Lets Talk About Bat Swarm..... Again

Sanct16 · October 2014

There is a very easy solution to the batswarm problem...

LEARN TO PLAY.

Cody · October 2014

Ghostbane wrote: »

when I first saw that a few weeks back, my first thought actually was batswarm in ESO.

Asgari · October 2014

Dying to bats in this game is like dying to scatter shot. If it happens, its your fault and you deserved it!

MiyaTheUnbroken · October 2014

Just because there is a way around it doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Many of you complain about lag and crashing in pvp, but if you stay out of large scale battles it's not an issue. No one says "learn to play and get the *** out keeps during siege," or "if you're crashing during a 50v50v50 man battle then you deserve to crash." They say "fix this, it's ridiculous."

And in my opinion it's not about how often a person dies to batswarm, it's about what that ultimate is capable of in comparison to other ultimates, which is a lot. It's capable of a lot.

Kevinmon · October 2014

dcincali wrote: »

Yusuf wrote: »

Whatever all the vamp-lovers/haters are saying there is one thing about this skill that's borderline exploit: The Skills you use while in clouding swarm are just as invisible as you.
If this gets fixed i will stop complaining, until then clouding swarm stays as the uninspired bland copy it is. Srsly none of you came up with it, 90% of the people using it have died a lot to it and are just copying it now.

Since when is using a skill and game mechanics as the devs have created them exploits?

since the Night's Silence nerf.

Asgari · October 2014

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

Just because there is a way around it doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Many of you complain about lag and crashing in pvp, but if you stay out of large scale battles it's not an issue. No one says "learn to play and get the *** out keeps during siege," or "if you're crashing during a 50v50v50 man battle then you deserve to crash." They say "fix this, it's ridiculous."

And in my opinion it's not about how often a person dies to batswarm, it's about what that ultimate is capable of in comparison to other ultimates, which is a lot. It's capable of a lot.

You do realize it has equal negatives correct?

There is an entire Skill Line equipped with said negatives to fight Vamps and Werepups.

MiyaTheUnbroken · October 2014

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

Just because there is a way around it doesn't mean it's not a problem.

Many of you complain about lag and crashing in pvp, but if you stay out of large scale battles it's not an issue. No one says "learn to play and get the *** out keeps during siege," or "if you're crashing during a 50v50v50 man battle then you deserve to crash." They say "fix this, it's ridiculous."

And in my opinion it's not about how often a person dies to batswarm, it's about what that ultimate is capable of in comparison to other ultimates, which is a lot. It's capable of a lot.

You do realize it has equal negatives correct?

There is an entire Skill Line equipped with said negatives to fight Vamps and Werepups.

I'm a vampire, so yes, I am aware of the negatives, however I would not call them "equal."

kijima · October 2014

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

Just because there is a way around it doesn't mean it's not a problem.

So, what you are saying essentially is, just because there is a counter to it, there is no solution?

Ermmm.....Interesting.

Stay frosty brother.

yelloweyedemon · October 2014

Oh, look! Once again Vampires are the problem. Who would have thought ZoS!

Monsoon · October 2014

ZOS does not care about PVP... To make changes to this would admit having failed at the initial implementation and would affect PVE and that will not happen. The issue will never be acknowledged by any of the PVP or community people since they do not care or can t do anything at all about it...hence the silence on these forums.

You are wasting your time and your breath if you think that ZOS will do anything about this. A waste of time...such a shame

Monsoon · October 2014

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Dying to bats in this game is like dying to scatter shot. If it happens, its your fault and you deserved it!

Correction: you never die of just bats, you die of impulse+streak+firerings+invisible bats+zerg+lag and THAT is not the player's fault but ZOS

Koensol · October 2014

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Dying to bats in this game is like dying to scatter shot. If it happens, its your fault and you deserved it!

You could say that about any skill.. what a stupid analogy. But yet again, no one is reacting on the fact that Batswarm is too cheap for its awsomeness and completeness and the fact you can run and root snare all you come across. I made a complete post about it on the previous page, but people rather reply with kneejerk reactions on other stuff.

EDIT: Also, being able to use anti-vamp skills such as silver bolts doesn't change the nature of batswarm. It's an invalid reason. We are not complaining about Vamps, but about a specific ability.

Koensol · October 2014

delete

Nicko_Lps · October 2014

We wont discuss aacain about vamp.. Ssdd
If its OP you can do it as well i vot nothing more to add

Baphomet · October 2014

Apply the WW ultimate logic to batswarm as well and we have a universal fix, I believe. Make it so that a bat swarmer can't use any other abilities while swarming.

eliisra · October 2014

I sometimes have 1-1.5k+ Clouding Swarm on my death recap, while I didn't see a damn thing. It could really use a clearer animation.

But the issue isn't the bat ulti, there's like 100 different ways to instagibb a vamp. Using the vampire skill line comes with enough penalties.

Issue is poor performance and visibility in large battles. Skills being spammed on top of each other makes lag, delay and poor visual quality. Some skills like Clouding Swarm, with a more timid animation, can cause you unnecessary damage. Because yeah, you can't see the frickin' thing. You will notice incoming ticks on the combat log, before you see actual bats flying around.

Nicko_Lps · October 2014

eliisra wrote: »

I sometimes have 1-1.5k+ Clouding Swarm on my death recap, while I didn't see a damn thing. It could really use a clearer animation.

But the issue isn't the bat ulti, there's like 100 different ways to instagibb a vamp. Using the vampire skill line comes with enough penalties.

Issue is poor performance and visibility in large battles. Skills being spammed on top of each other makes lag, delay and poor visual quality. Some skills like Clouding Swarm, with a more timid animation, can cause you unnecessary damage. Because yeah, you can't see the frickin' thing. You will notice incoming ticks on the combat log, before you see actual bats flying around.

Today i saw 1100 from wall of elements ability of destruction staff and if you saw 1.5k from an ultimate that i supp is ok Btw i have 2180 or 2280 spell resistance. As for bat swarm as i said before if you find it OP you can get it, but some OP skills other classes have my dk cant have.

Now if people want to cry out loud because they dont wanna be vampire because they afraid of fire and it makes their players look ugly(lol but yes,heard so) we are sorry. Game cant be adjusted to some people builds and tastes for 100% crying customer satisfaction .

umagon · October 2014

I have been experimenting with a leech healer/buffer build; and I found that stacking ring of preservation along with combat prayer tends to help with swarm spammers. That isn't saying one would be able to solo three or four people using swarm at the same against them. But it does lower the ticking damage down enough to out heal the damage and make it null.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Ghostbane wrote: »

WTB this skill!

This is what bats should be!

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

If bats is OP, then so is the following:

Streak
Soul Tether
Soul Harvest
Snipe (either morph)
Take Flight
Sheild Stacking (How many can you stack?)
Fire Ring
Impulse
Venom Arrow
Crystal Fragments
Talons
Flame Lash
Veil of Blades
Annulment
Immoveable
Heavy Armour (lols)

Basically, any good skill that is useable in Cyrodiil is OP. At least that's how I read things when visiting the forum.

It's a L2P problem not an OP one.

While many of those things you listed have issues and could use balnacing none of them still compare to Bat swarm. When you see every class use batswarm over their class ultimates that means there is a problem. There are times when you will see 10 bat swarms used in less than a minute on the battle field.

You can break down all the strengths of Ultimates like AOE, Damage, moveable and so on and situations when to use them. The problem with batswarms is it has all teh strengths and on top of that it has invisibibility. Why use any other ultimate when batswarm is better in every way and for every situation? See the problem...?

Err I'm a vampire NB. I use Soul Tether, Soul Harvest and Soul Assault FAR more often than I use Bats.

The majority of people you see using bats are either Sorc's or DK's.

It only has invisibility if you morph it into Clouding Swarm, at which point you drop a targetted AoE on the center of the swarm and call it a day.

Bats is only devastatingly effective when there are multiple Swarms running at once.

If I had a nickel for every time I died in the middle of trying to use my Devouring Swarm, I'd be set for life. Why is this you ask? Because I need to L2P, I'm Bats'ing wrong?
Nope, it's because I'm not running with 10-15 other players also using bats while spamming Impulse or Healing Springs.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Oh, look! Once again Vampires are the problem. Who would have thought ZoS!

First off, outstanding Supernatural reference.

Secondly, Vampire is not the problem - it's the tool being utilized by broken builds with broken amounts of Ultimate generation.

Broken Ultimate generation allows for the spamming of Ultimates. Seeing as Bat Swarm is the cheapest Ultimate for the most reward, it's used.

If another Ultimate were just as cheap and did just as much, it would be used instead.

See where I'm going with this?

Nicko_Lps · October 2014

Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny

Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.

Keep crying they listen.

Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.

Bramir · October 2014

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny

Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.

Keep crying they listen.

Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.

Can't wait for you and all the other aoe spamming vamps to have to actually l2p. Going to be good times...

Psilent · October 2014

Last night on Haderus there was an AD player that kept running up to the Kingscrest LM spamming bats. You'd hear in TS people saying it's the bat guy again, range him down. Was my first experience with bat swarm, no one uses it on the non-vet campaign, well, hardly uses it. Seemed simple enough to counter, just move away from the player. I can see how it can be annoying in close keep quarters though.

Huntler · October 2014

Psilent wrote: »

Last night on Haderus there was an AD player that kept running up to the Kingscrest LM spamming bats. You'd hear in TS people saying it's the bat guy again, range him down. Was my first experience with bat swarm, no one uses it on the non-vet campaign, well, hardly uses it. Seemed simple enough to counter, just move away from the player. I can see how it can be annoying in close keep quarters though.

teehee

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · October 2014

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Very low ultimate cost, Its basically always ready to use and when you kill with it, it makes it available to use again.

That 'always up' part is imo more generic issue caused by possibility to accumulate ultipoints beforehand, artifically and at high rate, usually (but not only) by spamming AoE heals in the middle of a blob, rather than gradually through actual combat.

I think they should change impenetrable to include resistance ALL crits. No damage or heal crits. That will help balance things and have an actual drawback for impen. Also won't get insanely high ult gain from group heals. I don't see any reason crit resistance should not apply to friendly casts.

Nicko_Lps · October 2014

Bramir wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny

Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.

Keep crying they listen.

Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.

Can't wait for you and all the other aoe spamming vamps to have to actually l2p. Going to be good times...

Yes dude we should single target a zerg,not aoe spam what a great idea.. Never thiught of that.

As for me i never use bats and destro aoe noobness. I stick with sword and shield and have bats clearly for survivabity and only.

Keep crying next nerf is going to be probably -100 health each tick. Doing well.

Also ZoS dont forget us, the DKs.. We wont get a nerf too? So dissapointed...

Makkir · October 2014

Bramir · October 2014

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny

Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.

Keep crying they listen.

Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.

Can't wait for you and all the other aoe spamming vamps to have to actually l2p. Going to be good times...

Yes dude we should single target a zerg,not aoe spam what a great idea.. Never thiught of that.

As for me i never use bats and destro aoe noobness. I stick with sword and shield and have bats clearly for survivabity and only.

Keep crying next nerf is going to be probably -100 health each tick. Doing well.

Also ZoS dont forget us, the DKs.. We wont get a nerf too? So dissapointed...

You shouldn't feel like you can jump into a zerg by yourself in a non-tank build in the first place, and have any chance of doing anything but exploding. And if you are in a tank build, you shouldn't have much chance of killing anyone. RIght now vamps have both when played like this. If you don't use it like this, more power to you, but it happens over and over, every day in Cyrodil, and its stupid.

Braidas · October 2014

Bramir wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Because crybabies like you my dear friend keep crying for a skill that they suppose to be OP and they can have it but still THEY DONT TAKE THE OP skill.. How the heck is this happening.. Its OP you complain you can have it and still dont take it...
I know.. Your character wont look very shiny

Now the bat swarm health absorb is getting nerfed by 30%.

Keep crying they listen.

Also its time for another DK nerf,DKs and swarms are the nerf subjects, all the other classes are buffed along with lag and crashes.

Can't wait for you and all the other aoe spamming vamps to have to actually l2p. Going to be good times...

Yes dude we should single target a zerg,not aoe spam what a great idea.. Never thiught of that.

As for me i never use bats and destro aoe noobness. I stick with sword and shield and have bats clearly for survivabity and only.

Keep crying next nerf is going to be probably -100 health each tick. Doing well.

Also ZoS dont forget us, the DKs.. We wont get a nerf too? So dissapointed...

You shouldn't feel like you can jump into a zerg by yourself in a non-tank build in the first place, and have any chance of doing anything but exploding. And if you are in a tank build, you shouldn't have much chance of killing anyone. RIght now vamps have both when played like this. If you don't use it like this, more power to you, but it happens over and over, every day in Cyrodil, and its stupid.

If u die to it, it's ur own stupid fault. A good vamp tank can jump into a zerg of bad players and get some kills, but anyone of minor intelligence should be able to stop him. I thought zos was done nerfing things people refused to learn to play around, but I guess not