All the arguments against this add up to one thing:
"I'm too lazy to feed in between Pee-Vee-Pee or quest runs."

And people call me a whiner because ZOS be stealin' mah Night's Silence/Dark Stalker bucket.

Un-fracking-believable.

If I could have my wish list for vampires...

1.) Normalise the day/night schedule to be the same 2.5-3hr length.
2.) Stages would last 1.5hrs each
3.) We would have negligable to zero(low 10s and 20s like our health)
stamina/magicka and health regen in Daylight and no sneak bonus.
(note: daylight not daytime)
4.) Leave the appearances the way they are now.
5.) Scale fire damage debuff from 40% to 70% as the stages progress
6.) At stage 1: no "social issues". At stage 2 people notice you are "ill" and
Fighter's guild NPC will not speak to you. At Stage 3 merchants and some
quest givers won't interact with you. At stage 4 you are KOS for guards
including your own faction guards in Cyrodiil.

Basicly I want it to be a pain in the a$# to be a Vampire so the FOTM crowd will abandon it, and we can stop being nerfed. I want Vampires to be weak as kittens in daylight.

But at night, we should be all that we are now and then some:
1) we should sprint faster than a horse, and sneak as fast as the Night's silence set allowed
2) we should have the same or better regen than we have now(near soft cap), health included
3) we should have a unique paralyze ability
4) We should be immune to cold and disease (fire debuff stays)
5) and please, for the love of all that's unholy, a decent bite animation. One where we lean in and bite the neck. I'm not sure what to say about the current animation, nothing I can compare it to can be described in polite company.

MornaBaine wrote: »

You are my new freaking hero. Although, to make this work, they would need to actually make day and night of equal length in the game. As it is now, a complete day/night cycle is 6 hours long....but only 2 of those hours are night. Drives me completely nuts and already acts as a gimp to vamps since we are supposedly stronger at night and weaker during the day already. And while I personally wouldn't mind being KoS to guards in Cyrodil I can already hear the shrieking of the PvPers now. So I doubt it would fly. But, again, I'd be very okay with a single wayshrine about in the middle of each zone with a small shady community that would deal with vampires...possibly at higher prices. And I still think that every half hour is still too short a time period to have to feed in order to maintain Stage 1. I'd be thrilled if it were as long as Stage 1 and 2 combined and as long as we had "vampires camps" those who feel they have an advantage by remaining at Stage 4 could do so and hopefully that would mitigate the pitch of the whining down to something that would not break the sound barrier.

Ya, thats what I meant about normalising day/night schedule. With that said, we have, I think, one skill morph affected by day/night, there needs to be more. It would still need to add up so that 4 days is more or less than 24hrs in the real world in order to not have it be day night at the same time every real life day.

A semi-related point why isn't actually dark or even especially dim at night?

The entire point is to have fewer Vampires in PVP. I have to admit I'd love to be a fly on the wall (or bat on the ceiling) the first time keep guards turned on somebody mid-battle. Group chat would be hillarious... Maybe only if the keep isn't under attack.

There certainly would need to be pockets where we could be out of the coffin so to speak. I imagine the Theives Guild and Dark Brotherhood (when we finnaly get them) would be examples and the mages guild is notoriously tollerant of those with unusual gifts.

And that bite animation. The first time I saw it in Mother's crypt, I thought it had to be a glitch. I expected to rise up behind my prey and sink fangs into an artery, instead I squat down and it looks like a kid drinking from a fountain. (there, I came up with a non-offensive description of that ridiculous animation)

Similar things should be done for Werewolves.
-toggle transformation
-major debuff to magicka and magicka regen even in human form
-above softcap health/stamina regen
-automaticly transmorm back to human if you fall below 20% health
-5 second AOE (no damage) fear effect during transformation
-very high movement speed, attack speed, and damage
-auto-transform under a full moon
-Werewolf form is Kill on sight for guards

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

If that's the case then vamps should have their own communities then. Players still need to trade etc. I can see this getting really complicated when it come to questing.

No more complicated than it was in the single player games. Show up in town at stage 3 or 4 and you will have problems. Stop by a local bandit camp/solo dungeon on the way and "make yourself presentable" by draining a couple thugs.

Besides, I'm sure the Dark Brotherhood and the Theives Guild will be accepting of our particular skills as long as we don't feed on other members.

Caspur wrote: »

I say yes they should be KoS but, only if devs implemented a vampire city. A place where vampires can go when they are at stage 4 and the guards and merchants are also vampires.

I'm all for that. Though I find most zones to be rich in delicious, nutritious NPC's and dinner before running errands works for me.

I have this picture of a human Character walking into such a city, and the image of a rabbit hopping into a kennel comes to mind.

I'll throw my vote in the hat for yes.

And while we're at it, let's add some dialogue that acknowledges that you are a bloodthirsty killing machine.

Seems like something is missing w/ everybody just being cool w/ you being a vamp.

phreatophile wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

You are my new freaking hero. Although, to make this work, they would need to actually make day and night of equal length in the game. As it is now, a complete day/night cycle is 6 hours long....but only 2 of those hours are night. Drives me completely nuts and already acts as a gimp to vamps since we are supposedly stronger at night and weaker during the day already. And while I personally wouldn't mind being KoS to guards in Cyrodil I can already hear the shrieking of the PvPers now. So I doubt it would fly. But, again, I'd be very okay with a single wayshrine about in the middle of each zone with a small shady community that would deal with vampires...possibly at higher prices. And I still think that every half hour is still too short a time period to have to feed in order to maintain Stage 1. I'd be thrilled if it were as long as Stage 1 and 2 combined and as long as we had "vampires camps" those who feel they have an advantage by remaining at Stage 4 could do so and hopefully that would mitigate the pitch of the whining down to something that would not break the sound barrier.

Ya, thats what I meant about normalising day/night schedule. With that said, we have, I think, one skill morph affected by day/night, there needs to be more. It would still need to add up so that 4 days is more or less than 24hrs in the real world in order to not have it be day night at the same time every real life day.

A semi-related point why isn't actually dark or even especially dim at night?

The entire point is to have fewer Vampires in PVP. I have to admit I'd love to be a fly on the wall (or bat on the ceiling) the first time keep guards turned on somebody mid-battle. Group chat would be hillarious... Maybe only if the keep isn't under attack.

There certainly would need to be pockets where we could be out of the coffin so to speak. I imagine the Theives Guild and Dark Brotherhood (when we finnaly get them) would be examples and the mages guild is notoriously tollerant of those with unusual gifts.

And that bite animation. The first time I saw it in Mother's crypt, I thought it had to be a glitch. I expected to rise up behind my prey and sink fangs into an artery, instead I squat down and it looks like a kid drinking from a fountain. (there, I came up with a non-offensive description of that ridiculous animation)

Similar things should be done for Werewolves.
-toggle transformation
-major debuff to magicka and magicka regen even in human form
-above softcap health/stamina regen
-automaticly transmorm back to human if you fall below 20% health
-5 second AOE (no damage) fear effect during transformation
-very high movement speed, attack speed, and damage
-auto-transform under a full moon
-Werewolf form is Kill on sight for guards

Why aren't you working on this game????? Devs! PAY ATTENTION!!!!!!

MornaBaine wrote: »

...The only people I have seen object to this are PvPers who feel being in Stage 4 gives them an advantage in PvP so they never want to be out of it. In order to appease them I would be fine with the KoS to guards at Stage 4 NOT applying in Cyrodil...

Sadly, having all penalties apply in Cyrodil is probably the most important thing I wrote. ZOS has, with very limited exception, decided that PVE and PVP will have to balance together which means they live and die together.
If we want to be able to have RP features like the ones in this thread and if we want to keep our powerful feeling characters there need to be many fewer vampires PVPing in Cyrodil. Ask yourself if it weren't for PVP DK FOTM vampires would we have received any nerfs at all? We'd still be happily zipping around in our night's silence sets and the ridiculous scene that happened in the high level zones early on with people chasing bloodfiends wouldn't have happened either. Make it one hell of a commitment to be a vampire and the folks who only care about killing other players will drop it and we can play in peace.

I don't see any real negatives in this game to being a vampire since most debuffs are overcome by other buffs. Same as with Skyrim. At a certain point, those guards couldn't even handle one master and a couple freshly turned corpses.

This game is willing to let people add vampire/werewolf. OK. Other than some very specific attacks from fighters guild or fire based/poison, which you can mitigate to a degree, particularly if you use Argonian/Dunmer as the base race, it's basically a fast track to OP.

Sure, maybe realistic, to a degree, but they aren't also required to deal with the negatives, like having guards and randoms attack you on site when they see what you are. They should, and that would at least provide some balance to their power, but without it, it's just ESO:TWILIGHT.

Probitas wrote: »

I don't see any real negatives in this game to being a vampire since most debuffs are overcome by other buffs. Same as with Skyrim. At a certain point, those guards couldn't even handle one master and a couple freshly turned corpses.

This game is willing to let people add vampire/werewolf. OK. Other than some very specific attacks from fighters guild or fire based/poison, which you can mitigate to a degree, particularly if you use Argonian/Dunmer as the base race, it's basically a fast track to OP.

Sure, maybe realistic, to a degree, but they aren't also required to deal with the negatives, like having guards and randoms attack you on site when they see what you are. They should, and that would at least provide some balance to their power, but without it, it's just ESO:TWILIGHT.

the negatives are crazy damage from siege. those very effective fighter's guild skills and weaknesses, and no health regen.

It has a lot of downsides. Plenty already.

chipputer wrote: »

phreatophile wrote: »

-major debuff to magicka and magicka regen even in human form
-above softcap health/stamina regen

Why?

I like it how they have the stats on werewolves now-- we get nothing different unless we're in form. In form we get more stamina and our melee becomes more powerful. Out of form, all we get is a passive ultimate gain that requires the ability be slotted, taking the space of our ultimate, and for us to take damage. Even then it has a cooldown so it's only 5 ultimate every 3 seconds while taking damage.

Werewolves are only powerful while transformed. Their powers and punishments should only come while in form (minus paltry passives that allow you to actually make use of your form, which is the sole purpose of the passive ultimate gain). Vampires don't have to transform. It makes sense for them to have pros and cons at all times. Werewolves aren't constantly in form.

If you were to buff any werewolves' stamina while out of form you'd simply create a new FOTM build where super tanks or super melee fighters go werewolf for the huge stamina buff (and, consequently, damage buff). You would also lock out spellcasters who would like to make use of the form in order to exhaust their magicka, in close combat, and then whip out their secret weapon, by punishing them out of form.

have you tried keeping that ultimate on your bar and using werewolf to fight things? Werewolves are not powerful when transformed. All I have to do is fear you and you can't even break free from it.

chipputer wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

have you tried keeping that ultimate on your bar and using werewolf to fight things? Werewolves are not powerful when transformed. All I have to do is fear you and you can't even break free from it.

Yes. I have.

But that wasn't the point.

well you did a fair sight better than i did. That is the point though, werewolves are weak as hell.

As a vamp on most of my characters, I like the following ideas:

-KOS to guards at Stage 4
-Vampire city

Do not like:
-Abilities dependant upon day / night cycle (I don't have a lot of time to play during the work week, and I don't like the idea of logging in, only to be gimped for the entire 2-4 hours I get to play on a weekday)

I would add:
-As part of the justice system, if we are stage 4, feed on another player or humanoid, we should get a bounty to all non-vamps, if we kill a vampire NPC, we should get a bounty to vampires

If they do something like this though, they need to give us some buffs, specific to stage 4, (and buff non-vampires so we're on an even playing field) to compensate.

Im going to go with no, unless their is a disguise option.