Do you think ZOS should implement more things to the User Interface?

Chelos · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

To all the:
No, I like the minimalist UI and everybody should be forced to use it or just use addons.
So you rather force others to your point of view than get additional options to the game (there was an "other"option available for you after all...), wow, you're really people I don't want to know.

Addons are nice but they are very limited in what they can do.
Addons have to be updated by the creator nearly every time there's a patch.
Addons get abandoned because the creator doesn't have the time any more or leaves the game.

I don't want to force additional UI stuff on anyone thus I'd like anything that will hopefully be included in the future to be optional and turned off by default.

R1ckyDaMan · September 2014

No, I like the minimalist UI and everybody should be forced to use it or just use addons.

So where can I get real (not guessed with no APi info) buff tracking for myself, or tell what is attacking me in a combat log? Where can I see nameplates with an addon? Why should I be forced to maintain a fleet of 30 addons to bring the UI to a still-substandard level of functionality, with many features not even able to be made by authors due to posts such as yours?

You are indeed insisting that we are forced into your featureless gameplay. Not everyone wants to play that way, and adding these options in would not impact your screen at all. It would benefit people who do want to play in a different way than yourself.[/quote]

I use 0 addons and have no issues at all in knowing what is attacking me, my health bar tells me if I have a buff etc normally watching your health bar tells you exactly how you are affected.

GwaynLoki · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

Chelos wrote: »

To all the:
No, I like the minimalist UI and everybody should be forced to use it or just use addons.
So you rather force others to your point of view than get additional options to the game (there was an "other"option available for you after all...)

Right on spot.

MichaelShimmel · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

how about allowing a 2nd chat window for us people that like to see guild chat not have it flash by because some one's epeen needs to be sized up in zone chat. I know you can filter and have several tabs. I don't want that. I want a new window. All you "but the minimalist ui" people can stuff it - I want the game my way. if that argument is good enough for you then it is good enough for me.

for the people saying it will keep me out of groups if I don't have it enabled - well there are groups that require voice chat already, please start complaining about that too. I suspect that some of the top end guilds in PvP and PvE may tell members what ui additions they require for running groups/raids/trails as well. I think the only ones requiring these things are the hard core players and they are already doing so. It is my opinion that adding it to the default ui will change nothing in the way of requirements for grouping.

AlexDougherty · September 2014

Other (please explain).

I have no problem with them improving the User Interface, but stipulate that any changes should be intelligent ones, that improve the game, and not simply the most popular addons added to the game.

For example one of the most popular addons is the Skyshard finder, or the Lore Book finder. I have no problem with people choosing to use them, but they should not be added to the User Interface because they don't actually improve how the game plays.

Chuggernaut · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

Please add a detailed character sheet! Add-ons don't cut it since the results from the API don't populate it.

TehMagnus · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

MichaelShimmel wrote: »

for the people saying it will keep me out of groups if I don't have it enabled - well there are groups that require voice chat already, please start complaining about that too. I suspect that some of the top end guilds in PvP and PvE may tell members what ui additions they require for running groups/raids/trails as well. I think the only ones requiring these things are the hard core players and they are already doing so. It is my opinion that adding it to the default ui will change nothing in the way of requirements for grouping.

Totally true. many trial runs won't start if everybody isn't on TS and most if not all Hard Core guilds will ask new players to install FTC and link their DPS when doing test runs.

TehMagnus · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

So where can I get real (not guessed with no APi info) buff tracking for myself, or tell what is attacking me in a combat log? Where can I see nameplates with an addon? Why should I be forced to maintain a fleet of 30 addons to bring the UI to a still-substandard level of functionality, with many features not even able to be made by authors due to posts such as yours?

You are indeed insisting that we are forced into your featureless gameplay. Not everyone wants to play that way, and adding these options in would not impact your screen at all. It would benefit people who do want to play in a different way than yourself.

I use 0 addons and have no issues at all in knowing what is attacking me, my health bar tells me if I have a buff etc normally watching your health bar tells you exactly how you are affected.

Yeah for easy mode Veteran dungeons maybe. For PVP or end game content, "Health Bar" doesn't cut it. And good luck keeping track of all the DoTs you placed by counting down in your mind.

Chuggernaut · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

k9mouse wrote: »

When people say "I want X in because is 'standard' in a MMO" What they are really saying, "I like WoW clones because they are standard and I want to turn ESO into a WoW clone"

Therefore, it is better to leave some aspects out of default UI and let the addons do the work. ZOS should keep the min UI.

I hate WoW and it's clones, and it is the main reason, imho, for the dumbing down of mmos.

That being said, Searching vendors, although better now than in beta/launch, is still the worst system I've ever used, its not even on par with SWG and that's an 11 year old game. Also as I've already mentioned in this post, the Character sheet blows. Using the detailed character sheet, I "should" be able to see all my buffs, passives and racial bonuses, but I don't. About the only thing I can tell for sure on my character sheet is that I have the Warrior Stone still active, and it wont go away.

Tandor · September 2014

No but as long as the features are optional and don't advantage other people I'm fine with it.

I wonder whether the best solution would be for the devs to take the few most commonly used addon features and incorporate them all into a single official addon that would be made available as an optional installation through the game launcher (or the official website if that wasn't feasible). They would then ensure that it was updated with the game and did not conflict with other independent addons.

That would give most of those seeking an enhanced UI the features they want with the added benefit of them not being required to download them from third party sites or struggling with compatibility issues every time the game gets updated. Anyone who wanted to avoid addons completely would remain free to do so, while conversely there would still be scope for independent modders to cater for the demand for additional features.

Potenza · September 2014

No, I like the minimalist UI and everybody should be forced to use it or just use addons.

VOTE =NO period. I prefer to CUSTOMIZE my UI and not be FORCED to use built in UI elements.

R1ckyDaMan · September 2014

No, I like the minimalist UI and everybody should be forced to use it or just use addons.

magnusnet wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

So where can I get real (not guessed with no APi info) buff tracking for myself, or tell what is attacking me in a combat log? Where can I see nameplates with an addon? Why should I be forced to maintain a fleet of 30 addons to bring the UI to a still-substandard level of functionality, with many features not even able to be made by authors due to posts such as yours?

You are indeed insisting that we are forced into your featureless gameplay. Not everyone wants to play that way, and adding these options in would not impact your screen at all. It would benefit people who do want to play in a different way than yourself.

I use 0 addons and have no issues at all in knowing what is attacking me, my health bar tells me if I have a buff etc normally watching your health bar tells you exactly how you are affected.

Yeah for easy mode Veteran dungeons maybe. For PVP or end game content, "Health Bar" doesn't cut it. And good luck keeping track of all the DoTs you placed by counting down in your mind.

You decide to over complicate the game in your mind and then complain the game does not meet your needs.

Hamfast · September 2014

Other (please explain).

Personally, I like the idea of player created addons to supplement the UI, players less skilled in creating those addons can choose the ones that they like. I also like the idea that ZOS supports this with an interface that the add-on writers can use. My only stipulation would be all addons must be available to the public, not that anyone can really stop private addons.

ZOS has a vision of the game, anything they add to the UI of the game should enhance that vision and have nothing to do with which addons have the most downloads or any other reason beyond it enhances their vision of the game.

Azzuria · September 2014

No, I like the minimalist UI and everybody should be forced to use it or just use addons.

Personally, ( again ) the minimalist UI feels more like an ES game. If you want to a whole screen full of buttons and scrolling numbers and the entire side of your monitor cluttered up with health bars, fine. Wonderful. Great! Download some add-ons or, better yet, make some of your own! ZOS has actively and happily encouraged the creation of add-ons, probably moreso than any other game I've played.

I'd rather have the ability to personalize my UI from a stock, minimalist UI than have the devs wasting time giving everyone every little tweak, feature, nugget of information about everything all the time and instead focus on fixing issues like bugs, balance and adding new content. And don't give me that ' you can switch it off ' line. The same can be said about you, just 'download an add-on'.

The other ES games had a huge and vibrant modding community. Take a page from their book and make YOUR game look and feel and play the way YOU want.

And those whining that we who support a minimalist UI are 'forcing' our choice on you: No, we're not. We're accepting a planned, intended Design Choice by the devs, one that was made that way by planning, on purpose. By demanding all the additional UI clutter, YOU are, in point of fact, doing exactly what you claim to be denouncing. That's called projection.

Vizier · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

would love to see the most popular features incorporated into the game. My reasoning for this is selfish in that I merely don't want to keep having features busted just because there was a game update and or a popular addon's author decides to retire from ESO.

I mean some of the features for customization, combat data, general data tool bars etc, are no brainers and should have been in the game from the beginning. Just keep the option to use or not use each feature for those that want to see nothing on the screen but the beautiful game.

BBSooner · September 2014

No, I like the minimalist UI and everybody should be forced to use it or just use addons.

Playing archeage recently gave me even more appreciation for ESO's minimal UI.

curlyqloub14_ESO · September 2014

No but I do agree that the current features need work to make them user friendly.

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

VOTE =NO period. I prefer to CUSTOMIZE my UI and not be FORCED to use built in UI elements.

^^^ I agree with this sentiment.

Plus, considering that some parts of the current UI are not particularly user-friendly, what makes you think they would do a better job of implementing more UI stuff? I don't have much confidence that ZOS would do it better (or even on par) with the current addons.

And quite frankly, I would much prefer that they invest their time and resources into fixing bugs, grouping, and balance issues than waste time implementing more stuff in the UI - especially when those who WANT more UI stuff already have another means of getting it. For ZOS to take popular addons and make them part of the standard UI is essentially re-inventing the wheel, and therefore rather a waste of time.

TehMagnus · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

So where can I get real (not guessed with no APi info) buff tracking for myself, or tell what is attacking me in a combat log? Where can I see nameplates with an addon? Why should I be forced to maintain a fleet of 30 addons to bring the UI to a still-substandard level of functionality, with many features not even able to be made by authors due to posts such as yours?

You are indeed insisting that we are forced into your featureless gameplay. Not everyone wants to play that way, and adding these options in would not impact your screen at all. It would benefit people who do want to play in a different way than yourself.

I use 0 addons and have no issues at all in knowing what is attacking me, my health bar tells me if I have a buff etc normally watching your health bar tells you exactly how you are affected.

Yeah for easy mode Veteran dungeons maybe. For PVP or end game content, "Health Bar" doesn't cut it. And good luck keeping track of all the DoTs you placed by counting down in your mind.

You decide to over complicate the game in your mind and then complain the game does not meet your needs.

You probably just play Veteran dungeons and think it's hard content. Go play Serpent Trial and wipe at first boss, Arena Hard Mode and wipe at stage 2, then we'll talk about complicating the game.

TehMagnus · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

Azzuria wrote: »

And those whining that we who support a minimalist UI are 'forcing' our choice on you: No, we're not. We're accepting a planned, intended Design Choice by the devs, one that was made that way by planning, on purpose. By demanding all the additional UI clutter, YOU are, in point of fact, doing exactly what you claim to be denouncing. That's called projection.

YOu're wrong, the devs aren't fully agreeing with this "minimalist UI", moreover the beta and alpha versions had many more UI elements than final version so it sure isn't intended Design Choice by "the devs" and you are forcing ignorance upon the players who couldn't care less about immersion.

Shaun98ca2 · September 2014

No, I like the minimalist UI and everybody should be forced to use it or just use addons.

magnusnet wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

One reason I continue to play this game is because I don't have a bunch of crap on my screen.

What part of "Optional" and "Disabled by default" don't you understand then?

Peer pressure will make any so could "optional" UI be forced on you. Best to leave it out of the default UI!

There is NO difference what so ever between peer pressure "forcing you" to use addons or forcing you to use UI elements. If you don't have the FTC addon and you can't show your DPS, you won't get into core raids of good PVE guilds. Argument is non valid since it makes no difference for it to be a UI or an addon element. The only difference is that UI elements are likely to be maintained all the time and have more information than the addons which is a good thing for people that use them. If you're weak enough to succumb to peer pressure, that's your issue.

k9mouse wrote: »

Whats funny about this is the same people against UI changes are also the same people that were against these kinds of addons being allowed to be me made.

But hey they are optional. I guess people who don't like the UI have the option to move on, those that like the UI simply have to fight to keep it.

TehMagnus · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

One reason I continue to play this game is because I don't have a bunch of crap on my screen.

What part of "Optional" and "Disabled by default" don't you understand then?

Peer pressure will make any so could "optional" UI be forced on you. Best to leave it out of the default UI!

There is NO difference what so ever between peer pressure "forcing you" to use addons or forcing you to use UI elements. If you don't have the FTC addon and you can't show your DPS, you won't get into core raids of good PVE guilds. Argument is non valid since it makes no difference for it to be a UI or an addon element. The only difference is that UI elements are likely to be maintained all the time and have more information than the addons which is a good thing for people that use them. If you're weak enough to succumb to peer pressure, that's your issue.

k9mouse wrote: »

Whats funny about this is the same people against UI changes are also the same people that were against these kinds of addons being allowed to be me made.

But hey they are optional. I guess people who don't like the UI have the option to move on, those that like the UI simply have to fight to keep it.

It won't change anything for those who aren't using the addons. They still will be able to play with their UI lacking 10 years of MMOG evolution.

Shaun98ca2 · September 2014

No, I like the minimalist UI and everybody should be forced to use it or just use addons.

magnusnet wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

One reason I continue to play this game is because I don't have a bunch of crap on my screen.

What part of "Optional" and "Disabled by default" don't you understand then?

Peer pressure will make any so could "optional" UI be forced on you. Best to leave it out of the default UI!

There is NO difference what so ever between peer pressure "forcing you" to use addons or forcing you to use UI elements. If you don't have the FTC addon and you can't show your DPS, you won't get into core raids of good PVE guilds. Argument is non valid since it makes no difference for it to be a UI or an addon element. The only difference is that UI elements are likely to be maintained all the time and have more information than the addons which is a good thing for people that use them. If you're weak enough to succumb to peer pressure, that's your issue.

k9mouse wrote: »

Whats funny about this is the same people against UI changes are also the same people that were against these kinds of addons being allowed to be me made.

But hey they are optional. I guess people who don't like the UI have the option to move on, those that like the UI simply have to fight to keep it.

It won't change anything for those who aren't using the addons. They still will be able to play with their UI lacking 10 years of MMOG evolution.

I guess you don't understand that's fine you probably never will.

TehMagnus · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

One reason I continue to play this game is because I don't have a bunch of crap on my screen.

What part of "Optional" and "Disabled by default" don't you understand then?

Peer pressure will make any so could "optional" UI be forced on you. Best to leave it out of the default UI!

There is NO difference what so ever between peer pressure "forcing you" to use addons or forcing you to use UI elements. If you don't have the FTC addon and you can't show your DPS, you won't get into core raids of good PVE guilds. Argument is non valid since it makes no difference for it to be a UI or an addon element. The only difference is that UI elements are likely to be maintained all the time and have more information than the addons which is a good thing for people that use them. If you're weak enough to succumb to peer pressure, that's your issue.

k9mouse wrote: »

Whats funny about this is the same people against UI changes are also the same people that were against these kinds of addons being allowed to be me made.

But hey they are optional. I guess people who don't like the UI have the option to move on, those that like the UI simply have to fight to keep it.

It won't change anything for those who aren't using the addons. They still will be able to play with their UI lacking 10 years of MMOG evolution.

I guess you don't understand that's fine you probably never will.

What you don't understand is that people playing with minimalist UIs aren't playing the same game we are and we couldn't care less about playing with them in any case. All we want is for our gameplay to be improved without anything being imposed to the rest of the players : Optional elements.

But I guess some people are just too selfish;

Martinus72 · September 2014

No but as long as the features are optional and don't advantage other people I'm fine with it.

I think it's fine as it is - minimalistic UI with many options to enhance it by addons (I personally use 'bout 40 of them).
I'd definitely recommend installing any addons through minion which is extremely comfortable for managing and updating.

TehMagnus · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

Martinus72 wrote: »

I think it's fine as it is - minimalistic UI with many options to enhance it by addons (I personally use 'bout 40 of them).
I'd definitely recommend installing any addons through minion which is extremely comfortable for managing and updating.

What will you do when the addons makers quit the game or when ZOS changes the API so it gives even less information?

What puzzles me is I can get personal information like what loot other people in my party are getting but I can't get information about the buffs / debuffs that affect me.....

AlexDougherty · September 2014

Other (please explain).

magnusnet wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

One reason I continue to play this game is because I don't have a bunch of crap on my screen.

What part of "Optional" and "Disabled by default" don't you understand then?

Peer pressure will make any so could "optional" UI be forced on you. Best to leave it out of the default UI!

There is NO difference what so ever between peer pressure "forcing you" to use addons or forcing you to use UI elements. If you don't have the FTC addon and you can't show your DPS, you won't get into core raids of good PVE guilds. Argument is non valid since it makes no difference for it to be a UI or an addon element. The only difference is that UI elements are likely to be maintained all the time and have more information than the addons which is a good thing for people that use them. If you're weak enough to succumb to peer pressure, that's your issue.

k9mouse wrote: »

Whats funny about this is the same people against UI changes are also the same people that were against these kinds of addons being allowed to be me made.

But hey they are optional. I guess people who don't like the UI have the option to move on, those that like the UI simply have to fight to keep it.

It won't change anything for those who aren't using the addons. They still will be able to play with their UI lacking 10 years of MMOG evolution.

I guess you don't understand that's fine you probably never will.

What you don't understand is that people playing with minimalist UIs aren't playing the same game we are and we couldn't care less about playing with them in any case. All we want is for our gameplay to be improved without anything being imposed to the rest of the players : Optional elements.

But I guess some people are just too selfish;

The game is quite fun with no addons, I can discover stuff by exploring, and get a more natural feel to the classes.

I have no problem with addons persay, I just don't use them.

Which is why I said before any improvements to the UI should be genuine improvements, not just very popular.

Oh btw I'm agreeing with @magnusnet just in case that's unclear.

TehMagnus · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

One reason I continue to play this game is because I don't have a bunch of crap on my screen.

What part of "Optional" and "Disabled by default" don't you understand then?

Peer pressure will make any so could "optional" UI be forced on you. Best to leave it out of the default UI!

There is NO difference what so ever between peer pressure "forcing you" to use addons or forcing you to use UI elements. If you don't have the FTC addon and you can't show your DPS, you won't get into core raids of good PVE guilds. Argument is non valid since it makes no difference for it to be a UI or an addon element. The only difference is that UI elements are likely to be maintained all the time and have more information than the addons which is a good thing for people that use them. If you're weak enough to succumb to peer pressure, that's your issue.

k9mouse wrote: »

Whats funny about this is the same people against UI changes are also the same people that were against these kinds of addons being allowed to be me made.

But hey they are optional. I guess people who don't like the UI have the option to move on, those that like the UI simply have to fight to keep it.

It won't change anything for those who aren't using the addons. They still will be able to play with their UI lacking 10 years of MMOG evolution.

I guess you don't understand that's fine you probably never will.

What you don't understand is that people playing with minimalist UIs aren't playing the same game we are and we couldn't care less about playing with them in any case. All we want is for our gameplay to be improved without anything being imposed to the rest of the players : Optional elements.

But I guess some people are just too selfish;

The game is quite fun with no addons, I can discover stuff by exploring, and get a more natural feel to the classes.

I have no problem with addons persay, I just don't use them.

Which is why I said before any improvements to the UI should be genuine improvements, not just very popular.

Oh btw I'm agreeing with @magnusnet just in case that's unclear.

I haven't finished main quest which I'm completing slowly for the story/skyshards/skillpoints . I often enjoy it using wykkyd's immersion addon to have the least UI elements possible so I agree it's fun without addons, it just depends of the content you're aiming for.

It's just not possible to do this on any end game content (unless you don't care about dying over and over again untill your party dismisses you)....

Martinus72 · September 2014

No but as long as the features are optional and don't advantage other people I'm fine with it.

magnusnet wrote: »

Martinus72 wrote: »

I think it's fine as it is - minimalistic UI with many options to enhance it by addons (I personally use 'bout 40 of them).
I'd definitely recommend installing any addons through minion which is extremely comfortable for managing and updating.

What will you do when the addons makers quit the game or when ZOS changes the API so it gives even less information?

What puzzles me is I can get personal information like what loot other people in my party are getting but I can't get information about the buffs / debuffs that affect me.....

It happens all the time, one maker is quitting, another is picking continuing updating addon or there is new, better version of that addon created so wouldn't be worry about that if you keep checking sites like esoui for comments and information.
And even if Armageddon happened and all of sudden all addons evaporated I would be able to play on original UI without problems.

TehMagnus · September 2014

Yes, they should take the most dowloaded addons from ESOUI and support them as optional features.

If there where no addons and we went back to original UI, I'd definitively stop my sub (and I've never said this before, the game can be bugged, unavailable for days, broken, exploited by griefers, they could release solo content for 2 years in a row I still would stay) and I know a great lot of people would go the same way.

Nestor · September 2014

No but as long as the features are optional and don't advantage other people I'm fine with it.

Quite frankly the Stock UI is fine for playing the game. I am also of the "less is more" camp when it comes to UI's. The less on the screen, the better.

That being said, I do like a UI that tells me what I need to know as unobtrusively as possible, like when the attribute bars are hidden unless there is damage or use. I only use one UI add on, and just a part of that, so that I have numbers on the Experience Bars.

I have some other add ons, but they are just map add ons like Destinations that I recently added (it is amazing how many things I have missed going through the maps) I also use Skyshards because the glowing light and sound is not always enough for me to see them, it's amazing how easily I miss those things, even wit the addon. I have a few add ons to help me with Crafting, but once Craft Store is ready again, I will have one add on for Crafting.

None of the add ons I use give me any information that I can not get from the game or other sources, it just helps me by giving me the information in a manner that is better for me. I would no want to expect anyone to use the same addons in the same way that I do.