Nightblade Update

Saet · September 2014

And as usual its a light armor nb. If they would actually fix our skills I think most of the issues would be stamina vs magicka.

VanHalen · September 2014

TheBull wrote: »

Through all of that there was 2 killing blows lol. So yeah I could say there is some room for balancing.

I'm about the same. DKs when tanking kill, and we are without taking a vampire successfully distracting. To confirm the words now I will take a vampire bite.

Darkonflare15 · September 2014

Yeah I stop relying on using night blade attacking skills since they use magicka. Now I only use night blade magic skills for the utility and weapons skills for attacking and I love my build because it is fun plus I am loving the medium armor buff. It makes build better.

Luvsfuzzybunnies · September 2014

Varicite wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

@kypho I did not say it was as good as other classes. I said there is no point in belittling something even further then it already is. Its like stating information that is obvious already to make a point but since it is already been known its redundant and not helping the situation. You should at least come up with some positive information that a person would want to know but can't because of all the hate and negativity surrounding the subject. That is what I am trying to say.

I think the phrase 'beating a dead horse to death' would fit nicely here.

There wouldn't be a dead horse to beat if ZOS would just GET OFF THEIR BLOODY ARSES AND FIX NBs ALREADY!

A large part of the problem is that everybody wants NBs "fixed", but even in this thread, there isn't really any sort of consensus on what is actually broken, aside from Shadow Cloak.

The rest of it is basically just a lot of misconceptions, outright falsehoods, and "Sorc has this, give me this, DK has this, give me this."

ZOS has been pushing fixes out to the class slowly over time, and NBs are in a pretty good place overall when comparing actual ability to play the game.

Cloth/staff NBs are doing excellently in both PvE and PvP, there are some pretty good stamina-based NB builds floating around now that are able to consistently break the 1k DPS wall in Trials, and of course the Sorc is still the best class in the game for stealth ganking.

Defensively, they are lacking compared to some other classes, as it was designed to be more elusive via use of Cloak, teleports, speed boosts, etc. If the major crux of NB defense (Shadow Cloak) was fixed, this would be a lot more viable, imo.

Offensively in PvP, NBs have access to a few choice actions that other classes don't, like a CC that works even while your opponent is blocking, shades (teleport or stamina drain morphs), etc.

I think that as long as they continue to move in the right direction, things are fine. There are some really great NB builds out there, and some awesome NB players.

Of course, as w/ any class, your mileage may vary. I honestly believe that NBs were seen as the underdog for so long, that even now when they are MUCH, MUCH better than at launch, some players fail to grasp some of the potential of the class' strengths and then simply blame the tools instead of their own skill.

I'm not the best NB out there, but most often when things go wrong, I try to see what I have at my disposal and what I did wrong in the situation, and usually there are things that I could have done better.

Fixed it for you in bold in case it wasn't too easy to spot.

Kypho · September 2014

Saet wrote: »

And as usual its a light armor nb. If they would actually fix our skills I think most of the issues would be stamina vs magicka.

Pijamablade again? ohh how nice... play as you want crap.... I dont want to be in pijama because it was not stated anywhere, that you need to be in that crap to be able to do that... mehh... OFC i used pijama to solo clagroln easier than in medium, but thats lolPVE.

Darkonflare15 · September 2014

Kypho wrote: »

Saet wrote: »

And as usual its a light armor nb. If they would actually fix our skills I think most of the issues would be stamina vs magicka.

Pijamablade again? ohh how nice... play as you want crap.... I dont want to be in pijama because it was not stated anywhere, that you need to be in that crap to be able to do that... mehh... OFC i used pijama to solo clagroln easier than in medium, but thats lolPVE.

You again. Why don't you play in medium in armor and be a man. Oh but for somebody who do not like light armor and do not care much for pve you sure love to talk about it.You sound so much like a baby who cannot get his way. If you do not want to play in pajamas than don't. No one is stopping you and if it is hard suck it up and be a man and push forward.

VanHalen · September 2014

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Saet wrote: »

And as usual its a light armor nb. If they would actually fix our skills I think most of the issues would be stamina vs magicka.

Pijamablade again? ohh how nice... play as you want crap.... I dont want to be in pijama because it was not stated anywhere, that you need to be in that crap to be able to do that... mehh... OFC i used pijama to solo clagroln easier than in medium, but thats lolPVE.

You again. Why don't you play in medium in armor and be a man. Oh but for somebody who do not like light armor and do not care much for pve you sure love to talk about it.You sound so much like a baby who cannot get his way. If you do not want to play in pajamas than don't. No one is stopping you and if it is hard suck it up and be a man and push forward.

Do not you understand, this topic is designed to order that we written what nb weaknesses. As long as we do this, the zos will not have to nerf us.) Should always write that all is broken and we do not want to wear a light sundress.

Darkonflare15 · September 2014

VanHalen wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Saet wrote: »

And as usual its a light armor nb. If they would actually fix our skills I think most of the issues would be stamina vs magicka.

Pijamablade again? ohh how nice... play as you want crap.... I dont want to be in pijama because it was not stated anywhere, that you need to be in that crap to be able to do that... mehh... OFC i used pijama to solo clagroln easier than in medium, but thats lolPVE.

You again. Why don't you play in medium in armor and be a man. Oh but for somebody who do not like light armor and do not care much for pve you sure love to talk about it.You sound so much like a baby who cannot get his way. If you do not want to play in pajamas than don't. No one is stopping you and if it is hard suck it up and be a man and push forward.

Do not you understand, this topic is designed to order that we written what nb weaknesses. As long as we do this, the zos will not have to nerf us.) Should always write that all is broken and we do not want to wear a light sundress.

Well it is doing the opposite effect the more we complain about having to be in a dress for night blades to be effective and the more we complain about how skills not working the more we seem to get nerf.

venomsky · September 2014

nerf

VanHalen wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA6JgDN1DNk
Zenimax, fix nightblades! All skills are broken, remains the only one to use. Why enemies still do not fall from one of our sight? Make us opblades, please.

yes ur right khajit racial skills should be nerfed!

Jacques Berge · September 2014

WE DID IT GUYS!!! MAGELIGHT GOT ITS NERF!!! .... WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!!

Darkonflare15 · September 2014

Jacques Berge wrote: »

WE DID IT GUYS!!! MAGELIGHT GOT ITS NERF!!! .... WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!!

Well now magelight actually makes sense now. It now just reveals enemies to the caster instead of removing their hidden or invisibility status.

lathbury · September 2014

pjama blades lol. well the light armour resto users ie the only ones close to sorc dk dps just got a 10% nerf. so now all nb are in the same boat regardless of weapon or armour. unfortunately ZOS seem determined to sink it.

VanHalen · September 2014

Jacques Berge wrote: »

WE DID IT GUYS!!! MAGELIGHT GOT ITS NERF!!! .... WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!!

Congratulations! But we should not relax, we will continue to write, it no difference and we still supposedly

the weakest class.

VanHalen · September 2014

venomsky wrote: »

yes ur right khajit racial skills should be nerfed!

Just been here werewolf. That's who need nerf

Shikardos · September 2014

Killers Blade\Impale (Assassins blade), Ambush\Lotus fan (teleport strike), Death stroke and Velled Strike....its a melee strikes, right? and they use a weapon crit...but why they based on a spell damage power??? its make me so HODOR...or maybe I'm wrong

Jacques Berge · September 2014

Nah, you're correct... It kinda makes sense but then again its still kind of dumb

Reremnu · September 2014

It's not dumb. NB summons magical blades, strength of those depend on a spell power. Small spell power = dull weapon = small damage.

Kypho · September 2014

Sadly its true. It looks like NB summons magical blades... shame but true

like Oplar the spears.

Shikardos · September 2014

Reremnu wrote: »

It's not dumb. NB summons magical blades, strength of those depend on a spell power. Small spell power = dull weapon = small damage.

O rly? Magical blades right? ok...so why this "magical blades"
use weapon crit???

Shikardos · September 2014

if ability use a mana - spell crit+ spell damage....or weapon crit + weapon damage

Reremnu · September 2014

Shikardos wrote: »

Reremnu wrote: »

It's not dumb. NB summons magical blades, strength of those depend on a spell power. Small spell power = dull weapon = small damage.

O rly? Magical blades right? ok...so why this "magical blades"
use weapon crit???

It physical weapon. When one is fighting with a sword or a dagger it does not matter from what kind of material is a weapon made of. It is just a dagger/sword. Your skill in weapon usage (weapon crit) only matters.

Shikardos · September 2014

Reremnu wrote: »

It physical weapon

LOL if that physical weapon why it uses SPELL power ???

Reremnu wrote: »

IWhen one is fighting with a sword or a dagger it does not matter from what kind of material is a weapon made of. It is just a dagger/sword. Your skill in weapon usage (weapon crit) only matters.

I speak about CLASS skill - Killers Blade\Impale (Assassins blade), Ambush\Lotus fan (teleport strike), Death stroke and Velled Strike with any morph! this is abilitys uses a WEAPON crit but uses SPELL damage. WHY?

WHy not a Weapon damage??

Jacques Berge · September 2014

I'm actually fine with the current set up... But u would also be cool with certain skills using what ever crit stat that's higher or even a singular crit stat. Honestly, most arguments regarding this discussion pose very valid points.

Jacques Berge · September 2014

Also... I love the new update... I feel as though Melee based NB is now borderline unstoppable. Just today I killed 7 DKs, 3 NBs, and 4 Templars 1v1, all within 30 mins... 0 deaths ... Not sure where all the sorc were but I'm pretty happy with where we're headed.

Reremnu · September 2014

Shikardos wrote: »

WHy not a Weapon damage??

Reremnu wrote: »

NB summons magical blades, strength of those depend on a spell power. Small spell power = dull weapon = small damage.

Shikardos · September 2014

Reremnu wrote: »

NB summons magical blades, strength of those depend on a spell power. Small spell power = dull weapon = small damage.

O rly? Magical blades right? ok...so why this "magical blades"
use weapon crit???[/quote]

Darkonflare15 · September 2014

Shikardos wrote: »

Reremnu wrote: »

It physical weapon

LOL if that physical weapon why it uses SPELL power ???

Reremnu wrote: »

IWhen one is fighting with a sword or a dagger it does not matter from what kind of material is a weapon made of. It is just a dagger/sword. Your skill in weapon usage (weapon crit) only matters.

I speak about CLASS skill - Killers Blade\Impale (Assassins blade), Ambush\Lotus fan (teleport strike), Death stroke and Velled Strike with any morph! this is abilitys uses a WEAPON crit but uses SPELL damage. WHY? WHy not a Weapon damage??

Shikardos wrote: »

Reremnu wrote: »

NB summons magical blades, strength of those depend on a spell power. Small spell power = dull weapon = small damage.

O rly? Magical blades right? ok...so why this "magical blades"
use weapon crit???

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Weapon power is base pretty much off of your weapon that you are holding while weapon crit is not.
So it does make sense that the physical magical skills of NB use spell power but use weapon crit since it is a magical spell attack that becomes physical so that can crit with weapon crit.
Weapon crit is base off any weapon that is doing critical damage. Since a move like killer's blade is conceive from magic it should use spell damage but since it use as a weapon it should use weapon crit instead of spell crit.
This would also make sense reverse as well if you have spell attack that comes from your weapon than this would use weapon power for the damage but the attack itself would be a spell attack so it would use spell crit.

glak · September 2014

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

This would also make sense reverse as well if you have spell attack that comes from your weapon than this would use weapon power for the damage but the attack itself would be a spell attack so it would use spell crit.

Did this line of thinking give us acid weapon dots that use spell crit?

Darkonflare15 · September 2014

glak wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

This would also make sense reverse as well if you have spell attack that comes from your weapon than this would use weapon power for the damage but the attack itself would be a spell attack so it would use spell crit.

Did this line of thinking give us acid weapon dots that use spell crit?

Could be but I never consider poison a type of spell since it is a physical arrow cover in poison.

eventide03b14a_ESO · September 2014

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

@eventide03b14a_ESO
Combat slow and choppy? I do not think combat is slow at all. I fight with a two handed weapon and the combat is not that slow. What I think is the problem is the reach of the enemies and movement? What is the point of dodging a attack if I am going to be hit any way? Now I just wasted stamina for nothing. Movement skills could be a lot better for everybody. If they can improve the movement of combat then it would not be so bad. Also Shades not a bad skill I can get up to 620 Dot over time with shades and I do not even have it max yet. Plus this skill debuff enemies attacks. This skill is way better than most skills that night blade have.

Sometimes hitting certain things like Q for potions or the ultimate and even sometimes the attacks themselves don't register the first time. I don't know if this is due to latency, lag, or just bad timing on my part. Frankly I think they should have the option for ability queue like many other MMO's. The reason why this would be a good idea is that it would solve all of the above problems. They also need to be more generous with the reticle targeting. When I play my nightblade and I stun and enemy I then have to look down because they have crouched to hit them. It seems pretty unnecessary to me. Maybe you haven't experienced this yourself. That's great, I have.