PBpsy wrote: »

NukaCola wrote: »

People can make this swapping system work but it doesn't mean that its a good system. I see it pointless in many ways. At first i saw it as a good thing. Swapping between melee and ranged getting abilities to compliment both weapons. Sounds good.

But what if you want to play a ranged character. Then i don't see why i must switch between two weapons. Why can't there be more slots? Everything has a cost anyway and there are other ways of balancing the system. Summons for example come with a penalty to magicka etc. You could use cooldowns too.

I use destruction staff and restoration staff and switch between them often. But there are people who use two identical destruction staffs. It's just stupid that you would have to do that because its the only way for more slots.

I haven't seen any real argument about how more slots could break the game. More abilities but still the same amount of mana/stamina to play with.

In truth the balance argument against one or two extra slots is really flimsy.I heard them talking about passive with per slotted skills which
Only NBs and DK have. NB get 3%crit per Assassination Skill slotted which is far OP or impossible to balance. DKs get some 5% increased health regen which is pretty inconsequential when they all have GDB.The other classes require one ability slotted to get the passive and usually everyone would have that ability slotted anyway. Adding one/two ability slots would give you one more attack or counter which can be balanced pretty easily by resources.

In the end the only good argument I heard was "I don't want to/can't stretch my fingers and I don't want to buy a mouse with thumb buttons",

Or the better argument that you ignored:

If they add 2 more slots, then a few weeks after people get bored, they'll ask for just one more. Because really, is it that much of a difference? And then I'd be able to have just that one more ability on my bar.

After a few months of repeating that, we'd all have WoW-esque screens, overflowing with useless buttons.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

NukaCola wrote: »

People can make this swapping system work but it doesn't mean that its a good system. I see it pointless in many ways. At first i saw it as a good thing. Swapping between melee and ranged getting abilities to compliment both weapons. Sounds good.

But what if you want to play a ranged character. Then i don't see why i must switch between two weapons. Why can't there be more slots? Everything has a cost anyway and there are other ways of balancing the system. Summons for example come with a penalty to magicka etc. You could use cooldowns too.

I use destruction staff and restoration staff and switch between them often. But there are people who use two identical destruction staffs. It's just stupid that you would have to do that because its the only way for more slots.

I haven't seen any real argument about how more slots could break the game. More abilities but still the same amount of mana/stamina to play with.

In truth the balance argument against one or two extra slots is really flimsy.I heard them talking about passive with per slotted skills which
Only NBs and DK have. NB get 3%crit per Assassination Skill slotted which is far OP or impossible to balance. DKs get some 5% increased health regen which is pretty inconsequential when they all have GDB.The other classes require one ability slotted to get the passive and usually everyone would have that ability slotted anyway. Adding one/two ability slots would give you one more attack or counter which can be balanced pretty easily by resources.

In the end the only good argument I heard was "I don't want to/can't stretch my fingers and I don't want to buy a mouse with thumb buttons",

Or the better argument that you ignored:

If they add 2 more slots, then a few weeks after people get bored, they'll ask for just one more. Because really, is it that much of a difference? And then I'd be able to have just that one more ability on my bar.

After a few months of repeating that, we'd all have WoW-esque screens, overflowing with useless buttons.

Sorry, but I do not give any consideration to fallacious slippery slope nonsense.

I'm fine with the combat and the numbers of abilities avalaible as it is! With the weapon swap I've more than enough.
Players that are not using weapon swap are just lazy peon *wink*, and do not deserve the 2 additional slot to compensate their laziness. I'm mean..if you are lazy, well, take the consequences

The other thing here is this. Let us keybind abilities directly. Now you don't have increased toolbar slots but can access these abilities.

1 more, please

So you all really think its a good idea to add 1 more slot, so every pvper always have mage light. And Dks get waaay over powered again because of several class only AE debuffs/damage shield/roots/ae magic damage and drain etc...."

They can not add another slot. But ok, even if they would. IS it really a good idea, or are you all just thinking about YOUR play?

No one seen the Werewolves 3 new abilities? They would love an extra bar and become insainly OP - from being not OP.

All view are of course valid to voice. But are you thinking about YOUR play, or how the game for ALL would work?

Even 1 slot, would break balance completely, for all! Some would be 10 x more powerful as a character! We finally got sort of balanced, where your personal skill shows. And lots of different odd, weird, new builds are showing.

Again, IS this more slots for YOU, or for the game?

Cogo wrote: »

So you all really think its a good idea to add 1 more slot, so every pvper always have mage light. And Dks get waaay over powered again because of several class only AE debuffs/damage shield/roots/ae magic damage and drain etc...."

They can not add another slot. But ok, even if they would. IS it really a good idea, or are you all just thinking about YOUR play?

No one seen the Werewolves 3 new abilities? They would love an extra bar and become insainly OP - from being not OP.

All view are of course valid to voice. But are you thinking about YOUR play, or how the game for ALL would work?

Even 1 slot, would break balance completely, for all! Some would be 10 x more powerful as a character! We finally got sort of balanced, where your personal skill shows. And lots of different odd, weird, new builds are showing.

Again, IS this more slots for YOU, or for the game?

I would think that the slot would be for everyone to use. So if every PvPer has magelight, and you PvP, guess what? You too can have magelight.

NukaCola wrote: »

Why does it bother people what other peoples UI looks like? Give us the choice to slot as many as we like. What does it matter really? All they have to do is tinker with the numbers on bonuses you get from slotting certain abilities.

You can the decide how many you want to use and hide the rest of the slots. This game doesn't have macros anyway so it will not look like Wow or any other game. MMO's need to be flexible. They already allow all kinds of addons so whats the problem with more slots? Switching skills around all the time is just a pain in the ass and completely a waste of time.

I think the issue is .....

Lets look at WOW current state of game. If I as a player went into WOW attempting to use simply only 5 abilities and zero macros or hell even simply 1-0,-,= keys with no macros would a good guild even consider letting me raid with them NO.

Why cause since you CAN have every ability available at once you NEED to its non optional any more.

Considering how important movement is in this game with the WASD keys MOST would find having additional keys to press during gameplay incredibly hard.

I look at WS's gameplay and its almost identical to this game except even MORE emphasis on movement with even MORE keys to press that has single handedly kept me away from trying an interesting looking game.

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Tapio75 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

NukaCola wrote: »

People can make this swapping system work but it doesn't mean that its a good system. I see it pointless in many ways. At first i saw it as a good thing. Swapping between melee and ranged getting abilities to compliment both weapons. Sounds good.

But what if you want to play a ranged character. Then i don't see why i must switch between two weapons. Why can't there be more slots? Everything has a cost anyway and there are other ways of balancing the system. Summons for example come with a penalty to magicka etc. You could use cooldowns too.

I use destruction staff and restoration staff and switch between them often. But there are people who use two identical destruction staffs. It's just stupid that you would have to do that because its the only way for more slots.

I haven't seen any real argument about how more slots could break the game. More abilities but still the same amount of mana/stamina to play with.

In truth the balance argument against one or two extra slots is really flimsy.I heard them talking about passive with per slotted skills which
Only NBs and DK have. NB get 3%crit per Assassination Skill slotted which is far OP or impossible to balance. DKs get some 5% increased health regen which is pretty inconsequential when they all have GDB.The other classes require one ability slotted to get the passive and usually everyone would have that ability slotted anyway. Adding one/two ability slots would give you one more attack or counter which can be balanced pretty easily by resources.

In the end the only good argument I heard was "I don't want to/can't stretch my fingers and I don't want to buy a mouse with thumb buttons",

Or the better argument that you ignored:

If they add 2 more slots, then a few weeks after people get bored, they'll ask for just one more. Because really, is it that much of a difference? And then I'd be able to have just that one more ability on my bar.

After a few months of repeating that, we'd all have WoW-esque screens, overflowing with useless buttons.

If people want more than 1-2 buttons, they would ask it now. All i see is people wishing for 1-2 slots more and at leas as far i am concerned, i know i will be happy with that for many years.

I played WOW from TBC and my overall experience was that those who called these abilities yseless, did not really know how to play at the peak performance. Every action had situational purpose and that was much better than reduced generalized abilites they have now.

This isn't necessarily true smarter people simply wouldn't ask for this game to be turned into wow instantly from its current state as it simply just WONT happen.

But 1 more ability could possibly be added. After that 1 more whats the harm in another. Then the we fall down the slippery slope.

Don't try to take the WHOLE cake at once people are going to notice but after your 1st and 2nd slice who's gonna notice a 3rd & 4th?

Tapio75 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

NukaCola wrote: »

People can make this swapping system work but it doesn't mean that its a good system. I see it pointless in many ways. At first i saw it as a good thing. Swapping between melee and ranged getting abilities to compliment both weapons. Sounds good.

But what if you want to play a ranged character. Then i don't see why i must switch between two weapons. Why can't there be more slots? Everything has a cost anyway and there are other ways of balancing the system. Summons for example come with a penalty to magicka etc. You could use cooldowns too.

I use destruction staff and restoration staff and switch between them often. But there are people who use two identical destruction staffs. It's just stupid that you would have to do that because its the only way for more slots.

I haven't seen any real argument about how more slots could break the game. More abilities but still the same amount of mana/stamina to play with.

In truth the balance argument against one or two extra slots is really flimsy.I heard them talking about passive with per slotted skills which
Only NBs and DK have. NB get 3%crit per Assassination Skill slotted which is far OP or impossible to balance. DKs get some 5% increased health regen which is pretty inconsequential when they all have GDB.The other classes require one ability slotted to get the passive and usually everyone would have that ability slotted anyway. Adding one/two ability slots would give you one more attack or counter which can be balanced pretty easily by resources.

In the end the only good argument I heard was "I don't want to/can't stretch my fingers and I don't want to buy a mouse with thumb buttons",

Or the better argument that you ignored:

If they add 2 more slots, then a few weeks after people get bored, they'll ask for just one more. Because really, is it that much of a difference? And then I'd be able to have just that one more ability on my bar.

After a few months of repeating that, we'd all have WoW-esque screens, overflowing with useless buttons.

If people want more than 1-2 buttons, they would ask it now. All i see is people wishing for 1-2 slots more and at leas as far i am concerned, i know i will be happy with that for many years.

I played WOW from TBC and my overall experience was that those who called these abilities yseless, did not really know how to play at the peak performance. Every action had situational purpose and that was much better than reduced generalized abilites they have now.

People have asked for it before this. The only thing that's changed is that those people have realized that if they ask for an entire screen's worth of buttons, they aren't going to get what they want. It's a slippery-slope argument, but it's absolutely what's going to happen in this case. After all, the only argument for having more buttons on the bar is so that choices aren't as hard to make. But adding one more button won't make your bar loadout all that much easier. You'll still be giving up great skills when you choose your active set. So maybe just another slot to make that easier. And then one more, and then we have WoW.

And you must have played a different WoW. I can confidently say that in any fight as a DPS, I hit the same 6-7 buttons (max), and I maybe used another ability once per raid.

Just speaking for myself (which is all I can do) all I want the extra 2 or 3 buttons is to add utility and survivability actions to my bar. I do decent damage as it is now and use 4 of the 5 buttons every fight. I really don't think that's asking a lot.

As far as WoW goes, my main character was a rogue. So my rotation was 7 buttons on a very consistent basis. But what I enjoyed most about that character were the other abilities I had. AOE damage? I had a damage reduction key. Aggro? I had 2 keys to help with that. Tank died and boss attacked me? I had a key for that. Boss casting a spell on me? I had a key for that also. It's that "utility" that I was able to bring just in case. I'm not asking for all of that here. Just some.

But the most aggravating part of it all for me is I can do these things but am limited by the choices I need to make. Do I take one of the buttons I use every fight and replace that so I can put in a defensive cool down that I may use once in a while? That's the choice that ZO wants me to make? Obviously the choice I made so far is to keep the damage dealing abilities and leave the defensive cooldowns off because I won't use them as much. And when I run into a fight where I might need that cooldown I'm to open my spell book, replace one of those abilities with my defensive cooldown and then voila! And should I not need it that fight, well better to be safe than sorry.

So like I said, at least while I'm soloing and leveling I choose to pump out as much damage as I can before things get to a point where I need that defensive cooldown. It works for the most part too. And sometimes I hit the keybinding I usually would hit to trigger off the defensive cooldown. Of course it doesn't work. I can't bind that combination of keys for one, and there's no buttons left. Old habit you see.

I would like about 2 or 3 extra skill slots.

Yes, combat is already becoming boring and feels restricted.

What others have said.

Build diversity.

Choices.

And what not.

It just seems crazy to me that with as many spells as we have available we can only access 5 at a time. But even more than that, because I use different setups for PvE and PvP what I'd love even more is the ability to have a second 2 bar setup available so I don't have to stop before going into Cyro and swap out my skills.

Zarman wrote: »

Yes, I would like 2 more spots, and 2 more on top of that for dedicated quickslots, because the wheel sucks

The wheel does suck, absolutely. Did you know you can get a mod for that till ZOS fixes it?