not completely removed, but reworked, since how their working now is not as it should be, for example as I started I thought you could only respawn in a camp if you died inside the radius of the camp, which I thought logical

Yes. However they should be replaced by another mechanic, to prevent the 'walking simulator' scenario.

1, players are able to rez at resource towers and keeps under attack, but only if they died within certain distance of them

2, rezzing this way starts a timer. you cannot rez again until the timer ticks down to zero. This means you can rez instantly after dying, but only once. If you die again too fast, you will have to wait. This is to prevent players from suicide rushing over and over, and also allows for a keep to be captured eventually. (the timer might be only a few seconds or a minute, depending on what works best. open to debate)

3, all keeps are made more difficult (slower) to capture so that defenders have time to react/get there in time to mount a defense without relying on suicide porting(since that won't be possible anymore). Alternatively, make it possible to port into keeps under attack as long as all resources are not captured.

michael_bimson wrote: »

...however it would mean that suicide porting to resources on the other side of the map would now be possible (for attacking) which may be an unfair advantage for attackers (negative).

The idea is that you can only rez somewhere if you died a certain distance away from it, withing the 'rez radius'. So suicide porting across the map(and suicide porting in general) should be a thing of the past.

Sharee wrote: »

So suicide porting across the map(and suicide porting in general) should be a thing of the past.

Can you give us numbers about those "suicide porting in general"?

I've played, more than I should, past 2 weeks (EP on Thorn) and I don't have the feeling this being common practice.

Also suicide with 2.2K-2.5K health isn't that easy, except if you have a known way to do it efficiently. Tell me about how to do it, just in case, you know?

I've been moving from spot to spot after teleports from linked building to move to keep offense and defense and I had plenty of company from players doing exactly what I was doing.

I would like to see camps that only allow respawn if you're in the camp's area.

I would prefer to get them to work in a different way, maybe adding a cool down to their use so that they will become more of a strategic resource than a "position a new one when the old camp is expired".

This will allow a much more interesting way of playing, where using a camp at the wrong time could cost you the siege of the keep .

I hate the idea of spending half of the time in PvP not actually PvPing. They should not be removed, just re-worked. only being usable if you are in the radius would be a good start. having players spawn with decreased stats....

we cant just remove them. Id much rather see them fixed than removed myself.

@Cody‌

Till now I was never told to do this in all the pug groups I was in. Leader always told to port to objective X, group up and leave together to reach objective Y.

Anyway.
Suicide is a common practice in MMORPG, both PVE and RvR.

Nidwin wrote: »

Also suicide with 2.2K-2.5K health isn't that easy, except if you have a known way to do it efficiently. Tell me about how to do it, just in case, you know?

Have you ever wondered why one of your keeps deep within your territory has one of the resources controlled by the enemy?

That's how.

Nidwin wrote: »

@Cody‌

Till now I was never told to do this in all the pug groups I was in. Leader always told to port to objective X, group up and leave together to reach objective Y.

Anyway.
Suicide is a common practice in MMORPG, both PVE and RvR.

That is what you usually do when you go to attack an enemy structure. But you cannot do that if you want to defend a keep that came under attack, because it would be taken before you could ride halfway towards it.

If keep X suddenly starts showing 'on fire' on the map, the first thing you hear in chat is "someone place a camp at X fast!!!" followed by "NO, don't take lumber at Y, we need it to suicide to get to X!"

Sharee wrote: »

If keep X suddenly starts showing 'on fire' on the map, the first thing you hear in chat is "someone place a camp at X fast!!!" followed by "NO, don't take lumber at Y, we need it to suicide to get to X!"

Haven't witnessed this in the past 2 weeks (3 week-ends) EP on Thorn US. I'm not saying it doesn't happen although. I'm certain it's common practice amongst those pointy high elves ears and their lapdogs, but honor isn't their cup of tea, we all know it. ;-)

In DaoC and Warhammer (the 2 big references for RvR) this practice would actually been seen as "normal", just to speed up stuff and to make sure you wont's miss the big fight.

In Warhammer we even had scrolls and the war report to move from to zones quickly.

And as a destro player
Waterfall jump in Tier 2 Elf
Dragonwake jump from cliff at WC. Once changed it was take PVE route to keep.
Thunder Mountain -> lava jump
and so on and so on

I've lost track of how many times PVP comes to an end in Blackwater Blade becomes sides run out of camps. Level 10 players do not last long especial against VET 5 NPC's! Also getting from A to B is part of the fun when you can attack or be attacked at any moment. Rez at the nearest resource, keep or run the risk of riding, which I think adds to the fun.

Dudis wrote: »

Dying in this game right now is just a quick way to replenish your magicka and stamina.

I agree 100% the lack of a meaningful death penalty gives surviving and "winning" in PVP no value

Fix keep defense/transitus system. It really wouldn't become a walking simulator if they removed them. The transitus system was created to make a flow of combat, and the forward camps completely throw the flow out the window. PvP has become zerg at the forward camps or be bored.

I would like to see them removed, and replaced with the following mechanic,

If you die within an agreed radius of an under attack keep, you can re-spawn at it provided there is at least X mages powering that transitus shrine. If the max amount of mages are present and alive, there is no cap on res' per x. If there is only 2 mages out of 4 alive, then there would be timer to res or something.

This brings in the question, can the defending faction res the mages? In the balance of things I would like to think so. I don't know what the respawn timer is on them at present. If they can res the mages, soul gems?

As for the walking simulator bit. I believe forward camps or something similar should be present. But, they have to be outside of the keep and at an X distance.

This encourages more tactical thinking of the opposition and the defence.

c0rp wrote: »

Until camps are removed from game they will continue to lead to zerg blobbling, lag, and make the strategy of supply/transit lines moot.

Zerg blobbing and lag are independent of camps and occur with them. Removing camps will not put an end to either phenomena. Nor will we see much of a reduction in zerg blobbing. In fact, we might even see more of it as people who resurrect at a camp will likely wait a few moments for the allies to form a zerg rather than continue the steady stream of players into a keep siege like we see today.

Also, the supply lines reason is a weak one when confronted by reality. All sides use camps for both offensive and defensive purposes. There is no victim here that needs to be protected.

If camps are removed, one or more of these will happen.

-- Battles involving all three factions at the opposite ends of the maps (the north for AD, the southeast for DC and the southwest for EP) will be much more rare.

-- Far fewer instances of two factions teaming up against the other to take scrolls will occur. Events like this weekend's actions on Thornblade NA where DC and EP simultaneously attacked and stole both of AD's scrolls will largely be a thing of the past.

-- Diversion tactics where one faction captures and holds an enemy's gate keep but no other nearby keeps will largely vanish.

-- Scrolls will be stolen less frequently as combatants for both sides will not be able to rejoin the fight easily. If a scroll is stolen, the third alliance with focused and fully supplied forces can wait and ambush the depleted squad with the stolen scroll.

-- Nightcapping or daycapping will increase in frequency and intensity as that will be the only time some keeps or scrolls are captured. It may also be the only times an Emperor is ever crowned.

-- Those complaining about ESO being a Horse Simulator will be more vocal than ever as noticeable amounts of time will be spent on horseback rather than in siege battles.

Some people may be frustrated with them but removing them will have a negative effect on the game.