make sense to have that, so here is my other suggestion

Make Stage 1 look like a normal Human... well fed Vampires are known to find ways to fit in society, and the most you might notice lore wise are the eyes.

no reason why the type of vampire the players are is closer to that of the Cyridil ones.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · October 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

The following poll will not have a "leave is exactly as is option" because this poll is designed to help pinpoint the most popular view among those who WOULD like to see changes..

Which means that this whole thing is a waste of time if those who want change are a trivial percentage of the entire playerbase who have a view that it's fine as it is.

Way to skew the result to the way you want it.

MornaBaine · October 2014

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

The following poll will not have a "leave is exactly as is option" because this poll is designed to help pinpoint the most popular view among those who WOULD like to see changes..

Which means that this whole thing is a waste of time if those who want change are a trivial percentage of the entire playerbase who have a view that it's fine as it is.

Way to skew the result to the way you want it.

I never fail to be surprised by how poorly people understand polls and what they are and what they measure. Thus far a fairly small percentage of players have actually taken the poll. That will let ZoS know the percentage of players who take an actual interest in this topic. At least among those who visit these forums. I created the poll knowing the response would likely be relatively small. Sure, there's a risk ZoS will, for that reason, choose to ignore it. But if they are, in fact, willing to put the lie to their assertion that they DO care about the satisfaction of their small roleplaying base and refuse to do the things we request that don't even affect game mechanics and are, in fact, fairly simple to implement, then that let's ME know that this is a company that does not deserve my continued business. Trust me, the poll is working as intended.

Morduil · October 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

The following poll will not have a "leave is exactly as is option" because this poll is designed to help pinpoint the most popular view among those who WOULD like to see changes..

Which means that this whole thing is a waste of time if those who want change are a trivial percentage of the entire playerbase who have a view that it's fine as it is.

Way to skew the result to the way you want it.

I never fail to be surprised by how poorly people understand polls and what they are and what they measure. Thus far a fairly small percentage of players have actually taken the poll. That will let ZoS know the percentage of players who take an actual interest in this topic. At least among those who visit these forums. I created the poll knowing the response would likely be relatively small. Sure, there's a risk ZoS will, for that reason, choose to ignore it. But if they are, in fact, willing to put the lie to their assertion that they DO care about the satisfaction of their small roleplaying base and refuse to do the things we request that don't even affect game mechanics and are, in fact, fairly simple to implement, then that let's ME know that this is a company that does not deserve my continued business. Trust me, the poll is working as intended.

Perhaps, to avoid the inevitable responses criticising the absence of a disagree option to any of your recent polls, you might consider amending the title of their threads.

I haven't criticised the absence of such a button as you do perfectly fairly include the explanation in your post, but it is a bit optimistic to expect people not to react as some have.

After all, to ask the question 'How would you like to hide your vampirism?' without allowing a response "I wouldn't" might not unreasonably be seen as a little asymmetrical.

It might be more wordy, but would a title such as "If you are unhappy with the status quo, how would you like to hide your vampirism?" be less likely to lead to confusion?

Drazhar14 · October 2014

Put on a mask that covers your face. Done.

If you don't want to look undead, then don't become undead.

MornaBaine · October 2014

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Put on a mask that covers your face. Done.

If you don't want to look undead, then don't become undead.

Not a reasonable "solution" of which you are quite aware.

MornaBaine · October 2014

Morduil wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

The following poll will not have a "leave is exactly as is option" because this poll is designed to help pinpoint the most popular view among those who WOULD like to see changes..

Which means that this whole thing is a waste of time if those who want change are a trivial percentage of the entire playerbase who have a view that it's fine as it is.

Way to skew the result to the way you want it.

I never fail to be surprised by how poorly people understand polls and what they are and what they measure. Thus far a fairly small percentage of players have actually taken the poll. That will let ZoS know the percentage of players who take an actual interest in this topic. At least among those who visit these forums. I created the poll knowing the response would likely be relatively small. Sure, there's a risk ZoS will, for that reason, choose to ignore it. But if they are, in fact, willing to put the lie to their assertion that they DO care about the satisfaction of their small roleplaying base and refuse to do the things we request that don't even affect game mechanics and are, in fact, fairly simple to implement, then that let's ME know that this is a company that does not deserve my continued business. Trust me, the poll is working as intended.

Perhaps, to avoid the inevitable responses criticising the absence of a disagree option to any of your recent polls, you might consider amending the title of their threads.

I haven't criticised the absence of such a button as you do perfectly fairly include the explanation in your post, but it is a bit optimistic to expect people not to react as some have.

After all, to ask the question 'How would you like to hide your vampirism?' without allowing a response "I wouldn't" might not unreasonably be seen as a little asymmetrical.

It might be more wordy, but would a title such as "If you are unhappy with the status quo, how would you like to hide your vampirism?" be less likely to lead to confusion?

The title I gave the post perfectly describes the question. If people are a) too lazy or b) too stupid to comprehend basic English there is really nothing I can do about that. It is their problem, not mine. People who do not READ polls have no business answering them in the first place.