Do you like or dislike increasing Vet Ranks?

Nestor · August 2014

Undecided.

Maverick827 wrote: »

That wasn't a straw man argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

Giving a logical fallacy as an answer is a strawman argument.

heyguyslol · August 2014

Dislike!

Maverick827 wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

The reason I dislike level increases at such short intervals is, that it makes gear in this game absolutely meaningless at the moment. There was already too little gear progression, now there will be even less.

I'm sorry but it's been THREE MONTHS since the last level cap increase. That's 3 months without any form of character progression, most players don't like to stagnate.

You don't need to increase the level cap to offer character progression. No other MMO increases the level cap this frequently and yet they all continuously offer character progression.

You also discount the 1.3 set bonus change, which prompted many people to have to re-make their sets.
Reach VR10, craft a set of legendary gear.

Surprise! Level cap increase two months into the game! Scrap VR10 legendaries, create VR12 legendaries.

Surprise! Set bonuses have changed! Scrap VR12 legendaries and make new VR12 legendaries.

Surprise! Another level cap increase four months into the game!

When does it end? What's the point of legendary gear?

Seems to me the only reason they are adding more VR ranks is for Trials because if they add more Trial content as they are they have to offer gear that is better than what players have already earned.

Personally I don't like the Trial system even tho I do enjoy PVE raiding but the Trial system just isn't fun imo and I don't like the fact that because of Trials we all have to re-craft gear and grind 2 more VR's.

Imo there is a small % of players that actually do Trials the rest do PVP and PVE questing & Vet Dungeons.

Why punish the majority of the player base with a new lvl cap just to satisfy Trial players?

Very poor development choice by Zos and I see this pushing players away and canceling subs than keeping them.

Maverick827 · August 2014

Dislike!

Nestor wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

That wasn't a straw man argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

Giving a logical fallacy as an answer is a strawman argument.

You are still incorrect.

If I had said "oh, you think we should remove item rarities? That's a terrible idea because ...," then that would be a straw man argument. But I did not say that.

KraidenDove · August 2014

Undecided.

Vote seems to overwhelmingly say don't do it. Now will they listen?

Mumyo · August 2014

Dislike!

It's simply a trick to win time... i got that feeling that there are just 2 programmers left who try to fix the hordes of bugs this alpha version of a game has...

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

Like!

Jackfu21 wrote: »

Frenkthevile wrote: »

I'm tired of MMOs for casual players. Finally i found again vertical progression and new maps addition like in the ''good old times''. Go play gw2 if you like so much fancy hats and a character that will always remain the same, with the same build!

Yeah some people have these things called jobs so how about we just leave it 12 is enough for now.

Some people play at a speed or skill level that with jobs they are able to complete content just fine. Don't blame lack of time for not being able to accomplish things that don't take much.

Nestor wrote: »

OK, you can respond with a straw man argument or you can answer my question. I am honestly wondering if the gear makes that much of a difference in the game between Blue and Gold. If you don't know one way or the other, then don't post.

It doesn't... you're talking sub-1% gains on armor items, and about 3% at best on your weapons. But it's easier to blame your gear than the truth in many cases.

Azraeel · August 2014

Like!

Although i selected Like, but I can understand that it sucks to have best gear in game just to have to work things out all over again.

Volkodav · August 2014

Like!

When I reached level 50 and got sent back to do statrer quests with lvl 50 enemies,I was really annoyed,cos I didnt know I was going to get kicked back like that.I'd already done those quests.However,after doing them,I would up in a place now that I am V3,where all content is new,and tons of it is solo,.and not a lot of group.Which is nice.I mean there are other players around sometimes that you can join up with for a particularly hard quest,sure,but it isnt required.And,it's new to me. I be happy.
I had been listening to people who perhaps had not done all the quests needed to unlock new areas.If,at any point,you cant finish a quest,go onto something else.Come back later when you are a higher level and finish them up.Eventually,it all opens up for you.
I no longer plan to whimper cos I cant do something,..unless it's bugged.

Nestor · August 2014

Undecided.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

It doesn't... you're talking sub-1% gains on armor items, and about 3% at best on your weapons. But it's easier to blame your gear than the truth in many cases.

That is what I thought. I just hit VR ranks, and when I went from VR1 to VR2, I made a new set of armor. It only slightly improved the armor stats from VR1 to VR2, I was kind of expecting a bigger jump (based on the number of Exp points needed to gain a level), but it was not that significant. I may even skip the VR3 armor when I hit that level and wait until VR4. This will mirror what I did when leveling to 50, although I skipped 4 levels between armor sets in that situation.

So, I don't even see a need, if I was VR12 to even make any armor until I reached VR14

Blkadr · August 2014

I hate it. I now spend days and days doing quests to get that 1 level. I do a huge quest to watch the level bar not budge at all. I want my immediate gratification and I want it now! Also not getting exp for killing things bugs the hell out of me. I feel like I'm wasting my time.

I was excited to get level 2 and I get... a costume. Not even a skill point, an ugly-ass useless costume. I hope they change this soon.

I can't even build up my armor and weapons because I can't find the correct ingredients or enough of them, and I have people bringing me things left and right.

heyguyslol · August 2014

Dislike!

I've decided to cancel my sub due to this change of adding more Veteran Ranks. However, this is not the only reason its just as they say "The straw that broke the camels back".

I'm sick of them not prioritizing game fixes that should have been fixed months ago but instead are taking my sub money to improve npc lip sycing to add immersion to the game.

I don't know about the rest of you but I want a weapon swap that works. I want "Break Free" cc immunity to work. I want exploits like Blazing shield fixed.

I'm not going to continue to sub and support the devs if they are not doing their job. So they are fired and won't be getting a pay check from me until they address these issues.

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

Like!

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

I've decided to cancel my sub due to this change of adding more Veteran Ranks. However, this is not the only reason its just as they say "The straw that broke the camels back".

I'm sick of them not prioritizing game fixes that should have been fixed months ago but instead are taking my sub money to improve npc lip sycing to add immersion to the game.

I don't know about the rest of you but I want a weapon swap that works. I want "Break Free" cc immunity to work. I want exploits like Blazing shield fixed.

I'm not going to continue to sub and support the devs if they are not doing their job. So they are fired and won't be getting a pay check from me until they address these issues.

All three of the listed things work properly 99% of the time. And lip syncing the mouths a little more cleanly in first-person view is probably a pretty low priority fix compared to the many other things needing work still, would be my hunch. I for one am glad they aren't dumping huge amounts of resources and prioritizing it when so much else needs to be added and improved and such a small detail really can be done as a side-project over time internally, anyway, until it's ready.

philip.ploegerb16_ESO · August 2014

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Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Some people play at a speed or skill level that with jobs they are able to complete content just fine. Don't blame lack of time for not being able to accomplish things that don't take much.

1. You aren't PvP Rank 50, so content not cleared.
2. There are better ways to give players a way to advance, like alternate advancement or Realm abilities.

heyguyslol · August 2014

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Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

All three of the listed things work properly 99% of the time.

Ahh NO they don't. You obviously don't play pvp much or at all if u believe this or your just trolling.

Attorneyatlawl · August 2014

Like!

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Some people play at a speed or skill level that with jobs they are able to complete content just fine. Don't blame lack of time for not being able to accomplish things that don't take much.

1. You aren't PvP Rank 50, so content not cleared.
2. There are better ways to give players a way to advance, like alternate advancement or Realm abilities.

1) This conversation wasn't about pvp. It has been talking about PVE content as this thread is about that... don't take quotes out of context and then try to make a point that wasn't even being discussed and wouldn't even make make sense to point out in a conversation that actually was (which this was not) about pvp, considering no one in the game is alliance rank 50

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2) And I have always said on the ESO forums for quite a long time now, as someone who played DAOC 7 years and Warhammer for about 2, that realm ranks and passives are a far better system for enhancing characters than continually replacing gear

. Thanks for backing up my ideas though and I'm glad you agree.

Smashadamz · August 2014

Dislike!

Hit lvl 50, become a "Veteran Player", add in the champion system but let us be aloud to keep lvling from PVP and questing but you never lvl up instead you get a skill point similar to guild wars. That way we can max out all weapon skills and what not without having to respec alot. Ive spent about 700k+ respeccing just getting every skill maxed out (i no most people wont do that but i like diff playstyles and i switch alot).

KraidenDove · August 2014

Undecided.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Some people play at a speed or skill level that with jobs they are able to complete content just fine. Don't blame lack of time for not being able to accomplish things that don't take much.

1. You aren't PvP Rank 50, so content not cleared.
2. There are better ways to give players a way to advance, like alternate advancement or Realm abilities.

1) This conversation wasn't about pvp. It has been talking about PVE content as this thread is about that... don't take quotes out of context and then try to make a point that wasn't even being discussed and wouldn't even make make sense to point out in a conversation that actually was (which this was not) about pvp, considering no one in the game is alliance rank 50 .

This conversation does have to deal with pvp as an increase in Veteran ranks significantly touches that issue. Second, this thread is listed as a general discussion so your arguments to dismiss are invalid. Finally, if you are legitimately attempting to make the argument that grinding the veteran ranks was not an unnecessary burden on the average working player by insinuating that "some people" was the majority, then I think you should examine your playtime/style. This increase to VR ranks is an attempt to appease the min/max elitist population of this game and the undeniable pole numbers in this post proves it. Even with a 6% error and all undecided placed towards "like" there is still a 5 point decider. This change is a burden on the player base, unwarranted, and a bad policy move.

jrgray93 · August 2014

Undecided.

I have made it to VR3 passively through PVP. I should probably do some PVE content but I want to unlock Barrier first...

AzureButterfly · August 2014

Dislike!

New abilities and skill lines would be preferable to more meaningless levels. Raising the VR cap makes players buy or craft new equipment, thus creating a gold sink, but that's about it. It's an incredibly artificial way to add a sense of character progression.There's no sense of accomplishment for leveling up VR - you don't even get the musical fanfare when you hit the next VR level!

Most of the skill points you get in VR comes from completing the main questlines and running through dungeons. It would make just as much sense for the game to cap at lv 50 and have character growth dictated entirely by learning new abilities.

VR feels more like a bandaid fix than a fully fleshed-out element of the game. The other two factions are a pain to go through (even if you like ESO's storytelling) not only because your character feels stagnant but also because you have to fight your own alliance over the course of the questline. It would have been more fun if your character was considered an outlaw in the enemy territories and you'd have to sneak past or kill their soldiers while you collected Skyshards.

If more interesting gold sinks were introduced (housing, costumes for everyday clothing, a lottery system where you could win gear or crafting materials) there wouldn't be a point in adding more vet ranks. The game is so focused on exploration that vet ranks feel like an annoying hurdle in the way rather than a means of character progression.

Daethz · August 2014

Dislike!

Because the v10+ is all multiplayer required content, I heavily dislike it.

Tintaglia72 · August 2014

Like!

I really enjoy Vet Content. Currently running a Temp at V7. There are 45 ish normal levels for every 6 Vet levels so I don't understand why people think it should be a quick thing.

People moan about wanting solo content but hate that there is solo content. Meh. I play for me and I like being able to do what I like on my own for a few hours after a hard day at work. I hate being forced to group, I hate being forced to solo. I want to group or solo when I want to which currently I have found is the case. Even in Vet zones there are people who want to do WB's and Dolmens, it might not be immediately but I always get them done. Often they all get done together as a few of us ride around and complete them all and then go our separate ways.

I am not a fangirl. I know that there are issues with the game that are still being worked out but personally I have no complaints.

like1tiger · August 2014

Like!

I enjoy getting xp when ever im doing something. So im all for them upping the cap as I still have so much to do.

Omyz · September 2014

Dislike!

I'd like to see the numbers indicating how many players have actually completed the current Craglorn content. The whole zone, trials, quests etc. Grouping at different quest levels is still a pain in the ascii for the zone quests, unless you are just grinding.
Spending the same time grouped in PVP on a full pvp server nets you a fraction of the gain grinding mobs in pve Craglorn groups.

I don't mind grouping, I despise grinding. When it's more efficient to level just hitting the first couple of bosses in an instance over and over again as fast as possible instead of completing zone content... there is a problem.

You might as well stop developing anything other than one stationary boss with tons of trash mobs and call it done.