squicker wrote: »

I remember playing pen and paper D&D before pen and paper was invented. We used bits of a sedimentary rock that modern humans call 'chalk' and mammoth hides, to write our character sheets. And back then, gem dice were *real* gem dice, not like the plastic things these spoilt kids use nowadays. We waited millions of years for coal to turn into diamonds that we used for D20s and not so many millions of years for emeralds which were D12 and D10, once we had hacked a side off with a bit of old jackal bone laying by the fire.

We didn't have D&D 'modules' as Gary Gygax hadn't been invented back then, so we sent the players into real dungeons (mazes) filled with actual dire wolves and sabre toothed tigers. Most of them didn't make it out alive, which was OK because that left more women for us not to form relationships with.

Contrary to popular belief however, giant spiders did not exist back then, so we covered real ones with wolf fur to make them look bigger.

Kids nowadays don't understand what they are missing.

I remember those days to, the whole outside world days, but I didn't want to confuse people with the purple haze days and real life, it might scare them from going into that mystical gateway and venturing into the realm where that orb of radiation travels from one end of the land to the other.

I choose last option and this says it all really. I like to play on my own, especially with own pace, just love to log into Tamriel to turn myself off after work but then I'm ending up grouping with others for public dungeons/anchors/world bosses etc. and having a ball

magnusnet wrote: »

Redlag wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

People voting for option 2 shouldn't play MMORPGs since that's not what this kind of games are bout.

Its what mmorgs were first created on. We didn't need each other. We became stronger with each other. People with your mentality allow them to limit us by making us need each other..

I hate you.

No no no, Option 2 is: I want to do my thing, ALONE, allways alone, and I don't mind having other people doing THEIR thing ALONE allways alone, around me. There is no "getting stronger with each other in option 2". What you're describing is last option.

Option 2 = paying 15 bucks a month to have real players replacing NPCs in a solo game, more bugs than non MMO solo games (that take 10x longer to fix) and updates no bigger than DLCs that come out after you've paid more than the original price of the game in subscription money.

I actually pity you. If you have that much money to waste consider donating to charity. If you want to play alone: Unsubscribe and go back to Morrowing, Oblivion & Skyrim while you wait for TES6, it's what you'll end up doing on the long run anyways and it will stop you from ruining the game for the MMO players.

Ya know, I have seen your posts in many a thread now and you always end up in the same place. Why is that? What is your special need to stick to the idea that solo players in an MMO are just ruining the game for everyone else?

In other words: what sour grapes did you eat somewhere that you assume all games are the same and in for trouble just because there is solo content in it or too many solo players? Cause you just sound angry and bitter all the time, dude...

I have been playing MMOs for years myself. I have already self-confessed to beeing a bit of a raiding junkie and that I love "phat loot" and really nasty hard content to beat in PvE (so shoot me now solo people... ). But I don't give two or even twelve rats pooties if there are people around me that HATE raids and groups or hard content. They do not bother me, my playstyle nor my goals when I play. If it gets to the point where I think the game doesn't offer me fun, I just leave. Simple.

I don't spend my time trying to dictate to others in an MMO what they should play like. I support everyone's choice to play as they like. Why? Because of this: it's a game. You write as if this these issues are serious life problems. They are not.

Personally, when I play I keep it real. I hope that the developers are smart enough to grow the game I want to play into something that has a viable path of gameplay for all the playstyles there are in that game's player base, since THAT is what will keep the game going long time and then I can still have my fun too - it will not "ruin" the game for me by a long shot.

So if this game doesn't offer you what you think it should and you so strongly belive that it is just getting ruined by all these solo players runing about, then maybe it's YOU who should leave.

magnusnet wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Redlag wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

People voting for option 2 shouldn't play MMORPGs since that's not what this kind of games are bout.

Its what mmorgs were first created on. We didn't need each other. We became stronger with each other. People with your mentality allow them to limit us by making us need each other..

I hate you.

No no no, Option 2 is: I want to do my thing, ALONE, allways alone, and I don't mind having other people doing THEIR thing ALONE allways alone, around me. There is no "getting stronger with each other in option 2". What you're describing is last option.

Option 2 = paying 15 bucks a month to have real players replacing NPCs in a solo game, more bugs than non MMO solo games (that take 10x longer to fix) and updates no bigger than DLCs that come out after you've paid more than the original price of the game in subscription money.

I actually pity you. If you have that much money to waste consider donating to charity. If you want to play alone: Unsubscribe and go back to Morrowing, Oblivion & Skyrim while you wait for TES6, it's what you'll end up doing on the long run anyways and it will stop you from ruining the game for the MMO players.

Ya know, I have seen your posts in many a thread now and you always end up in the same place. Why is that? What is your special need to stick to the idea that solo players in an MMO are just ruining the game for everyone else?

In other words: what sour grapes did you eat somewhere that you assume all games are the same and in for trouble just because there is solo content in it or too many solo players? Cause you just sound angry and bitter all the time, dude...

I have been playing MMOs for years myself. I have already self-confessed to beeing a bit of a raiding junkie and that I love "phat loot" and really nasty hard content to beat in PvE (so shoot me now solo people... ). But I don't give two or even twelve rats pooties if there are people around me that HATE raids and groups or hard content. They do not bother me, my playstyle nor my goals when I play. If it gets to the point where I think the game doesn't offer me fun, I just leave. Simple.

I don't spend my time trying to dictate to others in an MMO what they should play like. I support everyone's choice to play as they like. Why? Because of this: it's a game. You write as if this these issues are serious life problems. They are not.

Personally, when I play I keep it real. I hope that the developers are smart enough to grow the game I want to play into something that has a viable path of gameplay for all the playstyles there are in that game's player base, since THAT is what will keep the game going long time and then I can still have my fun too - it will not "ruin" the game for me by a long shot.

So if this game doesn't offer you what you think it should and you so strongly belive that it is just getting ruined by all these solo players runing about, then maybe it's YOU who should leave.

TLDR, stopped when you started to talk about feelings and bitterness and things that happened IRL that might explain bla bla bla bla.

Simple fact, the game is going good, devs are doing a good job and people keep complaining and there is currently an outrage of single players crying because they can't get to VR12 or VR14 without grouping and I find that completely ridiculous in an MMO especially when many of those players have admitted they are just TES fans and didn't want an MMOG.

I did not say IRL, dude. You went there all on your own. If the shoe fits, I rest my case.

As is, I was referring to your game experience which you keep on about as having and that in that MMO experience it gets ruined. and YES you sound bitter about it.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Also, re: "TLDR" you have written freaking walls of texts in many of your own posts, so if you can't bother to read, apply that to yourself.

magnusnet wrote: »

Well if you interpret #2 to mean that then you might just as well have voted for last option which clearly describes what you interpret #2 to be

Yeah, sadly, that is not what the last option says:

"I am happy to solo or group with friends and I am happy to share that world with others"

The poll option does not really cover the case of grouping with non-friends, people who happen to be around, and it implies that the grouping is organized and with the same people all the time.

I often feel that the grouping mechanisms are forced and artificial, a metagame construct. In ESO, there are significant problems with grouping due to phasing, which compounds this and makes it more difficult to do stuff outside of a formal planned and vetted group.

As I travel solo around Tamriel, visiting places and experiencing things, there are other people around me. They are strangers on different paths with different goals. We may enter the same structure, kill the same monsters, and talk to the same people. Sometimes we might mutually agree to complete some objective together, going our separate ways when done. This is done simply by using F and inviting them to a group.

Other times we may be moving through the area cooperating to kill monsters and no group is formed. They may be a DK that likes to chain pull, so I wait for them to pull. Other times they might be a NB that likes the sneak, so I wait for them to attack and support. Sometimes I am in the thick of things and they are healing me. They are there while I am and I adjust my play style to compliment theirs. I stay there as long as convenient, and it continues to serve my goals, and move on when it is time. This is how most Dark Anchors play out.

To me, this is Option #2, preferred solo play and happy to have others around.

The last option also implies that I do group instance dungeons. I do not. Since launch, I have done precisely zero. This is mostly because they tend to be organized and when I group I tend to do it more spontaneously and with much less formality. Like I said, to me grouping tends to be forced and artificial, a metagame construct.

I ofc prefer to play by myself and for the most part i pretty much only do this.

But i dont really mind sharing the world with others , i would even say i prefer to see other people also running around and killing things.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I ofc prefer to play by myself and for the most part i pretty much only do this.

But i dont really mind sharing the world with others , i would even say i prefer to see other people also running around and killing things.

Must get eyes checked. Thought you said you preferred playing with yourself

Why on earth would I ever play a multiplayer game if I didn't like sharing the world with others?

I like soloing, small groups and random interactions with strangers. I avoid large groups and all kinds of PvP. I'm mostly happy with the balance of solo and group content, my only problem is with VR 10-14 where there's no alternative to grouping. I'm looking forward to the solo adventure zone promised by ZOS, though it's probably still many weeks away.

Ourorboros wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Seriously. Why would you play ESO if you didn't want to see other people? Single player games have much more detail and freedom to customize. I used like 100 mods in Skyrim to make everything exactly the way I wanted. ESO is so you can quest with real people, but people who like single player games have some better choices than the ESO treadmill.

How about because we're Elder Scrolls fans, have played the previous games, and had to accept the MMO aspect if we wanted to continue with the next Elder Scroll incarnation. I wasn't too happy it was MMO or not at all. I've still played most of the game solo, but some areas are impossible to solo. Honestly, I've enjoyed grouping when it's needed, but mostly, I like to do my own thing. I tend to be like @Redlag described in his post...he nailed it.

These players should do what they've always done, that is wait 5 years for the next single player TES and stop wasting everyone's time trying to remove MMO aspects from an MMO. We have five single player games not counting spin-offs; let the multiplayer fans have their own thing too. They waited for ESO much longer than we've waited for TES VI so far.

I mostly solo but will group with anyone that wants to. I have on occassion started my own group for dungeons. Like was stated earlier, I'd group with just about anyone to get the job done. Anyone that wants to friend or play together I absolutely will not refuse. I don't have the same hangups that others do in refusing someone b/c they play a templar or wear heavy armor etc.

Phantax wrote: »

You didn't have an option for -

"I am a grumpy old git who prefers to play solo but will begrudgingly share it with you young wiper-snappers"

Option 2

I have been a (very) hard core guild leader in WoW. In other games I was sometimes accused of "zerging" (my youtube videos can show that).

However ESO is different and is closer to an intimate experience like SWTOR than other MMOs. Other MMOs are made with "realm pride (DAoC, Warhammer)", "faction pride" (WoW, GW2 and maaaaany others) where the guy is indeed naturally placed in a "many guys to achieve an objective" scenario.

In SWTOR and ESO, instead, you are depicted more or less as "The Chosen One", the storylines are totally identical so single player games where the players is usually The Chosend One (for whatever lore reason).
This makes it very immersion breaking to play "Chosen One" in a compelling storyline with lots of voice acting (again, like SWTOR) and lots of cinematics... and then you have to group with: "LOL STOP WASTING TIME WITH NPCs we are grinding the Time achievement farm farm farm grind grind grind LOL" guys.

More than that, players finish a beautiful and engaging storyline... just to be thrown in the most terrible game design of the last decade aka Grindlorn.

It's totally anticlimactic, it's the definition of immersion breaking.

But it'd be understandable and acceptable... if only the tiny social features in game weren't so utterly terrible: useless craptastic group tool, pointless "one in a million" disposable guilds where it's hard to form any strong relationship.

Result: even being in 5 guilds it becomes just UGLY to convince 3 other guys to break their balls and do 4 men Grindlorn content with you. You usually get told: "4 men are worthless, why don't you just grind champions". Too bad I am VR 12 since a long time...

I WANT to group, but it just does not happen. I have multiple trials achievements but... getting a group to do Grindlorn? Nope, won't happen.

And now we are about to get more of the same manure.

Rosveen wrote: »

These players should do what they've always done, that is wait 5 years for the next single player TES and stop wasting everyone's time trying to remove MMO aspects from an MMO. We have five single player games not counting spin-offs; let the multiplayer fans have their own thing too. They waited for ESO much longer than we've waited for TES VI so far.

I have yet to hear anyone ask for removal of MMO aspects. Just players frustrated with getting to V10 and having nothing to do on their own anymore in the fashion they had until that point. Obviously the game isn't meant to be all group or pvp, or there would be no solo quests at all. Its just the frustration of players that keep watching content come to the game that excludes their chosen play style.

Is there a successful MMO out there that stops your character building if you don't group/pvp? ( I honestly don't know) and by that I mean level cap/skills.