Why is DC so underpopulated? [NA]

Agrippa_Invisus · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

I'm not disputing the widely accepted belief that there are fewer DC players than AD or EP players. I simply think it is not a massive difference. DC hit 3 bars on Thornblade NA last night while being pop locked on Chillrend. It's possible DC was pop locked for a brief time last night on Thornblade. A few days ago, DC was pop locked on both during prime time so there are plenty of DC players, even if they are fewer in number.

I have no idea how the DC pop stands on the EU server. I suspect it is similar to the NA server, though.

You must understand its all about perception and I'd be curious about the comparison of PvP population to total population. Is the perception that DC is underpopulated mean less DC players will PvP because they don't want to lose? What if all three sides have equal overall population, but unbalanced PvP population, what would that mean? Less PvP player chose DC? Unlikely, farm more likely people were normally distributed in each faction and thus your portion of "PvP" players should be near equal. So as I said could it be perception? Thats once again if there is an imbalance to begin with, but I think as an example the whole reason Thornblade is dead right now isn't that there weren't fights, its the perception of not being able to win because of night capping.

Wasn't it population? On chillrend, EP heavily outnumbered DC/AD prior to the reset, and on Thornblade, AD heavily outnumbered DC/EP. In addition to both those factions being able to poplock at 5am (I know because I've been insane enough to try to defend)

I remember defending on Thornblade at glademist. It was 10DC, literally 10, vs poplock AD, I counted around 80ish inside the keep courtyard. All the while, EP was at 3 bars on chillrend pvdooring the keeps and resources all red.

It's insane that people enjoy pvdooring so much. That's the whole reason I brought No Mercy over to chillrend on reset. To try to chase the EP back to Thornblade. To have at least one campaign that's competitive. Hopefully with us there helping the cause, we can stir enough trouble for the EP that the DC/AD pops won't just give up the campaign and we can have some nice big fun fights all over the map. It appears we've unintentionally brought over the DC and AD from Thornblade. But at least we can have some good competitive fun pvp

As long as there is at least one, good competitive campaign. That was always the dream of the Wabbajack players and those of us that put Dawnbreaker 2.0 together (it had been a buff server in 1.0) dreamed the same thing, only a 2-3 bar pop server w/o the Wabbajack lag.

As long as that one good campaign remains, ESO is still a game that is worth playing.

The day there are nothing but monotone servers is the day it's time to unsub.

Nala_ · September 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

Spoiler: You're not the underdog faction

i cant believe how many of us are on chillrend now. it sucks because i came here to chillrend to be the underpopulated faction so i had more ppl to fight. i play during the daytime (9am central to around 6pm centeral on and off) and DC poplocks vs 1-2 bar EP and AD during that time, its just a massive blue zerg taking everything and camping gates, which is the opposite of fun. it takes until like 6 or 7pm central time before AD and EP get on enough people to give us a fight.

msawwan2ub17_ESO · September 2014

I rather have 2-3 full campaigns with less players each.
face it zenimax, your servers are *** and cant handle ***. the lag is horrible when there are big battlles

Pixysticks · September 2014

Nala_ wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Spoiler: You're not the underdog faction

i cant believe how many of us are on chillrend now. it sucks because i came here to chillrend to be the underpopulated faction so i had more ppl to fight. i play during the daytime (9am central to around 6pm centeral on and off) and DC poplocks vs 1-2 bar EP and AD during that time, its just a massive blue zerg taking everything and camping gates, which is the opposite of fun. it takes until like 6 or 7pm central time before AD and EP get on enough people to give us a fight.

That's what I was talking about. Every day since Chill reset-- I get off work and get on the game at around 7 p.m EST and the entire map is blue with locked pop. I'm confused in what this original post was talking about, or if it was meant to be a satire on the current situation of PvP on Chill.

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I rather have 2-3 full campaigns with less players each.
face it zenimax, your servers are *** and cant handle ***. the lag is horrible when there are big battlles

Yeah it's getting ridiculous, I logged off yesterday after almost 2 hours of constant lag.

Nala_ · September 2014

chill is just in a dumb state right now is all, it will get sorted out in a week or so i hope, and people will adjust their sleep schedules. right now we zerg everyone relentlessly with no opposition during the day, during prime time its AWESOME FUN fighting, then as everyone goes to sleep EP comes along and zergs down all the doors.

Lfehova · September 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Spoiler: You're not the underdog faction

i cant believe how many of us are on chillrend now. it sucks because i came here to chillrend to be the underpopulated faction so i had more ppl to fight. i play during the daytime (9am central to around 6pm centeral on and off) and DC poplocks vs 1-2 bar EP and AD during that time, its just a massive blue zerg taking everything and camping gates, which is the opposite of fun. it takes until like 6 or 7pm central time before AD and EP get on enough people to give us a fight.

That's what I was talking about. Every day since Chill reset-- I get off work and get on the game at around 7 p.m EST and the entire map is blue with locked pop. I'm confused in what this original post was talking about, or if it was meant to be a satire on the current situation of PvP on Chill.

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

I rather have 2-3 full campaigns with less players each.
face it zenimax, your servers are *** and cant handle ***. the lag is horrible when there are big battlles

Yeah it's getting ridiculous, I logged off yesterday after almost 2 hours of constant lag.

I worked from home yesterday, and spent all morning working with about 4 people and another pug group of 10 to try to take something on chillrend. It was met with about 30-35 EP players every single time and the emp defending and trying to wipe our siege. It wasn't until around 2pm we got some more even numbers and started making serious headway.

And EG moved to chillrend last night, I don't know if it's permanent or not, but that is the explanation for the poplock and lag.

Also, I was referring to all campaigns, not just chillrend. DC is the least populated in pvp. Therefore the underdog faction. Maybe try reading some of the other posts in the thread before you troll.

Planchard · September 2014

It all has to do with orcs! Nobody likes playing as or playing with an orc in the group! If it wasn't for my healing abilities, my orc templar would just be a crafter.

Also, what are the ques like for EP and AD during prime time? Last night when I got back on after eating dinner, I was number 13 in que for DC which is the largest I've seen ever.

Lfehova · September 2014

Nala_ wrote: »

chill is just in a dumb state right now is all, it will get sorted out in a week or so i hope, and people will adjust their sleep schedules. right now we zerg everyone relentlessly with no opposition during the day, during prime time its AWESOME FUN fighting, then as everyone goes to sleep EP comes along and zergs down all the doors.

Yeah it's all *** up now. The EP guild ran to chillrend when they started a challenge with No Mercy on Thornblade. They incessantly kept hitting our home keeps with 40 people, 20 at warden and 20 at glade, completely independent on the state of the map. Yellow could have arrius and they would still do it. We told them to *** off or we would take their buff server and hit their home keeps all day. They didn't, so we spent one day on their home keeps, then took bow of shadows from them, and they ran to chillrend.

Now we have come to chillrend to chase them back, but instead, after a few days of DC success on chill and a few days of DC struggles on thorn, it seems the DC pugs and guilds from thorn are here on chill. Now the ad on thorn are bored of gate camping, so they are coming to chill as well. It seems chill has been turned into wabba 4.0

My apologies on behalf of No Mercy, but we will always follow through with our threats. Sorry for *** up your campaign

Pixysticks · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

Maybe try reading some of the other posts in the thread before you troll.

Yeah, because making fun of an entire faction for "PvDooring" on Thorn then coming to Chill and "PvDooring" during the day, then making a post about how DC is the most underpopulated faction, isn't trolling.

Braidas · September 2014

I dont know about population in general, but DC is srsly lacking some decent PvP guilds.

Agrippa_Invisus · September 2014

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

I dont know about population in general, but DC is srsly lacking some decent PvP guilds.

I hear EG is recruiting.

*ducks!*

Lfehova · September 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

Maybe try reading some of the other posts in the thread before you troll.

Yeah, because making fun of an entire faction for "PvDooring" on Thorn then coming to Chill and "PvDooring" during the day, then making a post about how DC is the most underpopulated faction, isn't trolling.

No Mercy doesn't pvdoor. Ever. Period.

I believe you're referring to the DC pugs that followed us when they realized we were no longer on thorn or the existing DC pugs on chill. Sorry, you're so misinformed.

Pixysticks · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

Maybe try reading some of the other posts in the thread before you troll.

Yeah, because making fun of an entire faction for "PvDooring" on Thorn then coming to Chill and "PvDooring" during the day, then making a post about how DC is the most underpopulated faction, isn't trolling.

No Mercy doesn't pvdoor. Ever. Period.

I believe you're referring to the DC pugs that followed us when they realized we were no longer on thorn or the existing DC pugs on chill. Sorry, you're so misinformed.

It's really fortunate then that those "unnamed pugs" that you don't even bother naming got you emp, since your guild doesn't ever pvdoor.

Lfehova · September 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

Maybe try reading some of the other posts in the thread before you troll.

Yeah, because making fun of an entire faction for "PvDooring" on Thorn then coming to Chill and "PvDooring" during the day, then making a post about how DC is the most underpopulated faction, isn't trolling.

No Mercy doesn't pvdoor. Ever. Period.

I believe you're referring to the DC pugs that followed us when they realized we were no longer on thorn or the existing DC pugs on chill. Sorry, you're so misinformed.

It's really fortunate then that those "unnamed pugs" that you don't even bother naming got you emp, since your guild doesn't ever pvdoor.

Yes it is fortunate. Last time we got emp was 3 NM guys, some EHJ guys, and a bunch of pugs my guys didn't know. Edit: with the EP emp and a bunch of EP defending (definition of pvdoor is taking a keep without player opposition)

I'm glad I had it for when I got home from work to push the EP and AD sh't in.

You better pray I'm not emp when I get home from work, cause I'll be coming after your sweet booty ass tonight pixydix

Nala_ · September 2014

i like you hova and im glad you came here to help us out on this campaign, but telling pix hes trolling because hes saying DC zergs everything during the day when EP and AD dont have numbers is true. ive tried to stop DC from camping the starting gates of EP multiple times over the past few days, we seriously take every keep EP has and then the rest of the map except for BB and BM.

Pixysticks · September 2014

Well it's not like you can hide the fact that during primetime the map is entirely blue and you have emp, then we dethrone and go to sleep, the next day when we come back and get on during primetime, the map is entirely blue and you have emp.

So I'm just confused in how you think this is any different than what EP did on Chillrend before this reset, other than one is during the day when everyone is at work or school, and one is at night when everyone is asleep.

Lfehova · September 2014

Nala_ wrote: »

i like you hova and im glad you came here to help us out on this campaign, but telling pix hes trolling because hes saying DC zergs everything during the day when EP and AD dont have numbers is true. ive tried to stop DC from camping the starting gates of EP multiple times over the past few days, we seriously take every keep EP has and then the rest of the map except for BB and BM.

I said he's trolling because this post initially was not a discussion of chillrend's specific population and pvp ebb and flow. It was a discussion of the generalization of all campaign populations and I was just wondering why DC seemed to be underpopulated. Agrippa eloquently explained the lore side of it and the beta Internet community swarming to AD so it all made sense. Pixyditz just derailed the conversation by focusing only on the chillrend population after EG recently moved here (recently being last night)

Nala_ · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

i like you hova and im glad you came here to help us out on this campaign, but telling pix hes trolling because hes saying DC zergs everything during the day when EP and AD dont have numbers is true. ive tried to stop DC from camping the starting gates of EP multiple times over the past few days, we seriously take every keep EP has and then the rest of the map except for BB and BM.

I said he's trolling because this post initially was not a discussion of chillrend's specific population and pvp ebb and flow. It was a discussion of the generalization of all campaign populations and I was just wondering why DC seemed to be underpopulated. Agrippa eloquently explained the lore side of it and the beta Internet community swarming to AD so it all made sense. Pixyditz just derailed the conversation by focusing only on the chillrend population after EG recently moved here (recently being last night)

well no offense so please dont take any, but this happened since chill2.0 started it wasnt because EG came yesterday. it happened the 2 days before EG came as well. and on dawnbreaker and on wabba and now chill DC has always had a good population, i dont think ive ever thought of us as being the low pop faction at all.

Lfehova · September 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

Well it's not like you can hide the fact that during primetime the map is entirely blue and you have emp, then we dethrone and go to sleep, the next day when we come back and get on during primetime, the map is entirely blue and you have emp.

So I'm just confused in how you think this is any different than what EP did on Chillrend before this reset, other than one is during the day when everyone is at work or school, and one is at night when everyone is asleep.

When we took the map blue the past couple days, it was 2bar blue vs 2-3 bar red. It's not my fault the EP want to emp swap and their emps suck. I don't think it's considering pvdooring when I have to 1v40 the EP inside a keep with the guards, just to hold the breach open for my alliance to put a new camp back up to come reinforce me.

Regardless, pray I'm not emp when I get off work tonight..

Lfehova · September 2014

Nala_ wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

i like you hova and im glad you came here to help us out on this campaign, but telling pix hes trolling because hes saying DC zergs everything during the day when EP and AD dont have numbers is true. ive tried to stop DC from camping the starting gates of EP multiple times over the past few days, we seriously take every keep EP has and then the rest of the map except for BB and BM.

I said he's trolling because this post initially was not a discussion of chillrend's specific population and pvp ebb and flow. It was a discussion of the generalization of all campaign populations and I was just wondering why DC seemed to be underpopulated. Agrippa eloquently explained the lore side of it and the beta Internet community swarming to AD so it all made sense. Pixyditz just derailed the conversation by focusing only on the chillrend population after EG recently moved here (recently being last night)

well no offense so please dont take any, but this happened since chill2.0 started it wasnt because EG came yesterday. it happened the 2 days before EG came as well. and on dawnbreaker and on wabba and now chill DC has always had a good population, i dont think ive ever thought of us as being the low pop faction at all.

>_< not talking about chillrend population. Talking about DC population as a whole across all campaigns.

Pixysticks · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

When we took the map blue the past couple days, it was 2bar blue vs 2-3 bar red.

Weird how everyone else sees something completely different than you do isn't it?

Rylana · September 2014

I see dead people

Lfehova · September 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

When we took the map blue the past couple days, it was 2bar blue vs 2-3 bar red.

Weird how everyone else sees something completely different than you do isn't it?

Enough feeding. Go back under your bridge until I come kill you tonight. See you in Cyrodiil.

Nala_ · September 2014

at least in the past few days ive never seen EP or AD outnumber DC during when i play. ( i play morning and a good amount of day central time)

but i mean its counteracted by no one having EPs numbers at night, but the balance it creates is so that during primetime is the only remotely competitive time to find fights, which sucks. im sure it will balance out but you gotta call it how you see it, theres no point in trying to hide the issue cause then its not gunna get fixd.

Lfehova · September 2014

Nala_ wrote: »

at least in the past few days ive never seen EP or AD outnumber DC during when i play. ( i play morning and a good amount of day central time)

but i mean its counteracted by no one having EPs numbers at night, but the balance it creates is so that during primetime is the only remotely competitive time to find fights, which sucks. im sure it will balance out but you gotta call it how you see it, theres no point in trying to hide the issue cause then its not gunna get fixd.

Well again, I primarily play primetime. So I see the nice triple pop locked fighting each other and I love the competition. But then I look at how high the ad pop is on Thornblade and I wonder why AD has so many players.

I'll admit though, I think emp is a little op. A good emp is worth about 5-15 organized players or the equivalent of 30-40 unorganized pugs.

The primetime pushing is pretty fun though. Not much keep exchange but lots of good fights and fun.

Pixysticks · September 2014

Lfehova wrote: »

I'll admit though, I think DK emp is a little op. A good DK emp is worth about 15 organized players or the equivalent of 30-40 unorganized pugs.

fixt

Lfehova · September 2014

Pixysticks wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

I'll admit though, I think DK emp is a little op. A good DK emp is worth about 15 organized players or the equivalent of 30-40 unorganized pugs.

fixt

Thank the gods of tamriel that I'm a DK.

Oktaine · September 2014

It's really weird how all this is shaking out. Hova gets pissed and announces he's coming to Chili, hey that's great we were undermanned and needed some help. But it took less than 24 hours for everyone on Thorn to follow.

Everyone says they want fair, balanced competitive pvp but the minute the tables turn against them they are out the door so fast it makes your head spin. And that goes for all 3 factions.

We have enough players to have two pretty decent campaigns but I doubt we will ever see it.

Honestly I think they need to sink all their resources into having one pvp server. Then all this run and hide and follow the leet guilds stuff comes to an end.

I picked DC because what I read before launch suggested they'd be out numbered, and for the most part in US prime time I think that's true. And I picked Chili when it opened to avoid the lag fest of Thorn. Fighting an uphill fight and losing is way more fun to me than just rolling like a freight train. Anyway I may be spending more time on Thorn soon. We'll just have to see how things go the next couple of days.

Lfehova · September 2014

Oktaine wrote: »

It's really weird how all this is shaking out. Hova gets pissed and announces he's coming to Chili, hey that's great we were undermanned and needed some help. But it took less than 24 hours for everyone on Thorn to follow.

Everyone says they want fair, balanced competitive pvp but the minute the tables turn against them they are out the door so fast it makes your head spin. And that goes for all 3 factions.

We have enough players to have two pretty decent campaigns but I doubt we will ever see it.

Honestly I think they need to sink all their resources into having one pvp server. Then all this run and hide and follow the leet guilds stuff comes to an end.

I picked DC because what I read before launch suggested they'd be out numbered, and for the most part in US prime time I think that's true. And I picked Chili when it opened to avoid the lag fest of Thorn. Fighting an uphill fight and losing is way more fun to me than just rolling like a freight train. Anyway I may be spending more time on Thorn soon. We'll just have to see how things go the next couple of days.

100% agreed.

One server. One campaign. No place to hide, no place to have a buff server.

I've always hated realms and different instances in any pvp game.

Nala_ · September 2014

Oktaine wrote: »

Hova gets pissed and announces he's coming to Chili, hey that's great we were undermanned and needed some help. But it took less than 24 hours for everyone on Thorn to follow.

first crystalized's group and the other red goes to chill to try to make it a buff server, then alacrity came to chill to help AD, then some other EP guilds follow crystalizeds, then chillrend resets to chillrend 2.0 and no mercy comes to chill to help DC, then EG comes because theyre useless without no mercy, then cloneinkks group comes to chillrend because no one else is left to fight on thornblade. meanwhile DiE stays on thornblade because all theyve ever done is PvDoor at night anyways.

just clarifying your timetable for you since you had things a bit mixed up