How would you like to hide your vampirism?

MornaBaine

So when asked if vampires will ever have the ability to hide their vampiric appearance, Sage's answer is, "I don't know that we're ever going to offer that except through maybe disguises or costumes. But maybe disguises or costumes are the way to go. Part of the reason that is so people can tell who vampires are on the battlefield and, you know, so the populace can tell who the vampire is. So..." and he trails off and ends there.

What was surprising about this was that he didn't seem to have the faintest idea that this is a popular request nor did he seem to be at all aware that many players are not happy with the vampire Stages and feel adjustments need to be made. The following poll will not have a "leave is exactly as is option" because this poll is designed to help pinpoint the most popular view among those who WOULD like to see changes. Please consider the following options with the understanding that NONE of them will work in Cyrodil. This will be the first of 2 related polls.

EDIT to add: The 2nd poll regarding Stages was moved here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/137209/do-the-vampire-stages-need-to-be-altered#latest

The poll question: I would like to be able to change my vampire's appearance by...

GrimMauKin

As a bit of a vampire hunter I've always fancied a Fighters Guild passive that would allow vampires or other undead to be detectable from distance (perhaps by aura colour).

clayandaudrey_ESO

You left off the option to not hide it at all.

AlexDougherty

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

You left off the option to not hide it at all.

Read the OP, Mornabaine does tell you why.

clayandaudrey_ESO

Getting kind of sick of all the "I want to hide my Vampirism" threads that are flooding the forum. I like being a vampire. I stay at stage 4. If the JS means I will be attacked or hunted by players oh well. It was my choice to begin with. This whole concept of hiding vampirism is no different than the hundreds of nerf this / change that threads that are on here. Don't like it? Cure it! Flame away.

Loneshard

A costume or disguise!

And a potion available through Alchemy... would be great to reduce vampire stage!
like a "Blood Drink"
The blood drinking from humanoids annoying after a while!

I think that unfortunately, nothing from that will happen..

AlexDougherty

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Getting kind of sick of all the "I want to hide my Vampirism" threads that are flooding the forum. I like being a vampire. I stay at stage 4. If the JS means I will be attacked or hunted by players oh well. It was my choice to begin with. This whole concept of hiding vampirism is no different than the hundreds of nerf this / change that threads that are on here. Don't like it? Cure it! Flame away.

Calm down, Calm Down.

I evaluate each change this thread, based on what they want changing, some want decent fixes, but others are whining I'll agree.

Not having any Vampires (been there done that in Skyrim) I'm impartial, I literally couldn't care. But If you feel that it shouldn't be hidden, then with a cool clear head, start a thread about why Vampires shouldn't be wanting to hide their status, and get some support for your viewpoint.

It'll more constructive than trying to shoot this thread down, just don't do it as a poll, you want full range of feedback.

kimboh

The only option I would support is a ring, necklace or trinket that you would have to sacrifice a slot to use.

Sykotical

GrimMauKin wrote: »

As a bit of a vampire hunter I've always fancied a Fighters Guild passive that would allow vampires or other undead to be detectable from distance (perhaps by aura colour).

Done. From PTS Patch Notes v1.5:
Evil Hunter: This ability now highlights vampire player characters in Cyrodiil.

As for the poll, you state that the appearance change would Not work in Cyrodiil, so I'm assuming you want this ability either for RPing, in which case I think you should embrace your decision in not taking the cure, or so you can opt out of PVP should the Justice system blindly name your kind criminal (unlikely, unless you take into account all the NPCs you've robbed of precious life blood.)

All options in the poll are viable, even the disguise (ugh) as objects can be enchanted. Preferably, this should be incorporated into the existing feeding mechanics such that a well fed vampire can maintain a more inconspicuous appearance, yet also be punished for harming the citizens of Tamriel should you be caught in the act.

MornaBaine

Son_Raizen wrote: »

GrimMauKin wrote: »

As a bit of a vampire hunter I've always fancied a Fighters Guild passive that would allow vampires or other undead to be detectable from distance (perhaps by aura colour).

Done. From PTS Patch Notes v1.5:
Evil Hunter: This ability now highlights vampire player characters in Cyrodiil.

As for the poll, you state that the appearance change would Not work in Cyrodiil, so I'm assuming you want this ability either for RPing, in which case I think you should embrace your decision in not taking the cure, or so you can opt out of PVP should the Justice system blindly name your kind criminal (unlikely, unless you take into account all the NPCs you've robbed of precious life blood.)

All options in the poll are viable, even the disguise (ugh) as objects can be enchanted. Preferably, this should be incorporated into the existing feeding mechanics such that a well fed vampire can maintain a more inconspicuous appearance, yet also be punished for harming the citizens of Tamriel should you be caught in the act.

I actually make the statement about not working in Cyrodil for a couple of reasons. One, the upcoming change you already mention as I would not want an item that negates that ability so want that understood. The other is that because, for reasons that COMPLETELY ELUDE me Paul Sage seems to have it in his head that it's "important" that ALL players be able to see who the vampires are in Cyrodil and is therefore NEVER going to allow even the possibility that they might be "hidden" during PvP. That being a vampire or werewolf are the ONLY Skill Lines that have to somehow be highlighted is completely ridiculous as far as I am concerned but I am content to leave it alone as I simply don't care to deal with the tantrum-throwing that would ensue should I even APPEAR to suggest that in PvP you should have to figure out who the vamps are by OBSERVING them, just as you have to figure out who the healers are by observing them. Because gosh, I know we wouldn't want choosing your targets to have ANY sort of sense of realism.

I'd also personally be happy with ANY of my proposals above but I would be LEAST happy with Sage's idea of using the costume/disguise slot for this as it would preclude being able to use OTHER costumes/disguises while hiding one's vampiric condition.

MornaBaine

I have to admit I'm a little surprised to see that the passive skill is, for now at least, the most popular. Having it as a passive rather than an active skill that must be on your bar in order to operate would mean that it was permanent. So you would no longer have the option to RETURN to your original vampiric appearance. It's interesting that people actually really want that. I wonder why.

MiyaTheUnbroken

I would prefer if the appearance stayed linked to the stages of vampirism, but I would like the stages to be reworked. It makes no sense for us to have to eat so often. We should be able to maintain stage one by eating 3-4 times a day. I also don't think we should immediately look like corpses. Stage one should be a slight lightening of the skin, and perhaps an eye color change, but no veins, no black circles around the eyes. You should still look like a character that could be created.

In short, so far as appearance is concerned, stage one should be more subtle, and we should not have to feed so often.

MornaBaine

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

I would prefer if the appearance stayed linked to the stages of vampirism, but I would like the stages to be reworked. It makes no sense for us to have to eat so often. We should be able to maintain stage one by eating 3-4 times a day. I also don't think we should immediately look like corpses. Stage one should be a slight lightening of the skin, and perhaps an eye color change, but no veins, no black circles around the eyes.

In short, so far as appearance is concerned, stage one should be more subtle, and we should not have to feed so often.

Please see the other poll I did regarding this very subject.

Romo

voted for costume.. simple bag over your head would work.

MornaBaine

We haz no bag to put over our heads. ZoS denies us even that! LOL

Nox_Aeterna

Either a costume or a passive.

Rosveen

Either a costume or an active.

chipputer

MornaBaine wrote: »

That being a vampire or werewolf are the ONLY Skill Lines that have to somehow be highlighted is completely ridiculous as far as I am concerned

Yes. It's completely ridiculous that fighters trained to hunt and kill Daedra would have a skill that highlights people with Daedric influences in them, such as vampires and werewolves.

sztartureb17_ESO

Vampirism should not be hidden. Period.

GrimMauKin

Vampirism provides a lot of benefits so there's got to be a downside and standing out as being a vampire is probably part of that. To my mind being able to hide vampirism can be quite big deal (certainly in terms of surprising an opponent with an unexpected attack). I'd go for an active skill that would alter appearance and block the Evil Hunter passive for a given period of time; I guess that it would have to increase other vampiristic skills for the duration or add a big 'surprise attack critical or stun' to make sacrificing a skills slot worthwhile.

It might add something to the cat and mouse vampire hunter/vampire scenario; vampire hunters might have to employ stealth to get in close enough to a target to be sure it was a vampire and respond appropriately; if the vampire sees the opponent coming first there's the opportunity for a heightened surprise attack.

Elf_Boy

MornaBaine wrote: »

So when asked if vampires will ever have the ability to hide their vampiric appearance, Sage's answer is, "I don't know that we're ever going to offer that except through maybe disguises or costumes. But maybe disguises or costumes are the way to go. Part of the reason that is so people can tell who vampires are on the battlefield and, you know, so the populace can tell who the vampire is. So..." and he trails off and ends there.

What was surprising about this was that he didn't seem to have the faintest idea that this is a popular request nor did he seem to be at all aware that many players are not happy with the vampire Stages and feel adjustments need to be made. The following poll will not have a "leave is exactly as is option" because this poll is designed to help pinpoint the most popular view among those who WOULD like to see changes. Please consider the following options with the understanding that NONE of them will work in Cyrodil. This will be the first of 2 related polls.

The poll question: I would like to be able to change my vampire's appearance by...

None of the above.

You force all the answers to being a form of hiding. You dis anyone who does not choose to agree with you.

Out and proud is the only answer. And if your not careful you'll be my next blood thrall.

OrangeTheCat

I don't want to hide it. It should not be hidden.

Audigy

The situation as I see it is as follows.

"I want to take all the benefits of being a Vampire but I don't want to face any disadvantages so please don't show anyone that I am a vampire, don't let me get burned in the sunlight..."

To me the situation is clear, people who complain are not a vampires because of the RP aspect but because of the positive skills and they now try to kick out the negative ones as much as possible while not letting serious concerns like the sunlight situation go through.

You always need to ask yourself why should a vampire be a special snowflake and not all the other classes or races? If we start with removing negative aspects of vampirism then who is next? Are the Argonians complaining about their tail that might make them more visible than others since many of them heal? Should light armor wearers be in someway disguised as heavy armor so they are not always the first target ...?


In my opinion, if you play an RPG then pick your class, race or skill line based on your story and not because of abilities that put you ahead of others and you will realize how fun this can be as you finally play something you are actually interested in, including the weaker aspects.


I know that since the Twilight Saga vampires are hot models who win the top 10 "best looks" every year but this isn't how it should be to be honest. Just like Vampires shouldn't be able to walk in the sunlight for hours or in constant need of blood.

ZO made vampirism already a very positive thing in their game, personally I would see vampirism in a much darker and tougher situation, away from the beauty of twilight vampires.

BBSooner

Even if it's not represented in the poll, I vote "no hiding for a stage 3 or 4 vampire". Beyond that, I don't care what a stage 1 or 2 looks like.

MornaBaine

sztartureb17_ESO wrote: »

Vampirism should not be hidden. Period.

Why not? Please present your argument and enumerate your reasons.

MornaBaine

chipputer wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

That being a vampire or werewolf are the ONLY Skill Lines that have to somehow be highlighted is completely ridiculous as far as I am concerned

Yes. It's completely ridiculous that fighters trained to hunt and kill Daedra would have a skill that highlights people with Daedric influences in them, such as vampires and werewolves.

You apparently haven't been paying attention. I have nothing against a specific SKILL that permits hunters to see vampires and werewolves. But I do NOT feel that just anyone should be able to know what they are at a glance. And for werewolves, they DON'T. So what's the logical reason for making an entire skill line inflict hideousness on a character and undo all the work the player has gone to in creating them to look a specific way? This doesn't happen to players who play werewolves.

WraithAzraiel

I like the idea of the trophy type item with an activate while out of combat option.

IE: You have to complete a quest or a public dungeon or something to get access to it. Make it a challenge. No handouts.

Soon as you enter combat, it fades.

DenverRalphy

I've lost track of how many threads the OP has started on this same subject. In addition to his not wanting to look like a Vamp, he also wants the stages gimped as well.

There's actually a very simple solution... Don't like it as it is? Don't become one. Stop campaigning to make becoming a Vamp a trivial decision.

Chrlynsch

MornaBaine wrote: »

chipputer wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

That being a vampire or werewolf are the ONLY Skill Lines that have to somehow be highlighted is completely ridiculous as far as I am concerned

Yes. It's completely ridiculous that fighters trained to hunt and kill Daedra would have a skill that highlights people with Daedric influences in them, such as vampires and werewolves.

You apparently haven't been paying attention. I have nothing against a specific SKILL that permits hunters to see vampires and werewolves. But I do NOT feel that just anyone should be able to know what they are at a glance. And for werewolves, they DON'T. So what's the logical reason for making an entire skill line inflict hideousness on a character and undo all the work the player has gone to in creating them to look a specific way? This doesn't happen to players who play werewolves.

I often mistake a giant, furry, wolf creature for something other then a werewolf all the time. I love being a creature of the night... drawing on the life force of other creatures, Increased stamina and magica, unique abilities, fast sneaking and near vanishing at night, bursting into a cloud of quick or toxic gas and summinging a swarm of killer bats to do my bidding. Love being a monster... but don't want to look like one.

Seriously if you don't want to look like a monster don't be one!!! Or cover your face, you are lucky enough that ZOS picked a strand of vampirism that doesn't burn you alive in the sunlight.

If you like cutting paper you better be ready to take a rock every once and a while.

FYI my main is a vamp...

dan958

Don't be ashamed of who we are - be the blood thirsty monster you were intended to be.

Nebthet78

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I've lost track of how many threads the OP has started on this same subject. In addition to his not wanting to look like a Vamp, he also wants the stages gimped as well.

There's actually a very simple solution... Don't like it as it is? Don't become one. Stop campaigning to make becoming a Vamp a trivial decision.

There is an even simpler one if you are tired of seeing the OP's threads. It's called the Ignore button. I suggest you use it.