Dark stalker + night silence nerf

kitsinni · September 2014

no

Braddass wrote: »

kitsinni wrote: »

Braddass wrote: »

There should be an option in the Poll for them to just get rid of Vamps. Some of them have gotten so used to god-mode, and are never going to be happy when things are balanced.

Yes God mode that is why 0 of the top PvP charts used this.

I wonder what percentage of Emperors have been Vamps?

Plenty and almost all of them are Vampire Sorcs using bolt escape .. which apparently is totally fine. Also adding stacking sets Warlock + Seducer so they can use it even more is also fine. They can even have the synergy with vamp for more magicka regen to do it even more and even that is fine.

akray21 · September 2014

no

So in patch 1.4.0... "Night’s Silence: Fixed an issue where this set bonus wasn’t being applied."

In 1.4.2... "Fixed an issue where you could stack the Dark Stalker passive with the Night’s Silence..."

lolwut... So they fixed it, then nerf bat... This shows me it was intended to work as it is now...

Lorkhan · September 2014

no

akray21 wrote: »

So in patch 1.4.0... "Night’s Silence: Fixed an issue where this set bonus wasn’t being applied."

In 1.4.2... "Fixed an issue where you could stack the Dark Stalker passive with the Night’s Silence..."

lolwut... So they fixed it, then nerf bat... This shows me it was intended to work as it is now...

its a joke.

Tapio75 · September 2014

yes

fredthementenrb18_ESO wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

Could help to vote if you provided the info about HOW they will be changed.

"Fixed an issue where you could stack the Dark Stalker passive with the Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment item sets to move at mount speed. This is no longer possible—you get the bonus from either Dark Stalker or Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment."

Thanks, then i think its fair as traveling on foot should always keep at somewhat realistic speeds.

akray21 · September 2014

no

Tapio75 wrote: »

fredthementenrb18_ESO wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

Could help to vote if you provided the info about HOW they will be changed.

"Fixed an issue where you could stack the Dark Stalker passive with the Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment item sets to move at mount speed. This is no longer possible—you get the bonus from either Dark Stalker or Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment."

Thanks, then i think its fair as traveling on foot should always keep at somewhat realistic speeds.

LOL... the word 'realistic" used in reference to a fantasy MMO....

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

no

akray21 wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

fredthementenrb18_ESO wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

Could help to vote if you provided the info about HOW they will be changed.

"Fixed an issue where you could stack the Dark Stalker passive with the Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment item sets to move at mount speed. This is no longer possible—you get the bonus from either Dark Stalker or Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment."

Thanks, then i think its fair as traveling on foot should always keep at somewhat realistic speeds.

LOL... the word 'realistic" used in reference to a fantasy MMO....

it makes sense tho, I mean, I regularly summon swarms of bats that also heal my wounds in real life to destroy my enemies. It's all about realism.

Tootall2186 · September 2014

no

Such complete BS... Stop balancing PVE and PVP together. It destroyed balance in gw2 far too many times and you keep doing it to eso too.

For starters.

- The vamp+ set crouch speed bonus ONLY work when you're completely crouched. So you CANNOT be in combat... So no one is using this to get away from a fight.
- Yet sorcs can still BE on and our or combat and be faster than anyone else in game. They can stack sets and have the best resource management in game and get unlimited magicka... Yet even when sneaking you're limited to your stamina pool... Cuz that makes sense?
- You have people bitching about stuff like this that obvious have no clue what they're talking about. First thing I stated is never brought up by anyone complaining. In a race vs a max speed horse, horse wins vs vamps... Vs BE... Yep BE wins!!! Yet where are the complaints about BE? I that's right, everyone's a sorc and uses BE so no one complains about it because they're all teleporting around near endlessly.
- Split things like this for pve/pvp... Remove certain sets from pvp... Remove silence.. Remove warlocks/LICH... Remove any other set that gives a blatantly "over powered" last bonus from pvp.
- Stop balancing pve around pvp. I happen to love running around in this game and taking in the beauty. I also hate having to use my horse because I hate being knocked off it and having to get off to harvest or talk to an npc. Why can't I run around in pve with this set combo and actually enjoy traveling around. I'll gladly take the fire damage hit for being able to enjoy a huge part of this game, traveling and exploring.
- Stop, balancing, pve and pvp, together!!!!!! Stop

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

no

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Such complete BS... Stop balancing PVE and PVP together. It destroyed balance in gw2 far too many times and you keep doing it to eso too.

For starters.

- The vamp+ set crouch speed bonus ONLY work when you're completely crouched. So you CANNOT be in combat... So no one is using this to get away from a fight.
- Yet sorcs can still BE on and our or combat and be faster than anyone else in game. They can stack sets and have the best resource management in game and get unlimited magicka... Yet even when sneaking you're limited to your stamina pool... Cuz that makes sense?
- You have people bitching about stuff like this that obvious have no clue what they're talking about. First thing I stated is never brought up by anyone complaining. In a race vs a max speed horse, horse wins vs vamps... Vs BE... Yep BE wins!!! Yet where are the complaints about BE? I that's right, everyone's a sorc and uses BE so no one complains about it because they're all teleporting around near endlessly.
- Split things like this for pve/pvp... Remove certain sets from pvp... Remove silence.. Remove warlocks/LICH... Remove any other set that gives a blatantly "over powered" last bonus from pvp.
- Stop balancing pve around pvp. I happen to love running around in this game and taking in the beauty. I also hate having to use my horse because I hate being knocked off it and having to get off to harvest or talk to an npc. Why can't I run around in pve with this set combo and actually enjoy traveling around. I'll gladly take the fire damage hit for being able to enjoy a huge part of this game, traveling and exploring.
- Stop, balancing, pve and pvp, together!!!!!! Stop

No, if I am going to get punished so are all the carebears. It's equally irrelevant in pvp.

I really don't care how much you love exploring. I like exploring too, just in cyrodiil.

Jesus, if I actually believed these forums were representative of the populace, I would push a lot harder for world pvp and full loot rights to expel the dead weight.

akray21 · September 2014

no

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

fredthementenrb18_ESO wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

Could help to vote if you provided the info about HOW they will be changed.

"Fixed an issue where you could stack the Dark Stalker passive with the Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment item sets to move at mount speed. This is no longer possible—you get the bonus from either Dark Stalker or Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment."

Thanks, then i think its fair as traveling on foot should always keep at somewhat realistic speeds.

LOL... the word 'realistic" used in reference to a fantasy MMO....

it makes sense tho, I mean, I regularly summon swarms of bats that also heal my wounds in real life to destroy my enemies. It's all about realism.

And when I want to be left alone I just pull talons out of the ground to hold everyone around me in place, and set them on fire.

heyguyslol · September 2014

no

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Such complete BS... Stop balancing PVE and PVP together. It destroyed balance in gw2 far too many times and you keep doing it to eso too.

For starters.

- The vamp+ set crouch speed bonus ONLY work when you're completely crouched. So you CANNOT be in combat... So no one is using this to get away from a fight.
- Yet sorcs can still BE on and our or combat and be faster than anyone else in game. They can stack sets and have the best resource management in game and get unlimited magicka... Yet even when sneaking you're limited to your stamina pool... Cuz that makes sense?
- You have people bitching about stuff like this that obvious have no clue what they're talking about. First thing I stated is never brought up by anyone complaining. In a race vs a max speed horse, horse wins vs vamps... Vs BE... Yep BE wins!!! Yet where are the complaints about BE? I that's right, everyone's a sorc and uses BE so no one complains about it because they're all teleporting around near endlessly.
- Split things like this for pve/pvp... Remove certain sets from pvp... Remove silence.. Remove warlocks/LICH... Remove any other set that gives a blatantly "over powered" last bonus from pvp.
- Stop balancing pve around pvp. I happen to love running around in this game and taking in the beauty. I also hate having to use my horse because I hate being knocked off it and having to get off to harvest or talk to an npc. Why can't I run around in pve with this set combo and actually enjoy traveling around. I'll gladly take the fire damage hit for being able to enjoy a huge part of this game, traveling and exploring.
- Stop, balancing, pve and pvp, together!!!!!! Stop

This nerf was not to balance pve with pvp. This nerf was because a few whiners cried about it saying it was OP in pvp and Zos gave in and nerfed/broke it.

akray21 · September 2014

no

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Such complete BS... Stop balancing PVE and PVP together. It destroyed balance in gw2 far too many times and you keep doing it to eso too.

For starters.

- The vamp+ set crouch speed bonus ONLY work when you're completely crouched. So you CANNOT be in combat... So no one is using this to get away from a fight.
- Yet sorcs can still BE on and our or combat and be faster than anyone else in game. They can stack sets and have the best resource management in game and get unlimited magicka... Yet even when sneaking you're limited to your stamina pool... Cuz that makes sense?
- You have people bitching about stuff like this that obvious have no clue what they're talking about. First thing I stated is never brought up by anyone complaining. In a race vs a max speed horse, horse wins vs vamps... Vs BE... Yep BE wins!!! Yet where are the complaints about BE? I that's right, everyone's a sorc and uses BE so no one complains about it because they're all teleporting around near endlessly.
- Split things like this for pve/pvp... Remove certain sets from pvp... Remove silence.. Remove warlocks/LICH... Remove any other set that gives a blatantly "over powered" last bonus from pvp.
- Stop balancing pve around pvp. I happen to love running around in this game and taking in the beauty. I also hate having to use my horse because I hate being knocked off it and having to get off to harvest or talk to an npc. Why can't I run around in pve with this set combo and actually enjoy traveling around. I'll gladly take the fire damage hit for being able to enjoy a huge part of this game, traveling and exploring.
- Stop, balancing, pve and pvp, together!!!!!! Stop

This nerf was not to balance pve with pvp. This nerf was because a few whiners cried about it saying it was OP in pvp and Zos gave in and nerfed/broke it.

I have still not even seen someone say its OP, just that its not reallistic.... ZOS should just remove every ability in the game and we can just fight with light and heavy attacks

Tootall2186 · September 2014

no

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Such complete BS... Stop balancing PVE and PVP together. It destroyed balance in gw2 far too many times and you keep doing it to eso too.

For starters.

- The vamp+ set crouch speed bonus ONLY work when you're completely crouched. So you CANNOT be in combat... So no one is using this to get away from a fight.
- Yet sorcs can still BE on and our or combat and be faster than anyone else in game. They can stack sets and have the best resource management in game and get unlimited magicka... Yet even when sneaking you're limited to your stamina pool... Cuz that makes sense?
- You have people bitching about stuff like this that obvious have no clue what they're talking about. First thing I stated is never brought up by anyone complaining. In a race vs a max speed horse, horse wins vs vamps... Vs BE... Yep BE wins!!! Yet where are the complaints about BE? I that's right, everyone's a sorc and uses BE so no one complains about it because they're all teleporting around near endlessly.
- Split things like this for pve/pvp... Remove certain sets from pvp... Remove silence.. Remove warlocks/LICH... Remove any other set that gives a blatantly "over powered" last bonus from pvp.
- Stop balancing pve around pvp. I happen to love running around in this game and taking in the beauty. I also hate having to use my horse because I hate being knocked off it and having to get off to harvest or talk to an npc. Why can't I run around in pve with this set combo and actually enjoy traveling around. I'll gladly take the fire damage hit for being able to enjoy a huge part of this game, traveling and exploring.
- Stop, balancing, pve and pvp, together!!!!!! Stop

No, if I am going to get punished so are all the carebears. It's equally irrelevant in pvp.

I really don't care how much you love exploring. I like exploring too, just in cyrodiil.

Jesus, if I actually believed these forums were representative of the populace, I would push a lot harder for world pvp and full loot rights to expel the dead weight.

It's an exaggerated response in response to the [snip] complaining about the sets. If they nerf this stacking combo then they need to nerf every other stacking set combo and make BE cast able once every 60 seconds. Balancing should be kept seperate between pve and pvp for a lot of reasons. But something like this isn't needed in the slightest.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

akray21 · September 2014

no

They keep taking away NB tools, but have yet to fix many of the issues NB's still face. Does anyone at ZOS actually play a NB?

KariTR · September 2014

This won't affect any of my characters but for those affected I'd suggest waiting to see how this affects your enjoyment of the game (ugh, too many affects). You may find that once you have adjusted to your slower stealth speed your replacement set gives you more prowess in whatever type of battle you favour.

I will say however that, although I haven't voted, my gut feeling says it is an unfair 'adjustment'. The out of combat speed of other characters didn't harm my game (mainly PvP nowadays). Other team members could keep up without mounting a horse like the rest of us. Not a huge deal, was it?

Lastly, shame on those of you calling the wearing of a 2-set combo an exploit and/or abusive. It was no such thing and I bet you don't give a second thought to your own combos that stack damage power, crit percentage, stat recovery etc. I know I don't, so I won't follow you down the road of hypocrisy.

Tootall2186 · September 2014

no

akray21 wrote: »

They keep taking away NB tools, but have yet to fix many of the issues NB's still face. Does anyone at ZOS actually play a NB?

Obviously not. They're all too busy spamming BE on their sorcs laughing while they leave everyone else in the dust both in and out of combat.

akray21 · September 2014

no

KariTR wrote: »

This won't affect any of my characters but for those affected I'd suggest waiting to see how this affects your enjoyment of the game (ugh, too many affects). You may find that once you have adjusted to your slower stealth speed your replacement set gives you more prowess in whatever type of battle you favour.

I will say however that, although I haven't voted, my gut feeling says it is an unfair 'adjustment'. The out of combat speed of other characters didn't harm my game (mainly PvP nowadays). Other team members could keep up without mounting a horse like the rest of us. Not a huge deal, was it?

Lastly, shame on those of you calling the wearing of a 2-set combo an exploit and/or abusive. It was no such thing and I bet you don't give a second thought to your own combos that stack damage power, crit percentage, stat recovery etc. I know I don't, so I won't follow you down the road of hypocrisy.

You have great points, but the main point for me was that it was fun. I feel as if it did not affect anyone else negatively, and that this was totally uncalled for. I could see if it was something that was killing everyone in PvP, but it simply wasn't.

Now my toon will be stronger, and hit harder, but I will not have as much fun as I was zipping around the battlefield (which is the largest part of what PvP currently is). If I am no longer having fun, then ZOS no longer gets my money, simply put.

I think they would have more people leave because of this change, than leave if they had not changed it (probably none). I know it might be an over exaggeration to unsub because of this, but this might be too much. I feel as a NB that we have been screwed the most, and that is never fun. I will see how the change affects my fun level (the most important thing in a game), then I will make up my mind, but my gut feeling as that I will leave shortly.

kitsinni · September 2014

no

KariTR wrote: »

This won't affect any of my characters but for those affected I'd suggest waiting to see how this affects your enjoyment of the game (ugh, too many affects). You may find that once you have adjusted to your slower stealth speed your replacement set gives you more prowess in whatever type of battle you favour.

I will say however that, although I haven't voted, my gut feeling says it is an unfair 'adjustment'. The out of combat speed of other characters didn't harm my game (mainly PvP nowadays). Other team members could keep up without mounting a horse like the rest of us. Not a huge deal, was it?

Lastly, shame on those of you calling the wearing of a 2-set combo an exploit and/or abusive. It was no such thing and I bet you don't give a second thought to your own combos that stack damage power, crit percentage, stat recovery etc. I know I don't, so I won't follow you down the road of hypocrisy.

I know how it will because I tried a similar setup before this set was added. What happens is you are not fast enough to get in range for a lot of attacks so your target just goes away. When you do get a kill and manage to use cloak and sneak before being seen you are too slow to get away because someone throws a caltrops, blazing spear or impulse where they saw you dissappear.

That is assuming they don't take away concealed weapon + vampire which I'm not so sure now they won't Axe that also. If they take that away it will be worse. Basically they just made it so if you want to play a stealth rogue night blade you need to take the fotm bow build because it doesn't rely on sneak speed to get in range to fight.

Correction it may have already been around I just didn't know about it till 1.3.

Stx · September 2014

yes

I am really shocked at how many players are defending this broken mechanic. It is painfully obvious moving in STEALTH as fast as a mounted player was never intended.

Hell, moving the same speed as a non-stealthed player shouldn't even be possible unless you specialize greatly in a stealth build(concealed weapon morph +vampire for example).

It was incredibly stupid seeing players zipping around in stealth so fast, and yes, it is imbalanced in PvP.

Kungfu · September 2014

no

Stx wrote: »

I am really shocked at how many players are defending this broken mechanic. It is painfully obvious moving in STEALTH as fast as a mounted player was never intended.

Hell, moving the same speed as a non-stealthed player shouldn't even be possible unless you specialize greatly in a stealth build(concealed weapon morph +vampire for example).

It was incredibly stupid seeing players zipping around in stealth so fast, and yes, it is imbalanced in PvP.

Clearly you don't realize how much of an investment it took to move that fast. Moving as fast as a non-stealthed player should always be POSSIBLE if you "spec right".

Moving this fast did not imbalance PvP -- only vamps can do it. In order to do it, they have to waste 5 pieces on a crap-set of stamina-build armor. 99% of these players are horrible because they're vulnerable as all hell. A 5-piece set with one fire-resist jewelry piece only leaves room for 3 pieces and two jewelry or 4 pieces and jewelry if you're weird enough to go DW for the bonus.
So basically, these players are limited to that set and 3x 2-piece sets, 2x 3-piece sets, one 4-piece, or maybe another 5-piece if the player went DW AND found a matching set that allows jewelry.

All of that for some stealth speed against your ability to stack a couple of 5-piece sets?

... seriously ... if you don't stomp that sneaker 5 seconds after they appear, you haven't specced yourself right.

Too many people hate on stuff here just cuz they didn't like it themselves.

Tootall2186 · September 2014

no

Kungfu wrote: »

Stx wrote: »

I am really shocked at how many players are defending this broken mechanic. It is painfully obvious moving in STEALTH as fast as a mounted player was never intended.

Hell, moving the same speed as a non-stealthed player shouldn't even be possible unless you specialize greatly in a stealth build(concealed weapon morph +vampire for example).

It was incredibly stupid seeing players zipping around in stealth so fast, and yes, it is imbalanced in PvP.

Clearly you don't realize how much of an investment it took to move that fast. Moving as fast as a non-stealthed player should always be POSSIBLE if you "spec right".

Moving this fast did not imbalance PvP -- only vamps can do it. In order to do it, they have to waste 5 pieces on a crap-set of stamina-build armor. 99% of these players are horrible because they're vulnerable as all hell. A 5-piece set with one fire-resist jewelry piece only leaves room for 3 pieces and two jewelry or 4 pieces and jewelry if you're weird enough to go DW for the bonus.
So basically, these players are limited to that set and 3x 2-piece sets, 2x 3-piece sets, one 4-piece, or maybe another 5-piece if the player went DW AND found a matching set that allows jewelry.

All of that for some stealth speed against your ability to stack a couple of 5-piece sets?

... seriously ... if you don't stomp that sneaker 5 seconds after they appear, you haven't specced yourself right.

Too many people hate on stuff here just cuz they didn't like it themselves.

Exactly. On top of not being able to use battle worthy sets. Vamps get destroyed by fire. Which are the majority of the attacks in game are.

Stx · September 2014

yes

Kungfu wrote: »

Stx wrote: »

I am really shocked at how many players are defending this broken mechanic. It is painfully obvious moving in STEALTH as fast as a mounted player was never intended.

Hell, moving the same speed as a non-stealthed player shouldn't even be possible unless you specialize greatly in a stealth build(concealed weapon morph +vampire for example).

It was incredibly stupid seeing players zipping around in stealth so fast, and yes, it is imbalanced in PvP.

Clearly you don't realize how much of an investment it took to move that fast. Moving as fast as a non-stealthed player should always be POSSIBLE if you "spec right".

Moving this fast did not imbalance PvP -- only vamps can do it. In order to do it, they have to waste 5 pieces on a crap-set of stamina-build armor. 99% of these players are horrible because they're vulnerable as all hell. A 5-piece set with one fire-resist jewelry piece only leaves room for 3 pieces and two jewelry or 4 pieces and jewelry if you're weird enough to go DW for the bonus.
So basically, these players are limited to that set and 3x 2-piece sets, 2x 3-piece sets, one 4-piece, or maybe another 5-piece if the player went DW AND found a matching set that allows jewelry.

All of that for some stealth speed against your ability to stack a couple of 5-piece sets?

... seriously ... if you don't stomp that sneaker 5 seconds after they appear, you haven't specced yourself right.

Too many people hate on stuff here just cuz they didn't like it themselves.

I don't care if they had to stack poor stats in every slot. That's not the point. Moving that fast in stealth is just imbalanced, immersion breaking, and silly.

If you support moving as fast as a horse while crouched, I can only assume you would be okay with being able to fly(as long as you needed to be a vampire and wear a set of armor of course, sacrifices right?).

Or a skateboard, why not? You can move twice as fast as a horse if you use a set bonus that gives you a skateboard. It doesn't make you powerful in combat, so its cool right?

akray21 · September 2014

no

Stx wrote: »

Kungfu wrote: »

Stx wrote: »

I am really shocked at how many players are defending this broken mechanic. It is painfully obvious moving in STEALTH as fast as a mounted player was never intended.

Hell, moving the same speed as a non-stealthed player shouldn't even be possible unless you specialize greatly in a stealth build(concealed weapon morph +vampire for example).

It was incredibly stupid seeing players zipping around in stealth so fast, and yes, it is imbalanced in PvP.

Clearly you don't realize how much of an investment it took to move that fast. Moving as fast as a non-stealthed player should always be POSSIBLE if you "spec right".

Moving this fast did not imbalance PvP -- only vamps can do it. In order to do it, they have to waste 5 pieces on a crap-set of stamina-build armor. 99% of these players are horrible because they're vulnerable as all hell. A 5-piece set with one fire-resist jewelry piece only leaves room for 3 pieces and two jewelry or 4 pieces and jewelry if you're weird enough to go DW for the bonus.
So basically, these players are limited to that set and 3x 2-piece sets, 2x 3-piece sets, one 4-piece, or maybe another 5-piece if the player went DW AND found a matching set that allows jewelry.

All of that for some stealth speed against your ability to stack a couple of 5-piece sets?

... seriously ... if you don't stomp that sneaker 5 seconds after they appear, you haven't specced yourself right.

Too many people hate on stuff here just cuz they didn't like it themselves.

I don't care if they had to stack poor stats in every slot. That's not the point. Moving that fast in stealth is just imbalanced, immersion breaking, and silly.

If you support moving as fast as a horse while crouched, I can only assume you would be okay with being able to fly(as long as you needed to be a vampire and wear a set of armor of course, sacrifices right?).

Or a skateboard, why not? You can move twice as fast as a horse if you use a set bonus that gives you a skateboard. It doesn't make you powerful in combat, so its cool right?

You still neglect to say how you think it is not balanced. How does this give a battle advantage that can't be overcome?

Samadhi · September 2014

akray21 wrote: »

You still neglect to say how you think it is not balanced. How does this give a battle advantage that can't be overcome?

It's balanced fine, certain players just don't like other people having it.

akray21 · September 2014

no

Samadhi wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

You still neglect to say how you think it is not balanced. How does this give a battle advantage that can't be overcome?

It's balanced fine, certain players just don't like other people having it.

Exactly... I don't like BE, green dragon blood, the Templar shield ability.... But that doesn't mean I want them removed, I have to play around them....

Varicite · September 2014

I never saw any issue w/ the sneak speed.

It couldn't be used in combat anyway.

It's basically a stealth horse that only NBs could use.

/shrug

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · September 2014

yes

Its not about synergy. Its about sneaking faster than running being silly.

Reiterpallasch · September 2014

yes

Alternatively, this poll can be used to view how many people like to exploit game mechanics that ZOS DID NOT say was working as intended.

Yup, I used the E word. Get mad, because you know it's true.

akray21 · September 2014

no

Reiterpallasch wrote: »

Alternatively, this poll can be used to view how many people like to exploit game mechanics that ZOS DID NOT say was working as intended.

Yup, I used the E word. Get mad, because you know it's true.

Read the thread man... ZOS has been quoted to say it was working as intended... They went back on their word

akray21 · September 2014

no

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Its not about synergy. Its about sneaking faster than running being silly.

I think BE is silly, therefore it should be removed

Tootall2186 · September 2014

no

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Its not about synergy. Its about sneaking faster than running being silly.

You have to be a vampire to use it.... You have to take over 50% more damage from fire. And have your health regen reduced by 25%.... You can also NOT use it in combat and it also goes away if you're sneaking and you get too close to a player or npc and the eye opens...

You like to use a horse...

Other people like to run around.. This combo makes running around actualy viable. But it comes with a heavy price of being a vamp.

Name one reason or one scenario where a vampire isn't extremely fast? Also you should know that in a race vs someone with a max speed horse... The horse wins everytime. On top of the horse being able to sprint indefinitely and the player having to worry about running out of stamina or the eye opening ever so slightly and the run boost being canceled...