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Good! First-person is getting some help, but what about third-person? We've needed fixes too!
Attorneyatlawl
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-Allow us to zoom further away from behind the character while in 3rd-person view. I can barely see more than several feet to my sides, and a few feet behind me. This is completely inadequate for PVP and for boss fights where the boss is taller than my screen at this point. We actually used to be able to zoom out further in beta but they randomly (and without patch note or explanation) limited it to about 2/3 of that at some point. Even that was already borderline before, but now it is and has been way too close in for many game situations or players' preferences.
-Allow us to choose to center the camera on us or slightly above us instead of having it in an over-the-shoulder off-to-the-right position. Having the off-center camera feels completely wrong while running around in terms of the motion, is unintuitive for targeting, and causes motion sickness/makes the game hard to play due to that, for some people.
While for me it's a gameplay annoyance, I also have a relative who has been able to only play a little because she gets motion sick being so tightly in on her character while other MMO's have allowed her to zoom out enough that she's 100% fine with them.
-Allow us to adjust FOV for the third-person camera just as we can for the first-person one now. This shouldn't need any explanation, first-person mode has it, why can't we in third-person now? The constricted FOV feels awkward to me and impedes my enjoyment of the game just as I'm sure it did for first-person users.
These are all very much-needed changes that have been asked for just as long as FOV for first-person was and alongside them in the very same threads, so I am disappointed to see that they didn't touch third-person's problems here especially when one of them was shared directly with first-person view even and got fixed for that. I hope we can see a devpost addressing these needs.
Just to head off a few things in advance, NO there are no addons that allow for any of this functionality, NO there is no option in-game for it now, and NO, the fan-made closed-source esoLauncher executable doesn't provide this functionality nor is it particularly safe to use as it's basically what amounts to a third-party hack tool and has potential security risks associated (or could stop being supported any day the author decides to). These are important in-game options to have as I touched on above.
-Allow us to choose to center the camera on us or slightly above us instead of having it in an over-the-shoulder off-to-the-right position. Having the off-center camera feels completely wrong while running around in terms of the motion, is unintuitive for targeting, and causes motion sickness/makes the game hard to play due to that, for some people.
While for me it's a gameplay annoyance, I also have a relative who has been able to only play a little because she gets motion sick being so tightly in on her character while other MMO's have allowed her to zoom out enough that she's 100% fine with them.
-Allow us to adjust FOV for the third-person camera just as we can for the first-person one now. This shouldn't need any explanation, first-person mode has it, why can't we in third-person now? The constricted FOV feels awkward to me and impedes my enjoyment of the game just as I'm sure it did for first-person users.
These are all very much-needed changes that have been asked for just as long as FOV for first-person was and alongside them in the very same threads, so I am disappointed to see that they didn't touch third-person's problems here especially when one of them was shared directly with first-person view even and got fixed for that. I hope we can see a devpost addressing these needs.
Just to head off a few things in advance, NO there are no addons that allow for any of this functionality, NO there is no option in-game for it now, and NO, the fan-made closed-source esoLauncher executable doesn't provide this functionality nor is it particularly safe to use as it's basically what amounts to a third-party hack tool and has potential security risks associated (or could stop being supported any day the author decides to). These are important in-game options to have as I touched on above.
-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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Moiskormoimi✭✭✭✭Agreed. Also, make it so the character doesn't look constipated when you do zoom out on third person. They look ridiculous.4 -
NakedSnake✭✭✭Agreed on all counts.
Start with third person FOV this should have been a no brainer. Those that like it for first person also like it in third person as well."Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"2 -
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✭✭✭NakedSnake wrote: »Agreed on all counts.
Start with third person FOV this should have been a no brainer. Those that like it for first person also like it in third person as well.
Yeah, I was disappointed especially to see them add it for first but ignore the same option for third-person. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭I would not pull first-person-has-it-why-not third argument, because first person is inferior. E.g.:
You see nothing to the sides or behind you in first person mode, making all but routine combat much harder and, in PvP scenarios, puting you at disadvantage compared to player in 3PV mode. That you have few if any debuff/CC indicators, not counting the fact you suddenly can't move or use abilities, makes it even worse.I can barely see more than several feet to my sides, and a few feet behind me.
So I would say its 1PV mode that badly needs improvement, though taking 3PV mode out of the game entirely would be still better. But I recon managerial caste demands games be movie-like.
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kaosodin✭✭✭✭I would like to see 3some improvements to 3rd personEdited by kaosodin on June 8, 2014 6:46PM0 -
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✭✭✭I would not pull first-person-has-it-why-not third argument, because first person is inferior. E.g.:
You see nothing to the sides or behind you in first person mode, making all but routine combat much harder and, in PvP scenarios, puting you at disadvantage compared to player in 3PV mode. That you have few if any debuff/CC indicators, not counting the fact you suddenly can't move or use abilities, makes it even worse.I can barely see more than several feet to my sides, and a few feet behind me.
So I would say its 1PV mode that badly needs improvement, though taking 3PV mode out of the game entirely would be still better. But I recon managerial caste demands games be movie-like.
Another one of the "play my way or not at all!" guys, le sigh. Many people enjoy 3rd-person view and want it fixed. We're not demanding first-person be removed, and I can't imagine what would have you wishing 3rd-person be removed as a gameplay option when it was the original mode for ESO anyway (first-person was a later addition to placate people just like yourself). You're probably trolling since it has no logical argument behind it, but here's your food I guess...Edited by Attorneyatlawl on June 11, 2014 11:53AM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭✭✭Seeing this topic come up in places occasionally again lately... figured this could use to be seen once more.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭✭✭✭✭I mostly play 1st person but even i don't understand why they don't fix some of the obvious shortcomings of the current 3rd person setup.
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Cyberdown✭✭✭the big problem with zoomed out is loss of accuracy in target selection when you have a lot of potential targets. I would love to play more all the way zoomed out, but I feel like I just play worse, that's a big crosshair at that distance and can cover a couple enemies, its hard to get the right one....or know which one is selected some times.
better peripheral vision but I feel clunky and deprived of good accuracy.0 -
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✭✭✭the big problem with zoomed out is loss of accuracy in target selection when you have a lot of potential targets. I would love to play more all the way zoomed out, but I feel like I just play worse, that's a big crosshair at that distance and can cover a couple enemies, its hard to get the right one....or know which one is selected some times.
better peripheral vision but I feel clunky and deprived of good accuracy.
Be a good option to have, and with softlocking + priority tab-target it's not a big deal anyway. If you don't like it, don't use it
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Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭✭✭Another new thread on this topic...
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125686/option-for-centered-third-person-camera#latest-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭as long as its all optional it all sounds good. I like my camera being off to the right a bit, but if it annoys people there should be an option to change it.1 -
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✭✭✭Yeah, my intention on these suggestions was of course as options. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭✭✭And up... yet again. Close to a year later from my first in-game feedback on these problems and (if I were to try to dig the post up) around 8 months from my first psijic post similar to this OP.Edited by Attorneyatlawl on August 21, 2014 11:44PM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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Smiteye✭✭✭After seeing that inner light thread & how fast it got changed maybe you need to start mentioning the fcc stepping in, yelling at anyone who disagrees, and begging the devs with many posts a day, before theyre gonna do anything?2
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Komma✭✭✭✭✭Wish they would at least say something about it even if it's no go away lolKohma Kozzy-cr160-Stamblade
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✭✭✭Wish they would at least say something about it even if it's no go away lol
Would certainly be a nice thing to have some sort of more concrete feedback about the idea, over a year later. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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✭✭✭Just to link it, if anyone who read this is interested in seeing what these fixes could allow for as optional settings in picture format, check out my other thread made more recently: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/128451/here-s-how-eso-s-3rdperson-camera-should-be-adjustable-to-look-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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