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Dark stalker + night silence nerf
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭noArsenic_Touch wrote: »
I am pretty sure its because a game mechanic that allows people to SNEAK around faster than a mounted horse is pretty stupid. Name ONE other mmo/rpg where a rogue/ranger/assassin (w/e you want to call it) sneaks around at lightning speed? I've been playing them for a long, long time and cannot name one. Must be a reason for that....
What other games allow every single class in the game to have unlimited stealth and buff stealth speed regardless of class? Name another that lets you become a vampire to gain extra stealth speed. Or another that has set bonuses that grant other stealth speed. Or another that lets you endlessly bolt around faster than mounted horses while damaging, unstealthing and stunning everything in your path.
Or even another where horses can sprint and have a stamina bar but can continue to sprint after the stamina is gone. Or one that allows you to hold block and block a huge amount of damage from 360 degrees. Or one that allows you to attack while holding block.
If you are going to start comparing this to other games there is a lot of stuff that is not similar to other games.5 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭noI'm still going to own people in PvP, I will just get to them a little slower'... but when I do get there I will be doing more damage and be able to sustain better due to the use of a different set... You babies will be wishing the change didn't happen.8
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Devlinne✭✭✭noi voted no....but i'm not mad at zos. I'm mad at all the ppl that cried for the FIRST nerf ever during the first month of this game, and zos listened. I'm mad at all the rest up till now non-stop screaming for nerfs, and zos listened.
So now you have it.
Zos is under the impression that the BEST WAY to handle this game. is to continually give in to whiners.
So here we are now at this state.
You reap what you sow.
Thats why like my sig says. i maxed all 4 classes. Cos i saw the trend. they will NEVER stop whining and zos will NEVER stop nerfing.
Well go ahead. I can always jump on the "best" class. I WIN.Edited by Devlinne on September 4, 2014 6:32PMDevlinne: VR12 NB
Demonos: VR12 Sorc
Devin Flames: VR12 DK
Hellzanger: VR12 Templar
Thats right. ALL CLASSES.3 -
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✭✭✭✭yesI'm still going to own people in PvP, I will just get to them a little slower'... but when I do get there I will be doing more damage and be able to sustain better due to the use of a different set... You babies will be wishing the change didn't happen.
Had to give you an awesome for that even if I am considered one of those babies.Edited by Armitas on September 4, 2014 6:37PMRetired.
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heyguyslol✭✭✭noSo is ZOS going to give me back all my legendary mats and runestones, because this set is now USELESS to me?
lol no u think zos gives a two [snip] about player mats. Look at update 1.3 and 1.4 both rendering gear useless and forcing players to re craft.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on September 5, 2014 4:34PM@heyguyslol
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✭yesArsenic_Touch wrote: »
I am pretty sure its because a game mechanic that allows people to SNEAK around faster than a mounted horse is pretty stupid. Name ONE other mmo/rpg where a rogue/ranger/assassin (w/e you want to call it) sneaks around at lightning speed? I've been playing them for a long, long time and cannot name one. Must be a reason for that....
What other games allow every single class in the game to have unlimited stealth and buff stealth speed regardless of class? Name another that lets you become a vampire to gain extra stealth speed. Or another that has set bonuses that grant other stealth speed. Or another that lets you endlessly bolt around faster than mounted horses while damaging, unstealthing and stunning everything in your path.
Or even another where horses can sprint and have a stamina bar but can continue to sprint after the stamina is gone. Or one that allows you to hold block and block a huge amount of damage from 360 degrees. Or one that allows you to attack while holding block.
If you are going to start comparing this to other games there is a lot of stuff that is not similar to other games.
We are not talking about "other stuff". We are talking about stealth. And for as long as games have been games, stealth players do not stealth at the ridiculously high rates of movement that ESO has been allowing them too. This is traditional DnD stuff here we are talking about. You know...its the whole reason why rogue/ranger/assasins (w/e you want to call them) have *** AoE and amazing single target burst.
There are sets of rules that just go along with this genre. If you dont understand that then I am not sure what to say except, "deal with it".
Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
Disable abilities while holding block.
Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.2 -
Lorkhan✭✭✭✭✭nodo u prefer to fight against someone using stealth speed bonus or against someone using damage bonus? or damage mitigation bonus? do u rly think stealth speed is op? ppl two shots with other builds, man.... wake upArsenic_Touch wrote: »
I am pretty sure its because a game mechanic that allows people to SNEAK around faster than a mounted horse is pretty stupid. Name ONE other mmo/rpg where a rogue/ranger/assassin (w/e you want to call it) sneaks around at lightning speed? I've been playing them for a long, long time and cannot name one. Must be a reason for that....
What other games allow every single class in the game to have unlimited stealth and buff stealth speed regardless of class? Name another that lets you become a vampire to gain extra stealth speed. Or another that has set bonuses that grant other stealth speed. Or another that lets you endlessly bolt around faster than mounted horses while damaging, unstealthing and stunning everything in your path.
Or even another where horses can sprint and have a stamina bar but can continue to sprint after the stamina is gone. Or one that allows you to hold block and block a huge amount of damage from 360 degrees. Or one that allows you to attack while holding block.
If you are going to start comparing this to other games there is a lot of stuff that is not similar to other games.
We are not talking about "other stuff". We are talking about stealth. And for as long as games have been games, stealth players do not stealth at the ridiculously high rates of movement that ESO has been allowing them too. This is traditional DnD stuff here we are talking about. You know...its the whole reason why rogue/ranger/assasins (w/e you want to call them) have *** AoE and amazing single target burst.
There are sets of rules that just go along with this genre. If you dont understand that then I am not sure what to say except, "deal with it".
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akray21✭✭✭✭✭noslopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »
I know, the question was meant to be rhetorical. But where are the notes for 1.4, I have not found them. The only thing I see regarding Night's Silence is... "Night’s Silence: Fixed an issue where this set bonus wasn’t being applied."
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭noArsenic_Touch wrote: »
I am pretty sure its because a game mechanic that allows people to SNEAK around faster than a mounted horse is pretty stupid. Name ONE other mmo/rpg where a rogue/ranger/assassin (w/e you want to call it) sneaks around at lightning speed? I've been playing them for a long, long time and cannot name one. Must be a reason for that....
What other games allow every single class in the game to have unlimited stealth and buff stealth speed regardless of class? Name another that lets you become a vampire to gain extra stealth speed. Or another that has set bonuses that grant other stealth speed. Or another that lets you endlessly bolt around faster than mounted horses while damaging, unstealthing and stunning everything in your path.
Or even another where horses can sprint and have a stamina bar but can continue to sprint after the stamina is gone. Or one that allows you to hold block and block a huge amount of damage from 360 degrees. Or one that allows you to attack while holding block.
If you are going to start comparing this to other games there is a lot of stuff that is not similar to other games.
We are not talking about "other stuff". We are talking about stealth. And for as long as games have been games, stealth players do not stealth at the ridiculously high rates of movement that ESO has been allowing them too. This is traditional DnD stuff here we are talking about. You know...its the whole reason why rogue/ranger/assasins (w/e you want to call them) have *** AoE and amazing single target burst.
There are sets of rules that just go along with this genre. If you dont understand that then I am not sure what to say except, "deal with it".
And in those traditional games are Warrior Tanks with heavy armor stealthing around? Are they moving at the same exact speed as rogues?1 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭noI remember when I was playing DnD and someone went to attack me and I said "Nope I am bolting to the other side of the map" and you also take damage and get stunned. "Now I'm going to bolt back attack you and bolt back out before you can hit me".3
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heyguyslol✭✭✭noZos has proven not to listen to polls and even tho I'm very much against this change or any change like it, it does not matter cuz at the end of the day they are going to do what they want and not what the players want. So imo if they hit u where it hurts u hit them right back where it hurts them their wallet cancel your sub. You don't bite the hand that feeds u and zos is doing exactly that. How stupid can u be Zos?@heyguyslol
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✭noArsenic_Touch wrote: »
I am pretty sure its because a game mechanic that allows people to SNEAK around faster than a mounted horse is pretty stupid. Name ONE other mmo/rpg where a rogue/ranger/assassin (w/e you want to call it) sneaks around at lightning speed? I've been playing them for a long, long time and cannot name one. Must be a reason for that....
What other games allow every single class in the game to have unlimited stealth and buff stealth speed regardless of class? Name another that lets you become a vampire to gain extra stealth speed. Or another that has set bonuses that grant other stealth speed. Or another that lets you endlessly bolt around faster than mounted horses while damaging, unstealthing and stunning everything in your path.
Or even another where horses can sprint and have a stamina bar but can continue to sprint after the stamina is gone. Or one that allows you to hold block and block a huge amount of damage from 360 degrees. Or one that allows you to attack while holding block.
If you are going to start comparing this to other games there is a lot of stuff that is not similar to other games.
We are not talking about "other stuff". We are talking about stealth. And for as long as games have been games, stealth players do not stealth at the ridiculously high rates of movement that ESO has been allowing them too. This is traditional DnD stuff here we are talking about. You know...its the whole reason why rogue/ranger/assasins (w/e you want to call them) have *** AoE and amazing single target burst.
There are sets of rules that just go along with this genre. If you dont understand that then I am not sure what to say except, "deal with it".
so mister D+D rules sorcs and heavy armour then? i dont see you having a crusade about that
every class having stealth? where is your crusade about that?
maybe you should just stick to D+D theres so much in this game that must make you rage.
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✭yesIm not going to lawyer this, and lawyer that blah blah blah...
There are a *** ton of games that let you wear w/e armor you want, w/e weapons you want etc. This is not new stuff. Many games allow this to be done.
There are no games that allow you to stealth at lightning speed. NONE. Because its an unwritten rule that when you stealth there is a penalty. You should feel fortunate enough that ESO STILL ALLOWS YOU TO INCREASE YOUR STEALTH MOVEMENT SPEED after this change. You will no longer be moving at a godly speed. Why? Because its broken. Thats all there needs to be said about it.
The fact that ESO allowed it for as long they did has only caused this outcry from people abusing it to be worse.
GREAT CHANGE.
Edited by c0rp on September 4, 2014 7:09PMForce weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
Disable abilities while holding block.
Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.6 -
Sarenia✭✭✭✭✭yesOh please...ZoS stated it was never intended for the sneak bonuses to stack. This is a bug fix not a nerf. Bolt Escape was a nerf. This is a bug fix.
Now every Nightblade isnt required to be a vampire. In my book, that is a great change.
Catching people on mounts while sneaking is ridiculous anyway.QFT
This is just another "my exploit is getting patched, what will I do now?" thread.[beta_group_85b_9]4 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭noSo you will comment on the parts that back your argument and ignore the rest .. that sounds extremely lawyer. There are tons of games with Heavy Armor Tank Warriors running around in stealth at the same speed as rogues .. millions in fact.0
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✭noI remember when I was playing DnD and someone went to attack me and I said "Nope I am bolting to the other side of the map" and you also take damage and get stunned. "Now I'm going to bolt back attack you and bolt back out before you can hit me".
Yea I did that AAALL the time. I also loved using the magicka stat to cast spells and cast more spells as it regened. I also liked how my character could rez at a wayshrine every time she died.
God, there's so many similarities to ESO and old school AD&D, and I never even noticed them before. But they are all definitely relevant.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭noOh please...ZoS stated it was never intended for the sneak bonuses to stack. This is a bug fix not a nerf. Bolt Escape was a nerf. This is a bug fix.
Now every Nightblade isnt required to be a vampire. In my book, that is a great change.
Catching people on mounts while sneaking is ridiculous anyway.QFT
This is just another "my exploit is getting patched, what will I do now?" thread.
Using the skills and sets in game to do exactly what they said they will do. Asking CSRs if it is intended and them saying yes it is intended. Sounds exactly like the definition of exploit to me.
Paying the sub to ESO is an exploit also.2 -
heyguyslol✭✭✭noslopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »
I know, the question was meant to be rhetorical. But where are the notes for 1.4, I have not found them. The only thing I see regarding Night's Silence is... "Night’s Silence: Fixed an issue where this set bonus wasn’t being applied."
P1.4.2
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/130203/pts-patch-notes-v1-4-2#latestEdited by heyguyslol on September 4, 2014 7:21PM@heyguyslol
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✭yesSo you will comment on the parts that back your argument and ignore the rest .. that sounds extremely lawyer. There are tons of games with Heavy Armor Tank Warriors running around in stealth at the same speed as rogues .. millions in fact.
The issue isn't who can or who cant stealth. The issue at hand is a class which can abuse stealth game mechanics and make such a joke of it that it becomes broken. Which currently is the state of Vampire NBs in ESO.
We can argue all day long...the vampire NBs are going to vote NO, and everyone else with common sense, and a desire for solid game mechanics will YES. No point in continuing on and on. I have a VAMP NB even, and know this change is good for the game.
Edited by c0rp on September 4, 2014 7:25PMForce weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
Disable abilities while holding block.
Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.1 -
Sarenia✭✭✭✭✭yesOh please...ZoS stated it was never intended for the sneak bonuses to stack. This is a bug fix not a nerf. Bolt Escape was a nerf. This is a bug fix.
Now every Nightblade isnt required to be a vampire. In my book, that is a great change.
Catching people on mounts while sneaking is ridiculous anyway.QFT
This is just another "my exploit is getting patched, what will I do now?" thread.
Using the skills and sets in game to do exactly what they said they will do. Asking CSRs if it is intended and them saying yes it is intended. Sounds exactly like the definition of exploit to me.
Paying the sub to ESO is an exploit also.Exploit in a game is using mechanics in a way unintended by the developers. You're exploiting a weakness, or failure in their code. Have you read the definition of exploitation? To take advantage of, in short.
I'm not sure which CSR's you're referring to, but obviously if it's being patched, it isn't working as intended.
So yes, it was unintended, and being abused, and therefore an exploit and thus being patched. Following your definition, there would be no such thing as an exploit. But sure, go ahead thinking that sneaking at Superman speed is super legitimate.
Anyway, there will be some other game-breaking feature for you to abuse soon enough, so don't stress it. At least, don't stress it until they fix that one too and another thread like this pops up.Edited by Sarenia on September 4, 2014 7:32PM[beta_group_85b_9]2 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭noIm not going to lawyer this, and lawyer that blah blah blah...
There are a *** ton of games that let you wear w/e armor you want, w/e weapons you want etc. This is not new stuff. Many games allow this to be done.
There are no games that allow you to stealth at lightning speed. NONE. Because its an unwritten rule that when you stealth there is a penalty. You should feel fortunate enough that ESO STILL ALLOWS YOU TO INCREASE YOUR STEALTH MOVEMENT SPEED after this change. You will no longer be moving at a godly speed. Why? Because its broken. Thats all there needs to be said about it.
The fact that ESO allowed it for as long they did has only caused this outcry from people abusing it to be worse.
GREAT CHANGE.
Funny, because your opinion is out voted. You seem to ignore everything against your argument, way to be a typical message board whiner. Again how is this stacking game breaking, but stacking magicka cost is not?Edited by akray21 on September 4, 2014 7:31PM3 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭noSo you will comment on the parts that back your argument and ignore the rest .. that sounds extremely lawyer. There are tons of games with Heavy Armor Tank Warriors running around in stealth at the same speed as rogues .. millions in fact.
The issue isn't who can or who cant stealth. The issue at hand is a class which can abuse stealth game mechanics and make such a joke of it that it becomes broken. Which currently is the state of Vampire NBs in ESO.
We can argue all day long...the vampire NBs are going to vote NO, and everyone else with common sense, and a desire for solid game mechanics will YES. No point in continuing on and on. I have a VAMP NB even, and know this change is good for the game.
If you are going to compare it to traditional games like D&D and other MMOs then yes who can or can't stealth is 100% the issue, in fact being like those other games is the entire crux of your argument.
What is broken on the game because Vamp NB's can move fast? This game is as far as possible from solid game mechanics and all this change does is take one of the few setups that are not part of the holy PvP classes (DK holding block spamming skill, Sorcs bolt escaping and dropping bats and impulse zergs) and dumps it in the toilet. I guess all NB have to be FOTM bow spammers because God forbid we have some different setups in PvP.
All those NB's exploiting this at the top of the PvP charts .. wait you mean .. not a single one was a NB .. I can see how devastating to the game this was!5 -
Braddass✭✭✭yesThere should be an option in the Poll for them to just get rid of Vamps. Some of them have gotten so used to god-mode, and are never going to be happy when things are balanced.Edited by Braddass on September 4, 2014 7:32PM5
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✭noOh please...ZoS stated it was never intended for the sneak bonuses to stack. This is a bug fix not a nerf. Bolt Escape was a nerf. This is a bug fix.
Now every Nightblade isnt required to be a vampire. In my book, that is a great change.
Catching people on mounts while sneaking is ridiculous anyway.QFT
This is just another "my exploit is getting patched, what will I do now?" thread.
Using the skills and sets in game to do exactly what they said they will do. Asking CSRs if it is intended and them saying yes it is intended. Sounds exactly like the definition of exploit to me.
Paying the sub to ESO is an exploit also.Exploit in a game is using mechanics in a way unintended by the developers. You're exploiting a weakness, or failure in their code. Have you read the definition of exploitation? To take advantage of, in short.
I'm not sure which CSR's you're referring to, but obviously if it's being patched, it isn't working as intended.
So yes, it was unintended, and being abused, and therefore an exploit and thus being patched. Following your definition, there would be no such thing as an exploit. But sure, go ahead thinking that sneaking at Superman speed is super legitimate.
Anyway, there will be some other game-breaking feature for you to abuse soon enough, so don't stress it. At least, don't stress it until they fix that one too and another thread like this pops up.
What you are missing is that developers during beta and reps after stated that it was working as intended. Repeatedly.
They have decided to change their stance, i.e. lie, since it was apparently intended to work that way at some point.
The logic that if something is patched it is not working as intended is just nonsensical anyway.
So maybe do everyone a favor and stop calling it an exploit or a cheat when it was intended to work in that fashion, and did not give an unfair advantage to anyone.Edited by smeeprocketnub19_ESO on September 4, 2014 7:36PMDear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.4 -
heyguyslol✭✭✭noThere should be an option in the Poll for them to just get rid of Vamps. Some of them have gotten so used to god-mode, and are never going to be happy when things are balanced.
Your an [snip] if u think Vamps are gods. Vampire comes with pro's and con's and is an available option for all players.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on September 5, 2014 7:46PM@heyguyslol
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I wonder what percentage of Emperors have been Vamps?
What percentage of Emperors use sneaking as their preferred playstyle?This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!3 -
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I wonder what percentage of Emperors have been Vamps?
that has nothing to do with sneak speed, trust me.
It had everything to do with batform and damage mitigation.
You don't get AP for sneaking really really fast, and night's silence was broken until recently.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
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I wonder what percentage of Emperors have been Vamps?
this isnt about being a vamp. emperors and vamps go hand in hand more often than now due to batswarm and sorcs and bolt escape. not from moving around faster ffs.
emperors ive played with dont sneak anywhere they are in a big group spamming aoe as much as possible cos thats how you get most AP.
moving around faster in stealth is of no use nor interest to them.
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