Singular wrote: »

SootyTX wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

Hiply wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.

"If there's no way to enhance my ability to pay attention to what I was doing, my designer needs to add one. Otherwise, I am a ridiculously stupid design and my designer should feel bad."

ftfy

Come on, seriously? One feeding...that was your error...causes this much angst in you?

Nah, it turns out I didn't make an error. You just get horse points in capacity when your horse caps - I didn't realize this, but people pointed it out to me here.

But there should be a horse respec for people who make mistakes. It is bad design to not include it - because people are going to make mistakes and, if they do so closer to horse level cap, they will have wasted a lot of time.

A 1 point difference in any of those stats will not change the horse enough to be considered a "waste of time."

I'm cursed with being a perfectionist. That one point would bother me to no end.

The real question is why do you care so badly about my horse that you want to restrict my gameplay?

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

I can't believe some of the responses here. How can you be against the option of a horse respec due to "realism" but also be totally fine with the fact that all you have to do is feed your horse a specific item daily to train it?

As someone who spends a lot of time around horses, I can assure you, giving him/her an apple everyday will NOT increase speed.

I personally see nothing wrong with a respec option. It doesn't have to be "unfeeding". It can be a re train or even a "horse swap" with another stable. Whatever it is, it's not any more unrealistic than the method we use to improve our horses now. But, everyone seems fine with that. Why? Because its completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things of this game.

Totally. Well said.

Because the hours/days/weeks of developer time taken to create this 'feature' would remove resources from things that actually make a difference in the game.

This doesn't. Not one teeny tiny iota. That 1 missed feeding (which it turns out didn't even happen) has orders of magnitude less impact than a small amount of lag, or being unable to mount due to still being in combat for excessive amounts of time....hell, it has less impact than adjusting your riding line slightly to avoid a small rock.

But no, you guys want to use valuable, finite, resources to create a totally unnecessary new system, test it, hopefully not introduce bugs in anything else (like deleting things in your inventory if you 'respec' your horse from capacity to speed). All for something which is completely avoidable with a smallest modicum of attention.

...../facepalm

Oh, I'm completely sure that adding the existing system of redoing skills to horses would take away the ability of devs to completely fix lag. I'm sure that they're entirely comparable in terms of developer time.

Yup, it's either an option with horses or removing lag for the entire game. Well, let's go with lag. They can get around to horses whenever. So...what, a week? they can pencil that in right after lag?

Well hell, since it's that easy...why don't you go ahead and code it for them?

Hiply wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

SootyTX wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

Hiply wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.

"If there's no way to enhance my ability to pay attention to what I was doing, my designer needs to add one. Otherwise, I am a ridiculously stupid design and my designer should feel bad."

ftfy

Come on, seriously? One feeding...that was your error...causes this much angst in you?

Nah, it turns out I didn't make an error. You just get horse points in capacity when your horse caps - I didn't realize this, but people pointed it out to me here.

But there should be a horse respec for people who make mistakes. It is bad design to not include it - because people are going to make mistakes and, if they do so closer to horse level cap, they will have wasted a lot of time.

A 1 point difference in any of those stats will not change the horse enough to be considered a "waste of time."

I'm cursed with being a perfectionist. That one point would bother me to no end.

The real question is why do you care so badly about my horse that you want to restrict my gameplay?

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

I can't believe some of the responses here. How can you be against the option of a horse respec due to "realism" but also be totally fine with the fact that all you have to do is feed your horse a specific item daily to train it?

As someone who spends a lot of time around horses, I can assure you, giving him/her an apple everyday will NOT increase speed.

I personally see nothing wrong with a respec option. It doesn't have to be "unfeeding". It can be a re train or even a "horse swap" with another stable. Whatever it is, it's not any more unrealistic than the method we use to improve our horses now. But, everyone seems fine with that. Why? Because its completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things of this game.

Totally. Well said.

Because the hours/days/weeks of developer time taken to create this 'feature' would remove resources from things that actually make a difference in the game.

This doesn't. Not one teeny tiny iota. That 1 missed feeding (which it turns out didn't even happen) has orders of magnitude less impact than a small amount of lag, or being unable to mount due to still being in combat for excessive amounts of time....hell, it has less impact than adjusting your riding line slightly to avoid a small rock.

But no, you guys want to use valuable, finite, resources to create a totally unnecessary new system, test it, hopefully not introduce bugs in anything else (like deleting things in your inventory if you 'respec' your horse from capacity to speed). All for something which is completely avoidable with a smallest modicum of attention.

...../facepalm

Oh, I'm completely sure that adding the existing system of redoing skills to horses would take away the ability of devs to completely fix lag. I'm sure that they're entirely comparable in terms of developer time.

Yup, it's either an option with horses or removing lag for the entire game. Well, let's go with lag. They can get around to horses whenever. So...what, a week? they can pencil that in right after lag?

Well hell, since it's that easy...why don't you go ahead and code it for them?

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

SootyTX wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

Hiply wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.

"If there's no way to enhance my ability to pay attention to what I was doing, my designer needs to add one. Otherwise, I am a ridiculously stupid design and my designer should feel bad."

ftfy

Come on, seriously? One feeding...that was your error...causes this much angst in you?

Nah, it turns out I didn't make an error. You just get horse points in capacity when your horse caps - I didn't realize this, but people pointed it out to me here.

But there should be a horse respec for people who make mistakes. It is bad design to not include it - because people are going to make mistakes and, if they do so closer to horse level cap, they will have wasted a lot of time.

A 1 point difference in any of those stats will not change the horse enough to be considered a "waste of time."

I'm cursed with being a perfectionist. That one point would bother me to no end.

The real question is why do you care so badly about my horse that you want to restrict my gameplay?

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

I can't believe some of the responses here. How can you be against the option of a horse respec due to "realism" but also be totally fine with the fact that all you have to do is feed your horse a specific item daily to train it?

As someone who spends a lot of time around horses, I can assure you, giving him/her an apple everyday will NOT increase speed.

I personally see nothing wrong with a respec option. It doesn't have to be "unfeeding". It can be a re train or even a "horse swap" with another stable. Whatever it is, it's not any more unrealistic than the method we use to improve our horses now. But, everyone seems fine with that. Why? Because its completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things of this game.

Totally. Well said.

Because the hours/days/weeks of developer time taken to create this 'feature' would remove resources from things that actually make a difference in the game.

This doesn't. Not one teeny tiny iota. That 1 missed feeding (which it turns out didn't even happen) has orders of magnitude less impact than a small amount of lag, or being unable to mount due to still being in combat for excessive amounts of time....hell, it has less impact than adjusting your riding line slightly to avoid a small rock.

But no, you guys want to use valuable, finite, resources to create a totally unnecessary new system, test it, hopefully not introduce bugs in anything else (like deleting things in your inventory if you 'respec' your horse from capacity to speed). All for something which is completely avoidable with a smallest modicum of attention.

...../facepalm

Oh, I'm completely sure that adding the existing system of redoing skills to horses would take away the ability of devs to completely fix lag. I'm sure that they're entirely comparable in terms of developer time.

Yup, it's either an option with horses or removing lag for the entire game. Well, let's go with lag. They can get around to horses whenever. So...what, a week? they can pencil that in right after lag?

I don't think you understand lag, or programming.
Either that or you don't understand time.

I don't understand programming in the slightest. Of all the people on the entire planet, next to those who are illiterate, and those who've never heard the word "computer," I'm the last person you'd want touching your computer files. Programs. Things. Stuff with words. Compiling!

I don't think you guys understand people. I really don't. If you're arguing for a system that doesn't allow for human error, you're probably an engineer, a quality control person, or someone who is very, very cautious. That's not the rest of us.

But whatever, it's all good. This is what I think:

1. Yes, programming time should be spent on making the game better, and fun. Horses are definitely secondary. Or tertiary. Or...whatever comes waaaaaaaaay after that.

2. Yes, making an error free horse, like everything else players invest lots of time in (what, 50 days for the horse?) should be important. Players shouldn't have choices that permanently weaken them (I'm looking at you Mage's guild quest!).

3. And, we shouldn't blame players for making mistakes when game mechanics do not allow for human error. So all posters who, in whatever thread, blame the poster for making human mistakes, grow up.

4. This thread needs to die. Dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

5. But whatever, I'm pretty insecure and will continue to answer comments Send them. I have an infinite number of answers that carefully guard against my insecurities.

For. This. Is. The. Internet!

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

I don't think you guys understand people. I really don't. If you're arguing for a system that doesn't allow for human error, you're probably an engineer, a quality control person, or someone who is very, very cautious. That's not the rest of us.

I'm not arguing that the system is error free, what I said was that the difference for one or two misfeedings are very minor. I will probably make a mistake or three with feeding horses, I will just live with it.

But yes the whole matter is rather a minor issue.

Ok,

1. You made fun of people who make mistakes by alluding that they are idiots, and, if a better system could be designed, we'd make better idiots.

2. I mentioned above that I'm a perfectionist. Those little mistakes drive me crazy. And I'm already not standing on stable ground, as you can see.

And, yes, the whole matter is a rather minor issue. And I was sincerely wondering, at the beginning of this thread, whether we could actually reverse feedings. You'd think that would have been an automatic, programmed in feature, since they included it elsewhere. And the whole thing doesn't matter to me whatsoever, since I happen to be one of those fortunate individuals who hasn't made a mistake - but we both know that someone, some poor, miserable perfectionist has made just that mistake and now rides a crappy horse (in their mind) while they level up a better horse.

Anyways, who cares? I wish the devs would make the game so compelling we wouldn't waste our time here, except when we're on the toilet.

SecuFox wrote: »

What if Zenimax fixes the infinite stamina / sprint bug for horses, so feeding Hay might actually be useful?

For just that reason it would already be good to have a respec option.

see below

Singular wrote: »

GrimGryphon wrote: »

Hiply wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

add a confirmation message to it stating feed [this food] to [horse name here] and bam, done. /thread

Look at what you're about to click on and bam, done. /thread

@dsalter @Hiply‌

It's a good idea but it won't help.

"Make it idiot proof and someone will create a better idiot." -Anonymous

Yes. You guys are all perfect and never make mistakes. Quick! Attack the people who suggest minor quality of life fixes. Come up with silly "but gosh, unfeeding horses doesn't make sense" arguments for this fantasy game.

Well, at least I can figure out what to feed my horse.

Sev wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I also disagree with allowing skill respecs, but I understand that I'm in the minority there.

However, when we gain skills, we aren't eating food. The notion of "respeccing" a horse by systematically starving them and then forcing them to binge eat one specific thing is ridiculous.

The notion of permanently increasing horse speed by feeding them a bucket of apples is likewise ridiculous. You can't appeal to realism when there is none to start with.

I agree with this. Elder Scrolls Online is a GAME: if you want realism, go outside.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.

Yes, it's "ridiculously stupid" that they don't let you unfeed a horse. Because we all know that in real life, you just whisper in its ear about how pretty it looked before it got fat, and the horse just throws that food right back up.

You had three buttons to click. Three. You clicked one without thinking about it. Now you're blaming the designers for that?

You are comparing real life with a fantasy game, oh the irony... I think you dont even know what the 1st one is.
Also as some1 else already said feeding your horse apples everyday wont make it faster in real life lol.
We need a horse respec option for us and for the economy (gold sink). I think the more option we have the better. If you dont want it dont use it. Stop being so close minded.

I realize that this is a necrobumped thread, but for those finding it now, there is at least this:

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info644-HarvensHorseFeedConfirmation.html

Just adds an "Are you sure?" box to the Horse Feeding options. Certainly can't completely prevent a wrong feeding, but it's at least something until ZOS realizes that they need to let us respec horses just like we can respec ourselves.

IRL There is no "undo"

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Adramelach wrote: »

Good thing the rest of the game sticks as close to real life as possible, through the spells I actually use on a day-to-day basis to defeat demons and necromancers in my neighborhood aren't exactly the same as my sorcerer in ESO, but close enough that I can overlook that particular unrealistic detail.

I love when this argument comes up, because it's always ridiculous.

Yes, there is magic in the Elder Scrolls universe. Well spotted. And yes, it's a fantasy world. However, the series has always maintained a more realistic feel/aesthetic compared to other fantasy games. The world of Tamriel has a ruleset that happens to include the regular use of magic. It has not, to date, included a spell to "unfeed" something or someone.

Actually you could respec in Skyrim by talking to someone.

Adramelach wrote: »

Good thing the rest of the game sticks as close to real life as possible, though the spells I actually use on a day-to-day basis to defeat demons and necromancers in my neighborhood aren't exactly the same as my sorcerer in ESO, but close enough that I can overlook that particular unrealistic detail.

It took a few months, but my neighborhood is now demon free.
To make ends meet, and keep my Invigorated Ice Mocha habit going, I use my Dragon Leap to make surprise appearances at children's birthday parties. The look on those kids' faces when they fly back 6 feet is priceless... I mean, kids are invulnerable anyway.

Too many pages to read...It would not break immersion to "retrain" a horse. You can "train" your horse over time. A full respec wouldn't be fun but once max level you should be able to continue feeding a different food and (move the stats) retrain with the oats or apple or you get the day.

ZOS should approve this money sink.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

You realise your horsey needs food regularly?

And we all stop feeding them at L50......















Actually, we can't feed them once they are L50 even if we wanted to.