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Ok, how do I undo feeding my horse?
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Evergnar✭✭✭✭✭
✭I feel for ya OP but one bad feeding won't make or break your horses. They'll be fine.0 -
Hiply✭✭✭If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.
"If there's no way to enhance my ability to pay attention to what I was doing, my designer needs to add one. Otherwise, I am a ridiculously stupid design and my designer should feel bad."
ftfy
Come on, seriously? One feeding...that was your error...causes this much angst in you?Edited by Hiply on June 20, 2014 1:24PM1 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
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Except it doesn't work this way in the game. You can still pick up a sword and use it, you just fight like a novice despite years of training. You can still ride a bike. The problem is that yesterday you could do bike tricks that amazed your friends and today the most you can do is ride in a straight line. Tell me, why did you forget all these cool bike tricks overnight?GrimGryphon wrote: »Adramelach wrote: »Guys, it's not "unfeeding" any more than doing a respec on your character is "unlearning" which should be equally ridiculous. I cannot believe how people are intransigent on this one, particular issue, when, as it's been pointed out several times, there are glaring and fantastic breaches of "reality" and even "logic" at a fundamental level all throughout the game. I mean, come on - show a little consistency here. If you were to rank all the "unrealistic" things that are possible and routine in this game, I doubt this particular thing would make the top 10, or perhaps even the top 20.
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You absolutely defined the issue here.
No he didn't. You don't unlearn any skills in the game, you just re-adjust your points to identify what skills you have access to. If you decide later to put points back in those skills, your progression is right back to where it was. You don't have to start over.
If I don't own a bicycle, does that mean I no longer have the skill to ride a bike? No. When I own a bike again (put points back into it in the ESO model), then I can pick up right where I left off. Same in ESO.
All Zen is telling you is that you can't focus on many things at once. Same in real life. People who say they know about a lot of things rarely know much about anything. Breadth vs. depth. I think Zen has done a reasonably good job of translating that "realistic" principle into a game mechanic.1 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭
Except it doesn't work this way in the game. You can still pick up a sword and use it, you just fight like a novice despite years of training. You can still ride a bike. The problem is that yesterday you could do bike tricks that amazed your friends and today the most you can do is ride in a straight line. Tell me, why did you forget all these cool bike tricks overnight?GrimGryphon wrote: »Adramelach wrote: »Guys, it's not "unfeeding" any more than doing a respec on your character is "unlearning" which should be equally ridiculous. I cannot believe how people are intransigent on this one, particular issue, when, as it's been pointed out several times, there are glaring and fantastic breaches of "reality" and even "logic" at a fundamental level all throughout the game. I mean, come on - show a little consistency here. If you were to rank all the "unrealistic" things that are possible and routine in this game, I doubt this particular thing would make the top 10, or perhaps even the top 20.
/thread
You absolutely defined the issue here.
No he didn't. You don't unlearn any skills in the game, you just re-adjust your points to identify what skills you have access to. If you decide later to put points back in those skills, your progression is right back to where it was. You don't have to start over.
If I don't own a bicycle, does that mean I no longer have the skill to ride a bike? No. When I own a bike again (put points back into it in the ESO model), then I can pick up right where I left off. Same in ESO.
All Zen is telling you is that you can't focus on many things at once. Same in real life. People who say they know about a lot of things rarely know much about anything. Breadth vs. depth. I think Zen has done a reasonably good job of translating that "realistic" principle into a game mechanic.
Look, we can rat-hole all day on this and not change each other's minds.
I get the skill re-spec. Skills are more complex and you need time to adjust to play the way you want and get the effect you want.
But horses? Oats, apples, and hay. That's all you need to know. The tooltips are very clear about what happens when you put points in them. The only reason to get it wrong is due to inattention, laziness, or the off-chance that you're illiterate.
I'd give you a do-over if you're illiterate. The others are just stupidity and no game should reward you for that. Ever.
"The Illuminati are very achievement focused. It's like Xbox - only everything is hardcore."
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
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Except it doesn't work this way in the game. You can still pick up a sword and use it, you just fight like a novice despite years of training. You can still ride a bike. The problem is that yesterday you could do bike tricks that amazed your friends and today the most you can do is ride in a straight line. Tell me, why did you forget all these cool bike tricks overnight?GrimGryphon wrote: »Adramelach wrote: »Guys, it's not "unfeeding" any more than doing a respec on your character is "unlearning" which should be equally ridiculous. I cannot believe how people are intransigent on this one, particular issue, when, as it's been pointed out several times, there are glaring and fantastic breaches of "reality" and even "logic" at a fundamental level all throughout the game. I mean, come on - show a little consistency here. If you were to rank all the "unrealistic" things that are possible and routine in this game, I doubt this particular thing would make the top 10, or perhaps even the top 20.
/thread
You absolutely defined the issue here.
No he didn't. You don't unlearn any skills in the game, you just re-adjust your points to identify what skills you have access to. If you decide later to put points back in those skills, your progression is right back to where it was. You don't have to start over.
If I don't own a bicycle, does that mean I no longer have the skill to ride a bike? No. When I own a bike again (put points back into it in the ESO model), then I can pick up right where I left off. Same in ESO.
All Zen is telling you is that you can't focus on many things at once. Same in real life. People who say they know about a lot of things rarely know much about anything. Breadth vs. depth. I think Zen has done a reasonably good job of translating that "realistic" principle into a game mechanic.
No years ago I tried to learn bike tricks, and discovered I'm pants at them. Today I'm still pants at them, and while my muscles would need retraining my bike skills are as good or as bad as ever.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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Singular✭✭✭✭If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.
"If there's no way to enhance my ability to pay attention to what I was doing, my designer needs to add one. Otherwise, I am a ridiculously stupid design and my designer should feel bad."
ftfy
Come on, seriously? One feeding...that was your error...causes this much angst in you?
Nah, it turns out I didn't make an error. You just get horse points in capacity when your horse caps - I didn't realize this, but people pointed it out to me here.
But there should be a horse respec for people who make mistakes. It is bad design to not include it - because people are going to make mistakes and, if they do so closer to horse level cap, they will have wasted a lot of time.War, give me war, give me war.0 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nah, it turns out I didn't make an error. You just get horse points in capacity when your horse caps - I didn't realize this, but people pointed it out to me here.
But there should be a horse respec for people who make mistakes. It is bad design to not include it - because people are going to make mistakes and, if they do so closer to horse level cap, they will have wasted a lot of time.
For a few feedings, if you make three or four wrong feedings, it won't make a huge difference. Whether you go for speed, stamina or storage, the differences for a few misfeeedings is minor.
I've experimented on my first horse to see what the differences were, and those two feedings in the wrong stats I really couldn't care about.Edited by AlexDougherty on June 20, 2014 2:01PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule1 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.
"If there's no way to enhance my ability to pay attention to what I was doing, my designer needs to add one. Otherwise, I am a ridiculously stupid design and my designer should feel bad."
ftfy
Come on, seriously? One feeding...that was your error...causes this much angst in you?
Nah, it turns out I didn't make an error. You just get horse points in capacity when your horse caps - I didn't realize this, but people pointed it out to me here.
But there should be a horse respec for people who make mistakes. It is bad design to not include it - because people are going to make mistakes and, if they do so closer to horse level cap, they will have wasted a lot of time.
A 1 point difference in any of those stats will not change the horse enough to be considered a "waste of time."----
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Wicked_Wolf✭✭✭✭I can't believe some of the responses here. How can you be against the option of a horse respec due to "realism" but also be totally fine with the fact that all you have to do is feed your horse a specific item daily to train it?
As someone who spends a lot of time around horses, I can assure you, giving him/her an apple everyday will NOT increase speed.
I personally see nothing wrong with a respec option. It doesn't have to be "unfeeding". It can be a re train or even a "horse swap" with another stable. Whatever it is, it's not any more unrealistic than the method we use to improve our horses now. But, everyone seems fine with that. Why? Because its completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things of this game.4 -
Hiply✭✭✭Wicked_Wolf wrote: »I can't believe some of the responses here. How can you be against the option of a horse respec due to "realism" but also be totally fine with the fact that all you have to do is feed your horse a specific item daily to train it?
As someone who spends a lot of time around horses, I can assure you, giving him/her an apple everyday will NOT increase speed.
I personally see nothing wrong with a respec option. It doesn't have to be "unfeeding". It can be a re train or even a "horse swap" with another stable. Whatever it is, it's not any more unrealistic than the method we use to improve our horses now. But, everyone seems fine with that. Why? Because its completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things of this game.
I think you'll find most of the opposition to be of the "There are serious issues with things that are broken in this game, this isn't one of them." variety. When the game is functionally to the point where this is on the major concerns list then fine, change it...until then let's not waste cycles on it.1 -
Singular✭✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »
Except it doesn't work this way in the game. You can still pick up a sword and use it, you just fight like a novice despite years of training. You can still ride a bike. The problem is that yesterday you could do bike tricks that amazed your friends and today the most you can do is ride in a straight line. Tell me, why did you forget all these cool bike tricks overnight?GrimGryphon wrote: »Adramelach wrote: »Guys, it's not "unfeeding" any more than doing a respec on your character is "unlearning" which should be equally ridiculous. I cannot believe how people are intransigent on this one, particular issue, when, as it's been pointed out several times, there are glaring and fantastic breaches of "reality" and even "logic" at a fundamental level all throughout the game. I mean, come on - show a little consistency here. If you were to rank all the "unrealistic" things that are possible and routine in this game, I doubt this particular thing would make the top 10, or perhaps even the top 20.
/thread
You absolutely defined the issue here.
No he didn't. You don't unlearn any skills in the game, you just re-adjust your points to identify what skills you have access to. If you decide later to put points back in those skills, your progression is right back to where it was. You don't have to start over.
If I don't own a bicycle, does that mean I no longer have the skill to ride a bike? No. When I own a bike again (put points back into it in the ESO model), then I can pick up right where I left off. Same in ESO.
All Zen is telling you is that you can't focus on many things at once. Same in real life. People who say they know about a lot of things rarely know much about anything. Breadth vs. depth. I think Zen has done a reasonably good job of translating that "realistic" principle into a game mechanic.
No years ago I tried to learn bike tricks, and discovered I'm pants at them. Today I'm still pants at them, and while my muscles would need retraining my bike skills are as good or as bad as ever.
The problem is, you didn't spend enough skill points in them.War, give me war, give me war.1 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »
Except it doesn't work this way in the game. You can still pick up a sword and use it, you just fight like a novice despite years of training. You can still ride a bike. The problem is that yesterday you could do bike tricks that amazed your friends and today the most you can do is ride in a straight line. Tell me, why did you forget all these cool bike tricks overnight?GrimGryphon wrote: »Adramelach wrote: »Guys, it's not "unfeeding" any more than doing a respec on your character is "unlearning" which should be equally ridiculous. I cannot believe how people are intransigent on this one, particular issue, when, as it's been pointed out several times, there are glaring and fantastic breaches of "reality" and even "logic" at a fundamental level all throughout the game. I mean, come on - show a little consistency here. If you were to rank all the "unrealistic" things that are possible and routine in this game, I doubt this particular thing would make the top 10, or perhaps even the top 20.
/thread
You absolutely defined the issue here.
No he didn't. You don't unlearn any skills in the game, you just re-adjust your points to identify what skills you have access to. If you decide later to put points back in those skills, your progression is right back to where it was. You don't have to start over.
If I don't own a bicycle, does that mean I no longer have the skill to ride a bike? No. When I own a bike again (put points back into it in the ESO model), then I can pick up right where I left off. Same in ESO.
All Zen is telling you is that you can't focus on many things at once. Same in real life. People who say they know about a lot of things rarely know much about anything. Breadth vs. depth. I think Zen has done a reasonably good job of translating that "realistic" principle into a game mechanic.
No years ago I tried to learn bike tricks, and discovered I'm pants at them. Today I'm still pants at them, and while my muscles would need retraining my bike skills are as good or as bad as ever.
The problem is, you didn't spend enough skill points in them.
When I were a lad, we didn't have no fancy skill points.
And that hill were bleeding steep for just a loaf of bread.
(last line is a referance to old "Hovis" adverts in Britain)Edited by AlexDougherty on June 20, 2014 3:07PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule0 -
Singular✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.
"If there's no way to enhance my ability to pay attention to what I was doing, my designer needs to add one. Otherwise, I am a ridiculously stupid design and my designer should feel bad."
ftfy
Come on, seriously? One feeding...that was your error...causes this much angst in you?
Nah, it turns out I didn't make an error. You just get horse points in capacity when your horse caps - I didn't realize this, but people pointed it out to me here.
But there should be a horse respec for people who make mistakes. It is bad design to not include it - because people are going to make mistakes and, if they do so closer to horse level cap, they will have wasted a lot of time.
A 1 point difference in any of those stats will not change the horse enough to be considered a "waste of time."
I'm cursed with being a perfectionist. That one point would bother me to no end.
The real question is why do you care so badly about my horse that you want to restrict my gameplay?Wicked_Wolf wrote: »I can't believe some of the responses here. How can you be against the option of a horse respec due to "realism" but also be totally fine with the fact that all you have to do is feed your horse a specific item daily to train it?
As someone who spends a lot of time around horses, I can assure you, giving him/her an apple everyday will NOT increase speed.
I personally see nothing wrong with a respec option. It doesn't have to be "unfeeding". It can be a re train or even a "horse swap" with another stable. Whatever it is, it's not any more unrealistic than the method we use to improve our horses now. But, everyone seems fine with that. Why? Because its completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things of this game.
Totally. Well said.War, give me war, give me war.1 -
Razour✭✭✭Thank you for this thread - it's brightened up my day no end.
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lecarcajou_ESO✭✭✭✭I can't believe this thread is still active, but while it is... how about instead of "unfeeding" your horse, you feed it other things to undo the effects of what you fed it before, fattening it to undo the speed gain but gain stamina instead, etc. That way no one can cry that it's unrealistic—you could even have the side effect of equine flatulence for feeding it Beefaroni.
Lord knows it'd be a better reason to fall out of the saddle than just every little bit of water the way it is now.Edited by lecarcajou_ESO on June 20, 2014 5:14PM"Morally Decentralized."3 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Blooddancer wrote: »There is no undo, unfortunately it will go down as user error.
It probably is.1 -
riverdragon72✭✭✭✭✭I've been feeding her speed for 50 days or more now,
https://heatherclemenceau.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/horse-laugh4.jpgEdited by riverdragon72 on June 20, 2014 8:04PMMeh...**** it..0 -
dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭add a confirmation message to it stating feed [this food] to [horse name here] and bam, done. /threadPLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
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Evergnar✭✭✭✭✭
✭A lockable meal plan for your horse would work. You would have to unlock it to feed it anything else.1 -
Ok, how do I undo feeding my horse?
Answer: Kill it and start over
doneEdited by andreas.rudroffb16_ESO on June 20, 2014 8:24PM0 -
SootyTX✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.
"If there's no way to enhance my ability to pay attention to what I was doing, my designer needs to add one. Otherwise, I am a ridiculously stupid design and my designer should feel bad."
ftfy
Come on, seriously? One feeding...that was your error...causes this much angst in you?
Nah, it turns out I didn't make an error. You just get horse points in capacity when your horse caps - I didn't realize this, but people pointed it out to me here.
But there should be a horse respec for people who make mistakes. It is bad design to not include it - because people are going to make mistakes and, if they do so closer to horse level cap, they will have wasted a lot of time.
A 1 point difference in any of those stats will not change the horse enough to be considered a "waste of time."
I'm cursed with being a perfectionist. That one point would bother me to no end.
The real question is why do you care so badly about my horse that you want to restrict my gameplay?Wicked_Wolf wrote: »I can't believe some of the responses here. How can you be against the option of a horse respec due to "realism" but also be totally fine with the fact that all you have to do is feed your horse a specific item daily to train it?
As someone who spends a lot of time around horses, I can assure you, giving him/her an apple everyday will NOT increase speed.
I personally see nothing wrong with a respec option. It doesn't have to be "unfeeding". It can be a re train or even a "horse swap" with another stable. Whatever it is, it's not any more unrealistic than the method we use to improve our horses now. But, everyone seems fine with that. Why? Because its completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things of this game.
Totally. Well said.
Because the hours/days/weeks of developer time taken to create this 'feature' would remove resources from things that actually make a difference in the game.
This doesn't. Not one teeny tiny iota. That 1 missed feeding (which it turns out didn't even happen) has orders of magnitude less impact than a small amount of lag, or being unable to mount due to still being in combat for excessive amounts of time....hell, it has less impact than adjusting your riding line slightly to avoid a small rock.
But no, you guys want to use valuable, finite, resources to create a totally unnecessary new system, test it, hopefully not introduce bugs in anything else (like deleting things in your inventory if you 'respec' your horse from capacity to speed). All for something which is completely avoidable with a smallest modicum of attention.
...../facepalm
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✭✭GrimGryphon wrote: »
Honestly, while I feel the OP's pain, I really hope the devs find better things to do with their time then mistake-proof horse feedings.
"We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."0 -
Wicked_Wolf✭✭✭✭Basically, whenever anyone asks for something that doesn't affect certain people, those certain people will respond, "there are much better things the devs must focus their attention on." This is always the case in all MMO's.
The game will never be perfect. There will always be bugs and balance issues. There will always be these more important things the devs must focus on.1 -
lecarcajou_ESO✭✭✭✭Wicked_Wolf wrote: »There will always be these more important things the devs must focus on.
God, but Shirley we can all agree that unfeeding horses really is not one of them.
P.S.: I can't get over how the spell correction wants to change that to "unfeeling horses." Coincidence? Is there such a thing?"Morally Decentralized."0 -
Singular✭✭✭✭GrimGryphon wrote: »
Yes. You guys are all perfect and never make mistakes. Quick! Attack the people who suggest minor quality of life fixes. Come up with silly "but gosh, unfeeding horses doesn't make sense" arguments for this fantasy game.War, give me war, give me war.0 -
Singular✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.
"If there's no way to enhance my ability to pay attention to what I was doing, my designer needs to add one. Otherwise, I am a ridiculously stupid design and my designer should feel bad."
ftfy
Come on, seriously? One feeding...that was your error...causes this much angst in you?
Nah, it turns out I didn't make an error. You just get horse points in capacity when your horse caps - I didn't realize this, but people pointed it out to me here.
But there should be a horse respec for people who make mistakes. It is bad design to not include it - because people are going to make mistakes and, if they do so closer to horse level cap, they will have wasted a lot of time.
A 1 point difference in any of those stats will not change the horse enough to be considered a "waste of time."
I'm cursed with being a perfectionist. That one point would bother me to no end.
The real question is why do you care so badly about my horse that you want to restrict my gameplay?Wicked_Wolf wrote: »I can't believe some of the responses here. How can you be against the option of a horse respec due to "realism" but also be totally fine with the fact that all you have to do is feed your horse a specific item daily to train it?
As someone who spends a lot of time around horses, I can assure you, giving him/her an apple everyday will NOT increase speed.
I personally see nothing wrong with a respec option. It doesn't have to be "unfeeding". It can be a re train or even a "horse swap" with another stable. Whatever it is, it's not any more unrealistic than the method we use to improve our horses now. But, everyone seems fine with that. Why? Because its completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things of this game.
Totally. Well said.
Because the hours/days/weeks of developer time taken to create this 'feature' would remove resources from things that actually make a difference in the game.
This doesn't. Not one teeny tiny iota. That 1 missed feeding (which it turns out didn't even happen) has orders of magnitude less impact than a small amount of lag, or being unable to mount due to still being in combat for excessive amounts of time....hell, it has less impact than adjusting your riding line slightly to avoid a small rock.
But no, you guys want to use valuable, finite, resources to create a totally unnecessary new system, test it, hopefully not introduce bugs in anything else (like deleting things in your inventory if you 'respec' your horse from capacity to speed). All for something which is completely avoidable with a smallest modicum of attention.
...../facepalm
Oh, I'm completely sure that adding the existing system of redoing skills to horses would take away the ability of devs to completely fix lag. I'm sure that they're entirely comparable in terms of developer time.
Yup, it's either an option with horses or removing lag for the entire game. Well, let's go with lag. They can get around to horses whenever. So...what, a week? they can pencil that in right after lag?War, give me war, give me war.0
