Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Yet sorcerers can stack shields, BE 20+ times and instacast for 1k.

Except that isn't remotely true.

Stop man. You must not have played any other classes. Sorcerers magicka efficiency, damage mitigation and speed are out of control.

sorry for the derail OP.

You're right. I've never played another class. What I have done however is played a Sorc in PVP longer than all but a handful of players out there and I know it very well.

No Sorc can bolt escape 20 times or even remotely close to that. I can Bolt Escape for half of that and there isn't a non-emperor sorc in the game who can do it more than me. My crystal frags in full legendary gear hit for 749.

If you want to present an argument, use facts, not garbage.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ckzH5oMifVw
There was point here (1:17) were BE was cast 17 times, while casting other spells.

I rest my case.

He did use potions as well I will not ignore the facts but it is excessive and exchanging an unused stat for massive amounts of health and Magicka is kind of op..

What are you even talking about? Dark Exchange? Yes I've min/maxed by build around using Dark exchange, it's easily preventable by one or two dozen abilities. Clearly OP since you don't like it and apparently don't understand how it works.

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Yeah with two potions, magicka return from harness magicka and over a minute of time with magicka return.

I could cast Bolt escape far more than 20 times if I were to wait 4 seconds between each cast. Any class could cast ANY spell every 4 seconds an infinite number of times. What's your point?

If I cast Bolt Escape as fast as I can press the key I get 9 of them, 10 if I'm lagging some and had an extra regen tick in.

I don't even know why I'm debating your absurd charges anyways.

I disagree show me a nb who can cast cloak every 4 second infinitely and we can talk.

Cloak at 420 magicka has nearly the same base cost as Bolt Escape.

The softcap of Magicka return is ~137 and is easily achieved which is 274 Magicka ever 4 seconds. Light armor, seducer and 3 spell reduction enchants would make Dark Cloak cost 257 Magicka thus giving a NB the ability to cast this spell an infinite number of times every 4 seconds.

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

Paidkilla wrote: »

Been playing a NB since beta, I use to hate BE all i did was complain about it. Then i leveled up a Sorc. You dont get BE till 42 in SC and i can tell you sorcs are almost helpless without it. In Blackwater there is no survivability at all vs guys spamming invasions and nb's spamming ambush. You cant really take BE away while everyone else is spamming gap closers. So i changed my point on Be i really think the class would be unplayable without it. Sorcs can get predictable i always would invasion and hold in block for half a second the minute i connected with them cause i knew they would hit streak. they can be run down, but become fresh meat you take the skill away.

Theyea have all the gap closers everyone else does.. this is the only teleport ability that does not have to have a target to cast. Make bolt escape require a target and I will call it fixed. Even if it is something they can put on the ground I think that would be appropriate then you could kite but not immediately run out of gap closer range which would be exactly what it needs to be.

That has to be one of the most absurd suggestions I've seen. God, return me to WoW and their stupid totems please. What is with you people trying to homogenize every class into the same ball of garbage. Every class is *supposed* to have abilities that no other classes have. Templars have eclipse and sun shield, DKs talons and reflective scales, Night blades have Mass Hysteria and Mark Target and Dark cloak. EVERY class has abilities that are unique and no other class has anything like it.

Sorcs HAVE to have a chance to pull out of range. We're the squishiest class in the game and we have zero defensive abilities outside of Bolt Escape.

Just because you can't kill every sorc you see with your cookie cutter bow build doesn't mean they should be nerfed. If you want to be able to chase down sorcs you'll need to trade that bow for a 2 hander.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

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Shield stacking in contrast to sneak speed has never been officially declared as not intented. It exists since beginning, was discovered in very early beta and still, you act as if it would be commonly known as something comparable to an exploit. You even set both on par in your title, which is basically cheap propaganda.
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Shield stacking has not yet been declared as not intended.

Sneak Speed has stacked since long before Night's Silence speed bonus was even put into game.
Night's Silence stacking with vampire was not even declared as not intended when it was brought to the attention of ZOS prior to the bonus going to Live server.
It was only after players decided to complain (often with false data) about the impacts of the set that ZOS declared it as "not intended."

Now that it has been declared as "not intended" the set bonus has been completely broken such that those of us who used this set on our non-vampire characters receive no 5-piece bonus at all.
Previously, while the set was "not working as intended," it provided me the exact bonus it was listed as providing.
Now that the patch notes have declared the stacking as being "fixed" the set bonus does not work at all.

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Yet sorcerers can stack shields, BE 20+ times and instacast for 1k.

Except that isn't remotely true.

Stop man. You must not have played any other classes. Sorcerers magicka efficiency, damage mitigation and speed are out of control.

sorry for the derail OP.

You're right. I've never played another class. What I have done however is played a Sorc in PVP longer than all but a handful of players out there and I know it very well.

No Sorc can bolt escape 20 times or even remotely close to that. I can Bolt Escape for half of that and there isn't a non-emperor sorc in the game who can do it more than me. My crystal frags in full legendary gear hit for 749.

If you want to present an argument, use facts, not garbage.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ckzH5oMifVw
There was point here (1:17) were BE was cast 17 times, while casting other spells.

I rest my case.

He did use potions as well I will not ignore the facts but it is excessive and exchanging an unused stat for massive amounts of health and Magicka is kind of op..

What are you even talking about? Dark Exchange? Yes I've min/maxed by build around using Dark exchange, it's easily preventable by one or two dozen abilities. Clearly OP since you don't like it and apparently don't understand how it works.

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Yeah with two potions, magicka return from harness magicka and over a minute of time with magicka return.

I could cast Bolt escape far more than 20 times if I were to wait 4 seconds between each cast. Any class could cast ANY spell every 4 seconds an infinite number of times. What's your point?

If I cast Bolt Escape as fast as I can press the key I get 9 of them, 10 if I'm lagging some and had an extra regen tick in.

I don't even know why I'm debating your absurd charges anyways.

I disagree show me a nb who can cast cloak every 4 second infinitely and we can talk.

Cloak at 420 magicka has nearly the same base cost as Bolt Escape.

The softcap of Magicka return is ~137 and is easily achieved which is 274 Magicka ever 4 seconds. Light armor, seducer and 3 spell reduction enchants would make Dark Cloak cost 257 Magicka thus giving a NB the ability to cast this spell an infinite number of times every 4 seconds.

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

Paidkilla wrote: »

Been playing a NB since beta, I use to hate BE all i did was complain about it. Then i leveled up a Sorc. You dont get BE till 42 in SC and i can tell you sorcs are almost helpless without it. In Blackwater there is no survivability at all vs guys spamming invasions and nb's spamming ambush. You cant really take BE away while everyone else is spamming gap closers. So i changed my point on Be i really think the class would be unplayable without it. Sorcs can get predictable i always would invasion and hold in block for half a second the minute i connected with them cause i knew they would hit streak. they can be run down, but become fresh meat you take the skill away.

Theyea have all the gap closers everyone else does.. this is the only teleport ability that does not have to have a target to cast. Make bolt escape require a target and I will call it fixed. Even if it is something they can put on the ground I think that would be appropriate then you could kite but not immediately run out of gap closer range which would be exactly what it needs to be.

That has to be one of the most absurd suggestions I've seen. God, return me to WoW and their stupid totems please. What is with you people trying to homogenize every class into the same ball of garbage. Every class is *supposed* to have abilities that no other classes have. Templars have eclipse and sun shield, DKs talons and reflective scales, Night blades have Mass Hysteria and Mark Target and Dark cloak. EVERY class has abilities that are unique and no other class has anything like it.

Sorcs HAVE to have a chance to pull out of range. We're the squishiest class in the game and we have zero defensive abilities outside of Bolt Escape.

Just because you can't kill every sorc you see with your cookie cutter bow build doesn't mean they should be nerfed. If you want to be able to chase down sorcs you'll need to trade that bow for a 2 hander.

You have a massive sheild and an armor/spell pen buff that is toggled tell me again how you're the squishiest class. Imagine willy Wonka donning those words. When i mark you it debuffs me as well so act like this is a purely beneficial to the nb if you like we know better. 2 hander won't help me chase a sorc who can bolt twice before I can charge twice. I will just view you as a fotm player I've watched a video of yours and don't call running skilled at pvp but to each his own carry on with your crusade to keep bolt escape too poweful. We are of differing opinions on what balance is. I view it as a 50% chance for me to live or die while fighting an enemy of equal level(not factoring in skill). You view it as zomg either I wtf pwned that kid or just ran when he was about to kill me so he got no benefit. It's cool you like unbalanced play hopefully it won't last but let's be real.

Edit: I said you used potions to help you bolt some more since you're slow on the uptake a little. But since all you seem to like to do is flame and attack people you might have missed it.

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

This is pretty much what I have been saying for months in nightblade threads, and still people throw a fit calling me crap like elitist, a liar, etc.

It's easy to say something. Its a lot harder to prove it. You play a NB. Everyone is calling you a liar because no one in this entire game is afraid of your NB. No one.

Show us this build of you beating ass with your NB and people might listen.

But again, this thread was about sneak speed. That had nothing whatsoever to do with NB. Bunch of non-NB players came to this thread basically saying NB is OP which is ridiculously laughable.

You know what, I am done arguing. I've been doing it for 1.5 years and we are still here having the same argument. I've got better things to do than argue about a game whose PvP somehow manages to get worse with every patch.

Ive checked my nightblade's codex, repeatedly, and I have never once seen your char name in your sig. So whoever you are it is completely plausible we have never met in combat.

You address me constantly on the forum it seems, but I dont know you in game, unless youre one of the guys running with the giant zerg blobs leeching killing blows, I have likely never died to you either. I always remember who kills me in open field or alone, and never once has it been you.

I dont tend to be a "big name" presence, in any regard, I do my killing before breakfast, seven o clock.

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

you continually try to justyfy and say that the nightblade speed made them somehow overpowered when infact there is NOTHING that the speed we had allowed us to be able to do anything in combat because ALL sneak speeds we had are GONE when we come out of stealth.
we cant run scrolls with it because we are obviously out of stealth with a scroll!
nothing about sneak speeds has any effect at all in pvp. or combat of anykind.

Positioning and right timing is everything when playing a stealthy class. So yes, the horse speed sneaking was godmode.

Samadhi wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right...

Both are problems and it's good to see one of them go. Apparently it was easier to fix the speed bug first...

But what has one thing to do with the other?

Seems like some people lost their godmode speed and find other bugged skills to QQ for.

If by "fix the speed bug" you mean "bug out the set so the bonus no longer works at all," then sure.

This set has been broken since the patch. Those of us who play non-vampires and used the set to keep pace with vampires before the patch are currently sitting on zero 5-piece bonus of any kind.

Great fix. Punish non-vampire players because of the whining people directed at vampires.

I don't dissagree with you. In fact, the vampire stupidity is one of the reasons I stopped playing. 70% of the playerbase is vampires. This ain't elder scrolls...

Also I had no idea if NS set was bugged at the moment. Even so, I should not be forced to waste my armour set bonuses, just to get close (still not on-par) to vampire speed, something they get from a passive trait

Vampires are a joke, and need a total revamp in this game. At the moment any class that focuses on offence, has zero reson to not be a vampire. That's why much more than half the playerbase in PvP are vampires.

Positioning in this game means next to nothing after the first hit. Hence the issues people hold with 360 blocking.

Do you really don't know, or just defending the broken stealth vampire-NS mechanic?

Positioning and right timing means: Faster roaming around, easier to catch someone solo, since you can observe/follow your enemies while sneaking which leads to more fights = more kills, and easier to avoid geting caught by a zerg/big group, since you practically moved at horse speed while unseen.

Try playing a stealthy class without being vampire, and see how fun it is. Do the same afterwords, but being a vampire with dark stalker passive.

Don't worry I know the results, I've done it myself.

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

You have a massive sheild and an armor/spell pen buff that is toggled tell me again how you're the squishiest class. Imagine willy Wonka donning those words. When i mark you it debuffs me as well so act like this is a purely beneficial to the nb if you like we know better. 2 hander won't help me chase a sorc who can bolt twice before I can charge twice. I will just view you as a fotm player I've watched a video of yours and don't call running skilled at pvp but to each his own carry on with your crusade to keep bolt escape too poweful. We are of differing opinions on what balance is. I view it as a 50% chance for me to live or die while fighting an enemy of equal level(not factoring in skill). You view it as zomg either I wtf pwned that kid or just ran when he was about to kill me so he got no benefit. It's cool you like unbalanced play hopefully it won't last but let's be real.

Edit: I said you used potions to help you bolt some more since you're slow on the uptake a little. But since all you seem to like to do is flame and attack people you might have missed it.

A "FOTM" player who hasn't change his core build since he hit VR rank 60 days /played ago. Got it.

Stealth Nightblades who mark me are just bad players. There is no better way to say, please make sure your shields are up and you're ready for a "suprise" attack. If you're already visible and fighting me then there is some benefit to marking me as the reduction in armor will increase your damage when you're through my shields yet the debuff on you won't increase my damage since I'm already penetrating all of your spell resistance anyways. When you're just fighting shields however mark doesn't really do anything to either of us since shields don't have armor/spell ress.

My "massive" shield that absorbs 730 damage and is weaker than a shield that everyone has access to with far more utility and can be broken with a single flying blade...sounds pretty OP to me. Bound armor is an absolute joke and it doesn't offer spell penetration which isn't defensive anyways. Trading 10% of your max magicka and one of your 5 ability slots for 1000 armor is completely laughable. When have you ever seen any decent Sorc using bound armor? Any other amazing defensive abilities that awesome sorcs who are killing you are using? We have no reflective scales, we have no Blazing Shield, we have no Dark Cloak or aoe CC that can't be blocked. Bolt Escape is it.

Ak'nur has no problem chasing me down with his 2-hander but then again he has skill and I can't teach you how to play your class. I don't run from single players, never have, never will. The moment I see you or any other cookie cutter stealth bow nightblade open up on me I charge them and they die unless they're with friends in which case I put distance between us.

The problem is you're playing a stealth class as a stealth assassin and you expect to be able to kill players like myself who are built to counter players like you. I have 3700 hitpoints, a sword and shield, 3 magical shields, and magelight on 2 bars for a reason. You don't have a chance to kill not because of exceptional skill on my part but because I've sacrificed much in my build to kill people like you and if you could still kill me then nightblades would be ridiculously OP.

Your problem is you feel that this game with a nearly infinite combination of abilities, gearing, enchants and attributes can somehow always be balanced so that you have a 50% chance to beat a player of equal skill. This isn't a 1v1 game and even games that claim to have balanced 1 v 1 play have paper/scissors/rock approach to things as well.

When I see a sorc who is shield stackng, a DK who knows how to use reflective scales, a Sword/board defensive NB, or a Templar who spams blazing shield and eclipse I don't target them or if I do I kill them last because they are not good targets for me. Maybe you should learn the limitations of your build and quit expecting the devs to design the game around your desires.

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

You have a massive sheild and an armor/spell pen buff that is toggled tell me again how you're the squishiest class. Imagine willy Wonka donning those words. When i mark you it debuffs me as well so act like this is a purely beneficial to the nb if you like we know better. 2 hander won't help me chase a sorc who can bolt twice before I can charge twice. I will just view you as a fotm player I've watched a video of yours and don't call running skilled at pvp but to each his own carry on with your crusade to keep bolt escape too poweful. We are of differing opinions on what balance is. I view it as a 50% chance for me to live or die while fighting an enemy of equal level(not factoring in skill). You view it as zomg either I wtf pwned that kid or just ran when he was about to kill me so he got no benefit. It's cool you like unbalanced play hopefully it won't last but let's be real.

Edit: I said you used potions to help you bolt some more since you're slow on the uptake a little. But since all you seem to like to do is flame and attack people you might have missed it.

A "FOTM" player who hasn't change his core build since he hit VR rank 60 days /played ago. Got it.

Stealth Nightblades who mark me are just bad players. There is no better way to say, please make sure your shields are up and you're ready for a "suprise" attack. If you're already visible and fighting me then there is some benefit to marking me as the reduction in armor will increase your damage when you're through my shields yet the debuff on you won't increase my damage since I'm already penetrating all of your spell resistance anyways. When you're just fighting shields however mark doesn't really do anything to either of us since shields don't have armor/spell ress.

My "massive" shield that absorbs 730 damage and is weaker than a shield that everyone has access to with far more utility and can be broken with a single flying blade...sounds pretty OP to me. Bound armor is an absolute joke and it doesn't offer spell penetration which isn't defensive anyways. Trading 10% of your max magicka and one of your 5 ability slots for 1000 armor is completely laughable. When have you ever seen any decent Sorc using bound armor? Any other amazing defensive abilities that awesome sorcs who are killing you are using? We have no reflective scales, we have no Blazing Shield, we have no Dark Cloak or aoe CC that can't be blocked. Bolt Escape is it.

Ak'nur has no problem chasing me down with his 2-hander but then again he has skill and I can't teach you how to play your class. I don't run from single players, never have, never will. The moment I see you or any other cookie cutter stealth bow nightblade open up on me I charge them and they die unless they're with friends in which case I put distance between us.

The problem is you're playing a stealth class as a stealth assassin and you expect to be able to kill players like myself who are built to counter players like you. I have 3700 hitpoints, a sword and shield, 3 magical shields, and magelight on 2 bars for a reason. You don't have a chance to kill not because of exceptional skill on my part but because I've sacrificed much in my build to kill people like you and if you could still kill me then nightblades would be ridiculously OP.

Your problem is you feel that this game with a nearly infinite combination of abilities, gearing, enchants and attributes can somehow always be balanced so that you have a 50% chance to beat a player of equal skill. This isn't a 1v1 game and even games that claim to have balanced 1 v 1 play have paper/scissors/rock approach to things as well.

When I see a sorc who is shield stackng, a DK who knows how to use reflective scales, a Sword/board defensive NB, or a Templar who spams blazing shield and eclipse I don't target them or if I do I kill them last because they are not good targets for me. Maybe you should learn the limitations of your build and quit expecting the devs to design the game around your desires.

to be fair, the NBs cloak is mostly unreliable.:)

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

you continually try to justyfy and say that the nightblade speed made them somehow overpowered when infact there is NOTHING that the speed we had allowed us to be able to do anything in combat because ALL sneak speeds we had are GONE when we come out of stealth.
we cant run scrolls with it because we are obviously out of stealth with a scroll!
nothing about sneak speeds has any effect at all in pvp. or combat of anykind.

Positioning and right timing is everything when playing a stealthy class. So yes, the horse speed sneaking was godmode.

Samadhi wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right...

Both are problems and it's good to see one of them go. Apparently it was easier to fix the speed bug first...

But what has one thing to do with the other?

Seems like some people lost their godmode speed and find other bugged skills to QQ for.

If by "fix the speed bug" you mean "bug out the set so the bonus no longer works at all," then sure.

This set has been broken since the patch. Those of us who play non-vampires and used the set to keep pace with vampires before the patch are currently sitting on zero 5-piece bonus of any kind.

Great fix. Punish non-vampire players because of the whining people directed at vampires.

I don't dissagree with you. In fact, the vampire stupidity is one of the reasons I stopped playing. 70% of the playerbase is vampires. This ain't elder scrolls...

Also I had no idea if NS set was bugged at the moment. Even so, I should not be forced to waste my armour set bonuses, just to get close (still not on-par) to vampire speed, something they get from a passive trait

Vampires are a joke, and need a total revamp in this game. At the moment any class that focuses on offence, has zero reson to not be a vampire. That's why much more than half the playerbase in PvP are vampires.

Positioning in this game means next to nothing after the first hit. Hence the issues people hold with 360 blocking.

Do you really don't know, or just defending the broken stealth vampire-NS mechanic?

Positioning and right timing means: Faster roaming around, easier to catch someone solo, since you can observe/follow your enemies while sneaking which leads to more fights = more kills, and easier to avoid geting caught by a zerg/big group, since you practically moved at horse speed while unseen.

Try playing a stealthy class without being vampire, and see how fun it is. Do the same afterwords, but being a vampire with dark stalker passive.

Don't worry I know the results, I've done it myself.

I've done both for me it's fun either way. I do however disagree that the speed is op. And positioning means nothing outside of first hit from stealth. If you would like to refute my claim by all means we can meet up in game and test it out to see if being behind someone while.blocking shows anything different from being in front while they are blocking(inferring engaged in combat now and not attacking from behind for first out of stealth ability). You cannot be in combat and benefit from this speed so no one is sneaking away from combat at horse speed. If that's the case fix that and problem solved. As far a a stealthy class if you are referring to nb they do not benefit from this anymore than any other class does. A lot of nightblades chose to use it sure but I do not see how that made this a nb only set. You disregard facts and make up a positioning argument to no avail. If you were worried about positioning so much you could have put on those sets and become a vampire but this was not the playstyle you chose. Then when you got to where you were going you could switch back to your actual pvp set and unload your damage. I just didn't see the issue with the set especially considering it was available to all players. If they put a passive q60% speed buff on sneak for just nightblades ok I can see the issue there but this was not the case. Anything else I can clear up for you?

Mykah wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

You have a massive sheild and an armor/spell pen buff that is toggled tell me again how you're the squishiest class. Imagine willy Wonka donning those words. When i mark you it debuffs me as well so act like this is a purely beneficial to the nb if you like we know better. 2 hander won't help me chase a sorc who can bolt twice before I can charge twice. I will just view you as a fotm player I've watched a video of yours and don't call running skilled at pvp but to each his own carry on with your crusade to keep bolt escape too poweful. We are of differing opinions on what balance is. I view it as a 50% chance for me to live or die while fighting an enemy of equal level(not factoring in skill). You view it as zomg either I wtf pwned that kid or just ran when he was about to kill me so he got no benefit. It's cool you like unbalanced play hopefully it won't last but let's be real.

Edit: I said you used potions to help you bolt some more since you're slow on the uptake a little. But since all you seem to like to do is flame and attack people you might have missed it.

A "FOTM" player who hasn't change his core build since he hit VR rank 60 days /played ago. Got it.

Stealth Nightblades who mark me are just bad players. There is no better way to say, please make sure your shields are up and you're ready for a "suprise" attack. If you're already visible and fighting me then there is some benefit to marking me as the reduction in armor will increase your damage when you're through my shields yet the debuff on you won't increase my damage since I'm already penetrating all of your spell resistance anyways. When you're just fighting shields however mark doesn't really do anything to either of us since shields don't have armor/spell ress.

My "massive" shield that absorbs 730 damage and is weaker than a shield that everyone has access to with far more utility and can be broken with a single flying blade...sounds pretty OP to me. Bound armor is an absolute joke and it doesn't offer spell penetration which isn't defensive anyways. Trading 10% of your max magicka and one of your 5 ability slots for 1000 armor is completely laughable. When have you ever seen any decent Sorc using bound armor? Any other amazing defensive abilities that awesome sorcs who are killing you are using? We have no reflective scales, we have no Blazing Shield, we have no Dark Cloak or aoe CC that can't be blocked. Bolt Escape is it.

Ak'nur has no problem chasing me down with his 2-hander but then again he has skill and I can't teach you how to play your class. I don't run from single players, never have, never will. The moment I see you or any other cookie cutter stealth bow nightblade open up on me I charge them and they die unless they're with friends in which case I put distance between us.

The problem is you're playing a stealth class as a stealth assassin and you expect to be able to kill players like myself who are built to counter players like you. I have 3700 hitpoints, a sword and shield, 3 magical shields, and magelight on 2 bars for a reason. You don't have a chance to kill not because of exceptional skill on my part but because I've sacrificed much in my build to kill people like you and if you could still kill me then nightblades would be ridiculously OP.

Your problem is you feel that this game with a nearly infinite combination of abilities, gearing, enchants and attributes can somehow always be balanced so that you have a 50% chance to beat a player of equal skill. This isn't a 1v1 game and even games that claim to have balanced 1 v 1 play have paper/scissors/rock approach to things as well.

When I see a sorc who is shield stackng, a DK who knows how to use reflective scales, a Sword/board defensive NB, or a Templar who spams blazing shield and eclipse I don't target them or if I do I kill them last because they are not good targets for me. Maybe you should learn the limitations of your build and quit expecting the devs to design the game around your desires.

So you hold 360 block and spam 3 shields in light armor, use invasion, bolt escape, crystal shards, perhaps annulment and dark exchange.

Did I miss anything? You ARE FOTM despite 60 days nerded.

They need to overhaul block mechanics entirely and add cast times to shield abilities or guys like this will continue with cheese d*** light armor turtle builds.

Or better yet, make Mark Target ignore shields on the target and see how you do trying to face tank a stamina build melee assassin combo weaving 3 attacks at you a second while you back peddle holding block and spamming shield/bolt with out so much as targeting him.

Well said.

I think I can safely say talking to a certain sorc is about worthless because he can't get past the issues present in this game. Good luck to him I wish him luck in the future. I shall not acknowledge him because he simply refuses to see anything from both sides and resorts to personal attacks when he loses an argument. I believe it was Voltaire who once said personal attacks are sign of an argument lost. Not in those exact word but it was the just of it.

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

I've done both for me it's fun either way. I do however disagree that the speed is op. And positioning means nothing outside of first hit from stealth. If you would like to refute my claim by all means we can meet up in game and test it out to see if being behind someone while.blocking shows anything different from being in front while they are blocking(inferring engaged in combat now and not attacking from behind for first out of stealth ability). You cannot be in combat and benefit from this speed so no one is sneaking away from combat at horse speed. If that's the case fix that and problem solved. As far a a stealthy class if you are referring to nb they do not benefit from this anymore than any other class does. A lot of nightblades chose to use it sure but I do not see how that made this a nb only set. You disregard facts and make up a positioning argument to no avail. If you were worried about positioning so much you could have put on those sets and become a vampire but this was not the playstyle you chose. Then when you got to where you were going you could switch back to your actual pvp set and unload your damage. I just didn't see the issue with the set especially considering it was available to all players. If they put a passive q60% speed buff on sneak for just nightblades ok I can see the issue there but this was not the case. Anything else I can clear up for you?

First of all in order for us to test something together in-game, you would have to pay for my sub, because there's no way for me to pay in order to play such a mess of a game

Anyways, on point, when I played I pretty much always roamed in PvP looking for small group action, or solo players. I played a burst dmg NB. I had a friend who was a vampire from pretty much the start, also a NB, and we roamed together on Cyrodiil when both of us were online. He always had to wait for me because of the massive difference in sneak speed of vamp vs mortals. When Night's Silence set was introduced, the difference was so ridiculous, we made a test. We would roam solo for 1 whole day in Cyrodiil, and we'd count our kills and deaths in the end of day. The result was:
-me: kills 64, deaths 19
-him: kills 158, deaths 7

This shows how important it is to be able to pick your fights, or run away when you are needed to.

We played all the time solo, never joined a zerg, and only entered combat on solo and small group fights.

So no, the speed stacking is not OP with the meaning of: 50 people could not kill one person, but moving at horse speed while unseen gives you double the oportunities of any other player, especially when you play a class that is relying on stealth.

The current meta for roaming around in "PvP" is either be a vamp, or get the f* out.

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

So you hold 360 block and spam 3 shields in light armor, use invasion, bolt escape, crystal shards, perhaps annulment and dark exchange.

Did I miss anything? You ARE FOTM despite 60 days nerded.

They need to overhaul block mechanics entirely and add cast times to shield abilities or guys like this will continue with cheese d*** light armor turtle builds.

Or better yet, make Mark Target ignore shields on the target and see how you do trying to face tank a stamina build melee assassin combo weaving 3 attacks at you a second while you back peddle holding block and spamming shield/bolt with out so much as targeting him.

I just want to know why there isn't a single good nightblade complaining about this garbage on these forums?

You know why? They're too busy being effective and knowing it in Cyrodiil to complain about problems they've found ways to counter and/or compensate for.

I ran into another great Nightblade last night who I had difficulty killing solo where before I never did....Underworld Assassin was his name. He added a Healing Ward to his off bar and guess what...he was suddenly effective. Amazing what happens when instead of banging your head against a walling trying to fit a square peg in a round hole you adapt your build to strengthen your weaknesses.

I don't use Invasion by the way. I've never seen a good sorc who does.

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

I've done both for me it's fun either way. I do however disagree that the speed is op. And positioning means nothing outside of first hit from stealth. If you would like to refute my claim by all means we can meet up in game and test it out to see if being behind someone while.blocking shows anything different from being in front while they are blocking(inferring engaged in combat now and not attacking from behind for first out of stealth ability). You cannot be in combat and benefit from this speed so no one is sneaking away from combat at horse speed. If that's the case fix that and problem solved. As far a a stealthy class if you are referring to nb they do not benefit from this anymore than any other class does. A lot of nightblades chose to use it sure but I do not see how that made this a nb only set. You disregard facts and make up a positioning argument to no avail. If you were worried about positioning so much you could have put on those sets and become a vampire but this was not the playstyle you chose. Then when you got to where you were going you could switch back to your actual pvp set and unload your damage. I just didn't see the issue with the set especially considering it was available to all players. If they put a passive q60% speed buff on sneak for just nightblades ok I can see the issue there but this was not the case. Anything else I can clear up for you?

First of all in order for us to test something together in-game, you would have to pay for my sub, because there's no way for me to pay in order to play such a mess of a game

Anyways, on point, when I played I pretty much always roamed in PvP looking for small group action, or solo players. I played a burst dmg NB. I had a friend who was a vampire from pretty much the start, also a NB, and we roamed together on Cyrodiil when both of us were online. He always had to wait for me because of the massive difference in sneak speed of vamp vs mortals. When Night's Silence set was introduced, the difference was so ridiculous, we made a test. We would roam solo for 1 whole day in Cyrodiil, and we'd count our kills and deaths in the end of day. The result was:
-me: kills 64, deaths 19
-him: kills 158, deaths 7

This shows how important it is to be able to pick your fights, or run away when you are needed to.

We played all the time solo, never joined a zerg, and only entered combat on solo and small group fights.

So no, the speed stacking is not OP with the meaning of: 50 people could not kill one person, but moving at horse speed while unseen gives you double the oportunities of any other player, especially when you play a class that is relying on stealth.

The current meta for roaming around in "PvP" is either be a vamp, or get the f* out.

Good illustration of the problem with the Night's Silence benefit.

I think your concluding sentence is inaccurate however and you should insert a "Stealth Gankers" in there somewhere. I certainly never stealth unless I'm AFK or alt/tabbed and I do more than fine as solo.

i see you on a daily basis in cryodiil, i watch you repeatedly and daily use bolt escape to kill 6 or more people at a time and tank up to 10 people, you allways target and hunt for us nightblades. i know for a fact those speeds we had were of no harm at all in pvp and only allowed us to escape constant death.
you brag to the point of even making videos showing yourself in a godlike mode in elderscrolls online as if it's an intended feature to use bolt escape as a means to achieve a skilled position when infact there is no skill whatsoever in your work. it's cheating.

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

So you hold 360 block and spam 3 shields in light armor, use invasion, bolt escape, crystal shards, perhaps annulment and dark exchange.

Did I miss anything? You ARE FOTM despite 60 days nerded.

They need to overhaul block mechanics entirely and add cast times to shield abilities or guys like this will continue with cheese d*** light armor turtle builds.

Or better yet, make Mark Target ignore shields on the target and see how you do trying to face tank a stamina build melee assassin combo weaving 3 attacks at you a second while you back peddle holding block and spamming shield/bolt with out so much as targeting him.

I just want to know why there isn't a single good nightblade complaining about this garbage on these forums?

You know why? They're too busy being effective and knowing it in Cyrodiil to complain about problems they've found ways to counter and/or compensate for.

I ran into another great Nightblade last night who I had difficulty killing solo where before I never did....Underworld Assassin was his name. He added a Healing Ward to his off bar and guess what...he was suddenly effective. Amazing what happens when instead of banging your head against a walling trying to fit a square peg in a round hole you adapt your build to strengthen your weaknesses.

I don't use Invasion by the way. I've never seen a good sorc who does.

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

I've done both for me it's fun either way. I do however disagree that the speed is op. And positioning means nothing outside of first hit from stealth. If you would like to refute my claim by all means we can meet up in game and test it out to see if being behind someone while.blocking shows anything different from being in front while they are blocking(inferring engaged in combat now and not attacking from behind for first out of stealth ability). You cannot be in combat and benefit from this speed so no one is sneaking away from combat at horse speed. If that's the case fix that and problem solved. As far a a stealthy class if you are referring to nb they do not benefit from this anymore than any other class does. A lot of nightblades chose to use it sure but I do not see how that made this a nb only set. You disregard facts and make up a positioning argument to no avail. If you were worried about positioning so much you could have put on those sets and become a vampire but this was not the playstyle you chose. Then when you got to where you were going you could switch back to your actual pvp set and unload your damage. I just didn't see the issue with the set especially considering it was available to all players. If they put a passive q60% speed buff on sneak for just nightblades ok I can see the issue there but this was not the case. Anything else I can clear up for you?

First of all in order for us to test something together in-game, you would have to pay for my sub, because there's no way for me to pay in order to play such a mess of a game

Anyways, on point, when I played I pretty much always roamed in PvP looking for small group action, or solo players. I played a burst dmg NB. I had a friend who was a vampire from pretty much the start, also a NB, and we roamed together on Cyrodiil when both of us were online. He always had to wait for me because of the massive difference in sneak speed of vamp vs mortals. When Night's Silence set was introduced, the difference was so ridiculous, we made a test. We would roam solo for 1 whole day in Cyrodiil, and we'd count our kills and deaths in the end of day. The result was:
-me: kills 64, deaths 19
-him: kills 158, deaths 7

This shows how important it is to be able to pick your fights, or run away when you are needed to.

We played all the time solo, never joined a zerg, and only entered combat on solo and small group fights.

So no, the speed stacking is not OP with the meaning of: 50 people could not kill one person, but moving at horse speed while unseen gives you double the oportunities of any other player, especially when you play a class that is relying on stealth.

The current meta for roaming around in "PvP" is either be a vamp, or get the f* out.

Good illustration of the problem with the Night's Silence benefit.

I think your concluding sentence is inaccurate however and you should insert a "Stealth Gankers" in there somewhere. I certainly never stealth unless I'm AFK or alt/tabbed and I do more than fine as solo.

i see you on a daily basis in cryodiil, i watch you repeatedly and daily use bolt escape to kill 6 or more people at a time and tank up to 10 people, you allways target and hunt for us nightblades. i know for a fact those speeds we had were of no harm at all in pvp and only allowed us to escape constant death.
you brag to the point of even making videos showing yourself in a godlike mode in elderscrolls online as if it's an intended feature to use bolt escape as a means to achieve a skilled position when infact there is no skill whatsoever in your work. it's cheating.

I kill Sorcs with equal relish. The nightblades I kill are the ones who constantly position (and expose) themselves behind me. The thing is, they are usually the ones that at some point get me so should I just ignore them and go for the shield spamming templar or the block holding reflective scales DK?

AvA PvP is all about picking your targets and maximizing your efficiency. I mentioned earlier that my entire build was designed to kill stealth nightblades and that's true. That's why the majority of my detractors are those very people.

Do I call your stealth attacks that hit me for 2700+ damage cheating? No.

Does my use of intended game mechanics to defeat a large segment of players who do nothing but attack players from stealth who have next to zero chance of survival give me enjoyment? It does. Especially since those are the same players who will typically continue the same strategy over and over and over again, failing each and every time yet they will never consider that the problem in on their end.

And for the record I can "Tank" maybe 3 people at one time for a short period of time, no different than most other classes, especially when they are defensively built as I am. When there is more than that, or I recognize that I stand zero chance at killing the players I'm engaged with I instead divide and conquer them. At no point can I make them chase or follow me and at no point are any of them in a position where they are unable to save themselves, they all die from their own mistakes.

Many of the people I've killed have messaged me and I've given them tips on how to better fight me or what mistakes they are making in general. Every single one of the people that fall into that category are players I've noticed are much better Today than they were weeks before. The players who message me with insults (usually /ignoring me before they even send me a message) are the ones that typically die over and over and over again and never improve because they are unfortunately for them close-minded and lacking skill. My point is, there is nothing unbalance or unfair about my strategy or my build. Dozens of people out there counter me easily. Just because you don't see how to do so doesn't mean I'm somehow dishonorable or a cheater.

I lost my first campaign because me and my guild who were the top 20 players in that campaign refused to use the caltrops exploit. By the time they fixed that exploit half of my guild had already quit the game in frustration and the campaign was lost. You shouldn't throw around the word "cheating" unless you're certain of its meaning.

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

So you hold 360 block and spam 3 shields in light armor, use invasion, bolt escape, crystal shards, perhaps annulment and dark exchange.

Did I miss anything? You ARE FOTM despite 60 days nerded.

They need to overhaul block mechanics entirely and add cast times to shield abilities or guys like this will continue with cheese d*** light armor turtle builds.

Or better yet, make Mark Target ignore shields on the target and see how you do trying to face tank a stamina build melee assassin combo weaving 3 attacks at you a second while you back peddle holding block and spamming shield/bolt with out so much as targeting him.

I just want to know why there isn't a single good nightblade complaining about this garbage on these forums?

You know why? They're too busy being effective and knowing it in Cyrodiil to complain about problems they've found ways to counter and/or compensate for.

I ran into another great Nightblade last night who I had difficulty killing solo where before I never did....Underworld Assassin was his name. He added a Healing Ward to his off bar and guess what...he was suddenly effective. Amazing what happens when instead of banging your head against a walling trying to fit a square peg in a round hole you adapt your build to strengthen your weaknesses.

I don't use Invasion by the way. I've never seen a good sorc who does.

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

I've done both for me it's fun either way. I do however disagree that the speed is op. And positioning means nothing outside of first hit from stealth. If you would like to refute my claim by all means we can meet up in game and test it out to see if being behind someone while.blocking shows anything different from being in front while they are blocking(inferring engaged in combat now and not attacking from behind for first out of stealth ability). You cannot be in combat and benefit from this speed so no one is sneaking away from combat at horse speed. If that's the case fix that and problem solved. As far a a stealthy class if you are referring to nb they do not benefit from this anymore than any other class does. A lot of nightblades chose to use it sure but I do not see how that made this a nb only set. You disregard facts and make up a positioning argument to no avail. If you were worried about positioning so much you could have put on those sets and become a vampire but this was not the playstyle you chose. Then when you got to where you were going you could switch back to your actual pvp set and unload your damage. I just didn't see the issue with the set especially considering it was available to all players. If they put a passive q60% speed buff on sneak for just nightblades ok I can see the issue there but this was not the case. Anything else I can clear up for you?

First of all in order for us to test something together in-game, you would have to pay for my sub, because there's no way for me to pay in order to play such a mess of a game

Anyways, on point, when I played I pretty much always roamed in PvP looking for small group action, or solo players. I played a burst dmg NB. I had a friend who was a vampire from pretty much the start, also a NB, and we roamed together on Cyrodiil when both of us were online. He always had to wait for me because of the massive difference in sneak speed of vamp vs mortals. When Night's Silence set was introduced, the difference was so ridiculous, we made a test. We would roam solo for 1 whole day in Cyrodiil, and we'd count our kills and deaths in the end of day. The result was:
-me: kills 64, deaths 19
-him: kills 158, deaths 7

This shows how important it is to be able to pick your fights, or run away when you are needed to.

We played all the time solo, never joined a zerg, and only entered combat on solo and small group fights.

So no, the speed stacking is not OP with the meaning of: 50 people could not kill one person, but moving at horse speed while unseen gives you double the oportunities of any other player, especially when you play a class that is relying on stealth.

The current meta for roaming around in "PvP" is either be a vamp, or get the f* out.

Good illustration of the problem with the Night's Silence benefit.

I think your concluding sentence is inaccurate however and you should insert a "Stealth Gankers" in there somewhere. I certainly never stealth unless I'm AFK or alt/tabbed and I do more than fine as solo.

i see you on a daily basis in cryodiil, i watch you repeatedly and daily use bolt escape to kill 6 or more people at a time and tank up to 10 people, you allways target and hunt for us nightblades. i know for a fact those speeds we had were of no harm at all in pvp and only allowed us to escape constant death.
you brag to the point of even making videos showing yourself in a godlike mode in elderscrolls online as if it's an intended feature to use bolt escape as a means to achieve a skilled position when infact there is no skill whatsoever in your work. it's cheating.

I kill Sorcs with equal relish. The nightblades I kill are the ones who constantly position (and expose) themselves behind me. The thing is, they are usually the ones that at some point get me so should I just ignore them and go for the shield spamming templar or the block holding reflective scales DK?

AvA PvP is all about picking your targets and maximizing your efficiency. I mentioned earlier that my entire build was designed to kill stealth nightblades and that's true. That's why the majority of my detractors are those very people.

Do I call your stealth attacks that hit me for 2700+ damage cheating? No.

Does my use of intended game mechanics to defeat a large segment of players who do nothing but attack players from stealth who have next to zero chance of survival give me enjoyment? It does. Especially since those are the same players who will typically continue the same strategy over and over and over again, failing each and every time yet they will never consider that the problem in on their end.

And for the record I can "Tank" maybe 3 people at one time for a short period of time, no different than most other classes, especially when they are defensively built as I am. When there is more than that, or I recognize that I stand zero chance at killing the players I'm engaged with I instead divide and conquer them. At no point can I make them chase or follow me and at no point are any of them in a position where they are unable to save themselves, they all die from their own mistakes.

Many of the people I've killed have messaged me and I've given them tips on how to better fight me or what mistakes they are making in general. Every single one of the people that fall into that category are players I've noticed are much better Today than they were weeks before. The players who message me with insults (usually /ignoring me before they even send me a message) are the ones that typically die over and over and over again and never improve because they are unfortunately for them close-minded and lacking skill. My point is, there is nothing unbalance or unfair about my strategy or my build. Dozens of people out there counter me easily. Just because you don't see how to do so doesn't mean I'm somehow dishonorable or a cheater.

I lost my first campaign because me and my guild who were the top 20 players in that campaign refused to use the caltrops exploit. By the time they fixed that exploit half of my guild had already quit the game in frustration and the campaign was lost. You shouldn't throw around the word "cheating" unless you're certain of its meaning.

by "cheating" what i mean is that you clearly hunt for us nighblades when you KNOW for a fact our class is broken and most if not all of our skills dont even work properly, yet you not only brag about killing us but you even go as far as to make videos about doing it "THAT" to me is cheating.

I don't hunt nightblades any more than I hunt any other class. Nightblades of your profession tend to operate as loners and since I'm a solo PvPer I prefer to fight solo players or small groups versus an entire zerg I don't stand a chance against. I will say when I see a stealth Bow Nightblade I immediately go to their location as most of them are easy kills....not because of the class being broken but because that particular profession includes a high percentage of bad players...aka easy kills. It is the same thing I do when I see a sorc streaking through a group of people. I see easy kill and I focus on them and kill them.

I don't brag about killing players and my Video was more of a dig at the people who continually whisper me that "All I do is run away" than me killing nightblades. The point of the video was to outline my strategy...most of which went over people's heads but a few people surprised me by actually getting it and enjoying the message. I kill as many sorcs in that video as I do nightblades as well as several DKs so I don't see how my video has anything at all to do with nightblades.

It appears you're exhibiting this complex that I'm finding in so many nightblades that your class is somehow inferior and broken.

Every single player in my video that died, did so due to them making a mistake, usually many mistakes. I could point out each one to you if you were really interested in the truth.

The longest fight in my video was me against a DK and a nightblade. They held me off for a good 10 minutes (I cut most of the beginning out of the clip). The Nightblade and DK complimented themselves very well against me and almost had me several times. If one of them got low in health they supported each other and healed each other. It was an excellent display of skill on both of their parts I felt. The reason I won is because the nightblade made a tactical gamble and tried to finish me while her health was low. I blocked her ambush and calmly cursed and then executed her when all she had to do was continue healing herself at that time instead of gambling the entire battle on a risky attack.

There was nothing cheating about my victory at all. If the DK had reflective scales on her bar I wouldn't have been able to kill them at all so that is her fault for her setup.

Every one of those clips for the most part display some level of strategy on my part and some mistakes on the part of the people attacking me. Many of the people attacked me by just charging in as I cast lightning overload on them. No dodge rolls, no blocks, nothing but all out assault with no strategy in mind other than spam damage abilities.

I don't know how else I can explain these things to you.