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Exploit..or Working as Intended

  • killedbyping
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    It is a same bug which you can find anywhere in the world.
    This can be done by any Quest boss or Delve boss. Mechanics are the same.
    As long as there people nearby who didnt finished\started quest yet the Boss keep spawning faster then usual.
    Same goes to Delve bosses. As long as there are players inside who didnt get the credit for kill yet, boss will spawn pretty quick.

    This was actualy implemented some time ago intentionaly. So people who dont have credit yet dont have to w8 infintie time. However this is beeing exploited by other people.
    Edited by killedbyping on September 29, 2014 7:27AM
  • SienneYviete
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    And this affects your time in the big brother house how?

    Saying that people leveling faster and getting loot has nothing to do with others is so dumb, I literally dont know if you are trolling or just dumb.

    Are you ok? you seem a little upset.

    Now for my retort, in case you missed the original post, there is no mention of loot missed out on at all, he states these people are reporting all the loot they are collecting, yeah wow a couple of soul gems worthless potions and some trash weapons and armor sweet loot huh.

    The issue is people grinding craglorn bosses and threatening to report people for killing adds so that the boss doesn't re spawn as quickly which is what I can only assume has happened to the op to make him so upset as to make a forum thread about it.

    Unlike some of you extremely sensitive types if it were me I would continue doing whatever it is i'm doing and not worry about these players, if an abusive tell is sent I would use my ignore function, unless I made an effort to join this grinding group, if that's the case then I do what they ask as we all have a common goal (to get quick xp).

    Please enlighten me here, how does the speed in which another player raises their veteran rank affect you in any way whatsoever? I pay to play just like you, if you don't like grinding then don't do it simple as that but I will be damned if I'm going to do the same quests and zones over and over again on multiple characters.

    If Zenimax has an issue with the re spawn mechanic of these bosses they will in due time adjust them accordingly.
    Edited by SienneYviete on September 29, 2014 9:05AM
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  • TehMagnus
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    Probably getting patched with today's update.
  • Bleakraven
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    I'd assume it is an exploit, obviously, all previous bosses do have a respawn timer so... Yup. Exploit.
  • smeeprocketnub19_ESO
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    hiyde wrote: »
    So people are bragging in Craglorn zone chat that they are pulling in "37,000 XP every 7 seconds" by not killing adds on a landscape boss (therefore it keeps respawning). They're educating everyone else in zone chat on exactly how to do it.

    One person says they leveled VR 7 to VR 11 in under an hour. Zone: "I don't care about VR exploiting because VR is going away". Wow.

    And then there's all the loot they are collecting...by gaming this mechanic.

    It's been 36 hours since I filed this as a bug.

    Working as intended? Or Exploit?

    @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ ?

    Vet levels will not go away.
    Champion system will work with the vet system.

    vet level will go away at stage 3. FFS how many times do we have to rehash this argument.
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  • Rune_Relic
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    hiyde wrote: »
    So people are bragging in Craglorn zone chat that they are pulling in "37,000 XP every 7 seconds" by not killing adds on a landscape boss (therefore it keeps respawning). They're educating everyone else in zone chat on exactly how to do it.

    One person says they leveled VR 7 to VR 11 in under an hour. Zone: "I don't care about VR exploiting because VR is going away". Wow.

    And then there's all the loot they are collecting...by gaming this mechanic.

    It's been 36 hours since I filed this as a bug.

    Working as intended? Or Exploit?

    @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ ?

    Vet levels will not go away.
    Champion system will work with the vet system.

    vet level will go away at stage 3. FFS how many times do we have to rehash this argument.

    I think you need to start a definitive thread and just link it ;)
    Anything that can be exploited will be exploited
  • Mountain_Dewed
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    I have never rushed any of my 3 characters(NB/v12, Temp/V1 and DK/v2) on leveling. I have done quests and/or PvP. The NB I have completed nearly all quests in non-vet areas and am working on Cadwell's(luv this dude!) gold atm...
  • bertenburnyb16_ESO
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    37k xp/7sec :o
    ow man I grinded the slow way to vr14 (and I hate grinding) :(
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  • tordr86b16_ESO
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    the veteran progression from vr10 to 14 is nonexistent. there is not enough quests and the experience you get from them doesn't warrant any reason to do them. It's good they are removing VR because it's quite obvious that the VR system is broken.
  • Tabbycat
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    Expect ZOS to fix it in short order. If there's one thing they do not seem to like, it's speed-leveling.
    Edited by Tabbycat on September 29, 2014 12:54PM
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  • Gorthax
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    which world boss is this :D I would really like to go do this ^_^
  • gunplummer
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    While i agree with OP killing the boss and not the add's maybe an exploit, but i don't have a problem with it and think ZoS should leave it alone.

    Look at some of the cheevo's; kill 1000 named bosses, or do 10 million dungeon damage, or harvest 10000 nodes. These are intentional grinds, if you find a spot with a good respawn rate because ZoS put enough nodes or bosses in one area to make grinding more efficient why wouldn't you use it?

    I spent all weekend grinding in craglorn grinding out vr12-14, unfortunately i didn't know about the 37k in 7sec or i would have been right there as well. However, there's still a lot of things i want to work on such as my last 2 weapons to 50, 2 dolmen bosses left, achievements, fishing, PvP, crafting, sky shards, quests, and the list goes on and on.

    The point is leveling to vr14 is only 1/10th of what there is to do in ESO. Even now i noticed more chat requests for questing in craglorn, a month ago you couldn't find 2 people who wanted to quest, and the month before it was trials. If it doesn't interfere with someones game play then i say leave it alone. Just saying...

  • Gillysan
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    I call this player testing :D
    Fair disclosure: my highest toon is v3. I intend to enjoy what the game has to offer, I saw what happened to the 200 member pvp guild I'm in. There are bigger issues that ZOS has to attend to. Also, some players create their own problems, there is no social engineering worth doing to save them.
  • AlnilamE
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    Or the exploit at the last boss in Hircine's Haunt which like half of the playerbase now has used to powergrind through VRs for over 2 months.

    Is that the one where you finish that dungeon and don't get the achievement, so you have to come back and do it all over again? Because that happened to me yesterday. :s
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  • onlinegamer1
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    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/133926/patch-notes-v1-4-5

    This boss is NOT listed in the patch notes.

    Of course, that means nothing - it could still be stealth-nerfed.
  • Gorthax
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    which boss >_<
  • AlexDougherty
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    Gorthax wrote: »
    which boss >_<

    The last boss at Hircines Haunt, it's in the quote in @Alnilam post.
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  • onlinegamer1
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    Gorthax wrote: »
    which boss >_<

    The last boss at Hircines Haunt, it's in the quote in @Alnilam post.

    False.

    It was clearly said that this is a World Boss (aka not inside any quest/dungeon/instance) and its in the new Upper Craglorn area.
  • AlexDougherty
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    Gorthax wrote: »
    which boss >_<

    The last boss at Hircines Haunt, it's in the quote in @Alnilam post.

    False.

    It was clearly said that this is a World Boss (aka not inside any quest/dungeon/instance) and its in the new Upper Craglorn area.

    Sorry, It was the only boss mentioned on this page, so I presumed.....
    People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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    Passion rules reason
    Wizard's third rule
    Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
    Wizard's fifth rule
    Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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  • Tuttebel
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    Stratti wrote: »
    Many times I have seen people say that grinding bosses is ok its an option that should be there. I can understand where you are coming from however consider this.

    Where is the ESO population gonna be when the grind is on (obvious answer)

    Where will the rest of the people find the people required to complete the content

    What will be the participation of anything other than grinding to max level be like

    Is there an end game to make the above irrelevant (No there isnt - There is a thread on it)
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    1. Not everyone is a fan of grinding. These threats are ample proof of that.
    Some are grinding now/have done it, others are trying to deal with a borked grouping system.
    2. Where do I find them now? Please explain to me why I should be sitting LFG in craglorn for a few hours rather then spend that time doing something that advances my character. The horrible way the quests are implemented there makes sure that at this very moment it takes way too long.
    3. See 1.
    4. V14 gives an advantage in PVP. That's part of my endgame. Dragonstar Arena is something I want to do ... another part.

    Now why don't you give me a viable option instead of trying to get rid of grinding. Keep in mind that I got that Tamriel Hero title, all delves are completed aswell as worldbosses. (apart from craglorn obviously).
    I don't have the luxury to spend hours upon hours in this game, being an adult sucks sometimes.

    Stay moist,
    Edited by Tuttebel on September 29, 2014 3:49PM
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  • hiyde
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    Again, this post was not about grinding overall. It's about a very specific grind:

    Killing a landscape boss then resetting his adds, prompting an instant respawn. It's a self-described (in zone chat) process that yields 37,000XP (+ boss loot) every *7 seconds* and *5* VR levels in an *hour*.

    If the boss + adds were killed that would be over 40,000XP. The boss naturally respawns every 5 minutes. 40k XP every 5 minutes is substantial, not to mention there are *TONS* of mobs nearby that would allow for a nice rotation through the zone to come back and get the boss every 5 minutes.

    See the difference?

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  • Vahrokh
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    I don't even know if it's worth signalling these things to ZoS any more.

    They have left open EVERY other exploit and shortcut to max level XP except anomalies (perhaps the only fun stuff to repeat for hours, the spawns are somewhat more random than killing the same bosses).


    Said that, seeing how people disdain the "proper" content to powerlevel is also a sign of how good such "proper" content is.
    Edited by Vahrokh on September 29, 2014 4:06PM
  • Gorthax
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    sooooooo no one wants to say WHICH boss lol
  • onlinegamer1
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    Gorthax wrote: »
    sooooooo no one wants to say WHICH boss lol

    Given how small "Upper" Craglorn is....
    and that its a Boss with "adds" (non-boss normal mobs) with it...
    and that if you come across a large group standing in one spot in upper crag...

    Its not like anyone needs this spelled out. :)
  • Nestor
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    hiyde wrote: »
    The question: Is it OK to kill the boss, then reset the adds, causing an immediate respawn of the boss, rinse/repeat every 7 seconds for loot + 37,000XP.

    Yes

    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

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  • hiyde
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    Thanks, Nestor! (P.S. Nevermind @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ - question answered!)
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  • Gorthax
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    Gorthax wrote: »
    sooooooo no one wants to say WHICH boss lol

    Given how small "Upper" Craglorn is....
    and that its a Boss with "adds" (non-boss normal mobs) with it...
    and that if you come across a large group standing in one spot in upper crag...

    Its not like anyone needs this spelled out. :)

    True lol guess i will just go see if i can find it ^_^
  • Nestor
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    hiyde wrote: »
    Thanks, Nestor! (P.S. Nevermind @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ - question answered!)

    Thing is, they put in levels that need a grind to achieve, so why not have an easier grind?

    It's just equipment anyway that you get as you level. It's not like Attributes or Skill points are being unlocked, just an opportunity to make new gear.

    You pointed a way to grind this boss that just takes longer to do by not exploiting the respawn mechanic. What difference does that really make to grind it out in a way that takes longer to do, vs grinding it out in a way that gets done quicker? Is the Grind any more legitimate because it takes longer and requires a path through the map?

    Grinding is Grinding, no one thinks it is fun, but we all have to do it if we want that VR14 Shiny Thing.

    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • reften
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    Here's the deal...if you skip all of Cadwell's gold, you will leave a ton of SPs on the table.

    If you're like me, and suffered through cadwell's gold, ALL WBs, all solo and public dungeons...and now needed a way to level from VR9.8 to VR14...then HUSH YOUR MOUTH and grind away.

    I love PvP in ESO and will play for many months down the road, until I'm forced to do group based PvE content.
    Reften
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    Moonlight Crew (RIP), Misfitz (RIP), Victorem Guild

    VR16 NB, Stam build, Max all crafts.

    Azuras & Trueflame. Mostly PvP, No alts.

    Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.

    Love the Packers, Bourbon, and ESO...one of those will eventually kill me.
  • hiyde
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    oren74 wrote: »
    Here's the deal...if you skip all of Cadwell's gold, you will leave a ton of SPs on the table.

    If you're like me, and suffered through cadwell's gold, ALL WBs, all solo and public dungeons...and now needed a way to level from VR9.8 to VR14...then HUSH YOUR MOUTH and grind away.

    I love PvP in ESO and will play for many months down the road, until I'm forced to do group based PvE content.

    Wow you had a different experience than I did. I came out of Cadwell's Gold VR11 and finished the final level by running Cyrodill PvE dailies (tons of quests and great XP) And I didn't to any private group dungeons beyond Banished Cells.
    @Hiyde GM/Founder - Bleakrock Barter Co (Trade Guild - PC/NA) | Blackbriar Barter Co (Trade Guild-PC/NA)
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