Thanks for the Loyalty Program, but if the gifts take an Inventory Space I don't need 'em

sotonin · August 2014

UlanX wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

yeah.. those freakin CE maps from preorder package are killer also. Can't put the damn thing in the bank so you have to open it and then put each map in the bank. so annoying, it was horrible as a fresh player with very limited space all around

You can take them out one at a time so you don't end up with a bank full of maps )

If they let me put it in the bank it wouldn't be a problem. bag space is a commodity i cant have a useless container of maps constantly taking up a spot at that point in the game (very beginning)

Doc_Baconb14_ESO · August 2014

I am super psyched for the ice-wraith pet. I think its the perfect reward for long time subscribers. Cooler that we get something at all.

tomiffseb17_ESO · August 2014

This topic is not serious is it? How can you say something like this for a bonus no matter what kind of bonus is it?????? Delete the mail, or the pet if you dont need it. And thats it. No one needs this kind of attitude. Come on, stuffs taking bank space in mmo games? I never heard about such a thing.....

Vizier · August 2014

There is a person that typically adds nothing to the conversation but derision. Honestly best to ignore and move on. You'll feel better for it. I know I do.

WHAT!?

Pseudonym · August 2014

I found this awesome looking wolf in one of the camps. I'd love a wolf pet:

Sapphy24 · August 2014

Roland44 wrote: »

Hadn't heard about the dev plans for vanity pets to be migrated out of inventory. If that's true then that's awesome.

They should also include the other items like trophies and such. Hopefully they will.

Someone asked what's in my Bank?

My bank is currently lvl 2? With 80 slots. The only items in there are crafting items. Lots for provisioning and cooking.

Lots of everything else.

I currently have 4 characters all under 20. The 4th was specifically made to be a mule.

My main has 2k gold atm

So I'm not rolling in cash and the 5k for the next upgrade seems a bit far atm.

The way I like to play is at odds I guess with the way the game is designed.

I enjoy crafting (normally) and I normally have several toons. As I play on each, I harvest what I can when I pass it. I also like to pass loot to other toons that could use it as I lvl them up.

The problem with this game is that everything can be picked up by any toon. I hate passing something I know my alt will need, whether its ore or flowers.

I quickly filled my bank with crafting mats on the first day of play lol

This wouldn't be as bad if it was easier to transfer items to alts like using the mail system, which I utilize in other games like LOTRO. But here it requires logging in and out repeatedly. Doable but it's a hassle to be sure.

It's also irritating to have items I'd like to keep like pets and maps and such take up what's for me atm, very valuable space.

I don't mind making alts to actually "do" different crafts. That makes sense imo

But I hate that I'm having to use character slots to simply make extra space.

I'd really like to hear from the Devs about how they themselves handle this issue when trying to cover several or all the crafts. Especially early on when space and money is so limited.

Maybe they simply didn't want a single player doing all the crafts...

All I know is in 20 plus yrs of mmo gaming I've never had an issue with inventory management like I have here nor have I had to use as much time in trying to figure out ways around the hurdles that seem intent on making it as difficult as possible to enjoy the crafting experience.

I'm really trying to enjoy the game. I happily pay to play. But some aspects are feeling quite tedious more than enjoyable.

And if I'm feeling that way I'm sure there are others .

And that's a problem for a game that relies on subs to survive.

Imo

Hi to the people that make it so. Do you see this? Do you care? Will you ever do anything about it?
The banking system. Its from last century.
My one big problem with this game.
I love the game, but damn it I hate your banking system.

twev · August 2014

Araflin wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Araflin wrote: »

What if they sent you a free bag space attached to a pet?

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That would be acceptable; I could delete the pet.

But the bag space was attached to the pet.. you just deleted it. Well done, you decided to not have a reward and simply keep playing.

You just hit on the absolutely perfect solution.
Seriously.
They give us a free pet.
Attached to a free storage slot.

If the recipient doesn't like or want the pet, they delete it.
And the storage slot is gone, too.

Absolutely perfect.
I'd offer to pay a months sub for you, if I could, but I gave you an 'Awesome', instead, cuz I know that doesn't break any rules....

Roland44 · August 2014

ZOS_CatK wrote: »

Greetings to all of you!

This is a short reminder to keep this thread on topic. Disagreements are bound to happen and we are doing what we can to gather as much feedback as possible. However, personal conversations can and should be carried out via PM.

Thank you for your understanding!

Thank you!

Roland44 · August 2014

Fleymark wrote: »

Araflin wrote: »

Your retort is a lie as can be seen in your previous post.
I have no further wish to take this thread away from the topic as intended. My inbox is open to you should you wish to discuss this issue further.

Synopsis :
Some people object to receiving gifts for their subscription, as it is not the gift they wanted.

So I'm lying now? About what, specifically, please?

People on these forums are just unreal sometimes.

And, no, it's not about people not liking the loyalty reward. There may have been a poster or two earlier in the thread who said that but if you actually read the thread and read the title of the thread, for that matter, it's about the reward (which is what it is, not a "gift") taking up inventory space in a game that already has a problematic inventory system.

I'm not sure why this specific point is so hard for some people to grasp. This thread Isnt a complaint about the pet. It's about inventory being a problem and pets and trophies adding to the problem.

Exactly Flaymark!

It was never about getting a "gift" or what the gift/reward was...except in the sense that if it took a permanent Inventory spot somewhere.

The whole "give me a extra slot as a reward" was intended to be somewhat of a joke and a little sarcastic in truth.

I never expected, desired or want any "gift" for Subscribing.

I simply want a game that has mechanics that make sense and allow a enjoyable gaming experience.

ZOS could keep the exact inventory setup with the exact same number of spaces and simply refine the "way" items are placed, in regards to stacking amounts and having certain items be account bound and not required to be IN your inventory like we've discussed.

This was never about me not receiving the right said gift. It's all about the mechanics of the inventory system...that I feel could and should be done much better than it is in its current state.

Regards

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Believe it or not, ZO isn't obligated to give you anything, much less a reward for your loyalty.

I think the majority of players are happy to get a little bonus every now and then, even if it's not a helping hand with managing their inventory. I'd even go so far as to say that most players would find it extremely rude and ungrateful for someone to look a gift Ice Wraith in the mouth.

You don't have to defend ZOS all the time you know. The OP has a valid point. These things do take up valuable inventory space. I would also like to be able to keep the things they give us without having to sacrifice my inventory. I don't see any reason they can't mark them the same way quest items are. I don't see what's so rude or ungrateful about making that request.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Lunerdog wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

So much truth in this thread it's sad but true. Show us some reward for our loyalty by giving some free bonus bank or inventory upgrades

I'd prefer they didn't give any rewards, because it reinforces the viewpoint that they owe us something in exchange for us enjoying their product.

You really do talk utter drivel sometimes (most of the time).

Their product isn't free, we pay for it, we paid for the initial purchase and we pay a monthly fee so yes, they do us something.

They owe us a bug free highly enjoyable gaming experience that will keep us coming back for more and keep us handing the money over and there's no reason why loyalty rewards shouldn't be a part of it.

Pretty much every comment I have ever read in every thread from this poster. The way he talks it's almost as though ZOS is doing us a favor by allowing us to pay for this game.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raeina wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To respond to a few of the actual points raised:

1. ZO owes you access to the game they made. That's it. If you don't like the game, no one is making you pay for it. So don't play.

Attitudes like the ones on display in this thread are exactly why we can't have nice things. If ZO offers other players a dog during a special sale, the forums explode. When they offer a loyalty program to give out special gimmicks like pets, players still act like the girls on My Super-Sweet 16 when they don't get the right color of BMW. Don't like/want the free pet? Too bad. Maybe you'll like the next one. That's life.

This is a really immature way to respond to people with legitimate complaints. People are allowed to be critical of a service they pay for. Are they entitled to more? Ofc not, but they are absolutely allowed to have complaints. If all the people you would tell to quit actually did, well, hope you're ok with f2p mmos.

They are adding a loyalty program exactly for that. Devs love their games but the people who pay them love profit. This isn't some fluffy way for them to tell you they love you, it's a way to hopefully keep people subbed even if content isn't coming out atm. This games entire lifeforce is based on keeping a solid playerbase. You lose players, you start seeing content cuts, you start seeing micro-transactions, and eventually if that can't sustain it you see f2p models.

So no, telling people to 'adapt or quit' or that they 'whine about everything' is not what you do if you truly love a game. You need to take everyone's opinions into consideration and accept that people want different things, and while not all their points are legit SOME of them are.

I personally love pets. I'm a huge pet collector in other games but don't bother in this one because yes, my bank is filled to the brim and no, I don't want to have to switch to a mule to shift mats around when I want to craft.

You really need to chill with your overzealous attitude because all those entitled brats you tell to suck it up or quit are what's keeping this game from being a f2p mess.

I can't disagree more strongly.

The entitled brats you refer to are a very vocal minority on the forums any time something doesn't go their way. The vast majority of players never hear about some of the "issues" raised here, much less feel that they are severe enough to warrant quitting.

You know what most people do with a subscription-based game? They play it. If they don't like it, they don't subscribe. Period.

I really don't think you get it.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

UlanX wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

The entitled brats you refer to are a very vocal minority on the forums any time something doesn't go their way. The vast majority of players never hear about some of the "issues" raised here, much less feel that they are severe enough to warrant quitting.

You know what most people do with a subscription-based game? They play it. If they don't like it, they don't subscribe. Period.

It's rare to see a voice of reason in some of these threads and I couldn't agree more with your response. There is most definitely a vocal minority who will complain about absolutely everything and will never be happy. That's not to detract from legitimate feedback some people provide but here on the forums is doesn't happen that way. What I see is people being demanding, rude, selfish and ignorant. They start a thread that is basically a tantrum because something is not exactly how they want it then abuse Zenimax and threaten to rage quit. When people post a counter view in their pity post, they go about insulting them.

Get a room.

Nestor · August 2014

Fleymark wrote: »

It's ridiculous. Sometimes I seriously have to wonder what's in the water around here.

You do know I was talking about the horse right?

Howl · August 2014

I agree. I don't really care about vanity pets. They have only been shoehorned into the game by the publishers, most likely. I deleted all the digital tat that came with the game as it took up inventory space. Same with the quest trophies.

zhevon · August 2014

oren74 wrote: »

Pseudonym wrote: »

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth!

I am 38 years old, and still have do not understand this analogy.

I think this is it - One of the things you do when buying a horse is look at their teeth to judge their health and age. Its perhaps considered a bit rude to be overly critical of a gift.

emeraldbay · August 2014

Did they start handing out the ice wraiths? cool, though I hate that they'll take up inventory space.

Ad.Absurdum · August 2014

that trophies get their own inventory space would really be a good idea. i have 4 chars that i play activly and each of them i levelling other crafts. i think mor than half of my bank space is taken up by runes... enchanting is pretty slow to level and so i do not delete the runes. sure, i could buy more bankspace, i have 140 slots atm - but it is just too expensive. i really would like to keep trophies but i think soon i need to delete them

this game was designed with lots of collectible stuff but the bank space is completely the opposite of this desing decision. i don't get it and i am pretty tired of logging in and out just to empty my bank.

leandro.800ub17_ESO · August 2014

I still cant understand all the fuss. I have 150 bank space and cant even reach 130 that's with a lot of item sets that i don't use.

Roland44 · August 2014

leandro.800ub17_ESO wrote: »

I still cant understand all the fuss. I have 150 bank space and cant even reach 130 that's with a lot of item sets that i don't use.

Do craft with enchanting and provisionong?

Do you have alts that you want to transfer items to?

If a player doesn't craft or religiously sticks to a single crafting specialty then space wouldn't be as big a deal most likely.

But if you do craft, specificay the ones mentioned along with say Blacksmithing...and you try to hold on to items to transfer to alts to breakdown or study.

Then it becomes a micro management mess rather quickly.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

leandro.800ub17_ESO wrote: »

I still cant understand all the fuss. I have 150 bank space and cant even reach 130 that's with a lot of item sets that i don't use.

Part of the problem is also how much it costs to achieve that much bank space.

Gedalya · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Believe it or not, ZO isn't obligated to give you anything, much less a reward for your loyalty.

I think the majority of players are happy to get a little bonus every now and then, even if it's not a helping hand with managing their inventory. I'd even go so far as to say that most players would find it extremely rude and ungrateful for someone to look a gift Ice Wraith in the mouth.

As paying customers they are obligated to provide numerous things to us; we are not privileged to be paying for the Elder Scrolls Online. They however are privileged to have our business. Quality of Service (QoS) has been a major factor since this game launched - this broad subject could cover everything from the lack of storage space to the patches which have taken down the server for 3 to 6 hours and more notably to the lack of a proper server environment for our European friends (which they just re-mediated).

While you are correct they are not obligated to provide a loyalty program; I'd be happy to discuss with you the things they are obligated to provide. Things which lead to loyalty; things which in their absence lead to failure and the loss of customers.

Karnus · August 2014

This thread is taking up too much space in my inventory.

purple-magicb16_ESO · August 2014

sotonin wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

I agree. Pets shouldn't take up bank space and ZOS should work on a different system for them. Players who spend the extra to get one or earn one are essentially being penalized by losing of bank space. I don't even use mine and and am considering just deleting them. A lot of players who don't have 'em (and can't relate) will say that that's your issue, but I was never told it would impact my bank space and I don't think it's fair that it does.

yeah.. those freakin CE maps from preorder package are killer also. Can't put the damn thing in the bank so you have to open it and then put each map in the bank. so annoying, it was horrible as a fresh player with very limited space all around

+agree - I stopped collecting these maps. I had like 20 of them in my bank and just deleted them. Took some screenshots 1st tho. Not sure if I'll ever go back and actually look at them but at least they're not taking up bank space.

If your giving a gift that takes up bank space then you're giving with one hand but taking with the other which diminishes the gift bcoz then you have 2 decide if its worth keeping it for the space it takes up. Essentially you're paying 1 bank slot for every 'gift' you get. It's not a huge issue but I comment bcoz its such a simple thing to fix.

Ashtaris · August 2014

Although I appreciate ZOS for offering a loyalty reward, to tell you the truth, I have no plans on redeeming it. For one, a Ice Wraith is just plain ugly, and apologies to all the Wraith lovers out there

If ZOS wants to reward us, then I'm with those who think that extra bank slots, or bag space would be far more useful. Perhaps later if they offer a vanity pet that is not quite as hideous, then I might take them up on it.

TehMagnus · August 2014

You had me @ more bag space

twev · August 2014

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

I agree. Pets shouldn't take up bank space and ZOS should work on a different system for them. Players who spend the extra to get one or earn one are essentially being penalized by losing of bank space. I don't even use mine and and am considering just deleting them. A lot of players who don't have 'em (and can't relate) will say that that's your issue, but I was never told it would impact my bank space and I don't think it's fair that it does.

yeah.. those freakin CE maps from preorder package are killer also. Can't put the damn thing in the bank so you have to open it and then put each map in the bank. so annoying, it was horrible as a fresh player with very limited space all around

+agree - I stopped collecting these maps. I had like 20 of them in my bank and just deleted them. Took some screenshots 1st tho. Not sure if I'll ever go back and actually look at them but at least they're not taking up bank space.

If your giving a gift that takes up bank space then you're giving with one hand but taking with the other which diminishes the gift bcoz then you have 2 decide if its worth keeping it for the space it takes up. Essentially you're paying 1 bank slot for every 'gift' you get. It's not a huge issue but I comment bcoz its such a simple thing to fix.

You know that you can't retrieve treasure from a treasure map unless you have the map in your possession, right?
(Unless they changed that, and I haven't heard they changed it.)

sotonin · August 2014

twev wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

I agree. Pets shouldn't take up bank space and ZOS should work on a different system for them. Players who spend the extra to get one or earn one are essentially being penalized by losing of bank space. I don't even use mine and and am considering just deleting them. A lot of players who don't have 'em (and can't relate) will say that that's your issue, but I was never told it would impact my bank space and I don't think it's fair that it does.

yeah.. those freakin CE maps from preorder package are killer also. Can't put the damn thing in the bank so you have to open it and then put each map in the bank. so annoying, it was horrible as a fresh player with very limited space all around

+agree - I stopped collecting these maps. I had like 20 of them in my bank and just deleted them. Took some screenshots 1st tho. Not sure if I'll ever go back and actually look at them but at least they're not taking up bank space.

If your giving a gift that takes up bank space then you're giving with one hand but taking with the other which diminishes the gift bcoz then you have 2 decide if its worth keeping it for the space it takes up. Essentially you're paying 1 bank slot for every 'gift' you get. It's not a huge issue but I comment bcoz its such a simple thing to fix.

You know that you can't retrieve treasure from a treasure map unless you have the map in your possession, right?
(Unless they changed that, and I haven't heard they changed it.)

Correct. screenshotting did him no good. The map must be in your inventory for the treasure to appear.

SirAndy · August 2014

How about a pet shelter, similar to the horse stables?

Just park the pets in the shelter when you don't need them.

PS: And just in case someone already mentioned that, yes, you got me there, i didn't actually read all the replies in this thread.

radiostar · August 2014

In FE when they reward subscribers, they post a code to your game profile page like we have here on the forums. When you get to the point you want to redeem it, you just type the code into game chat and it redeems to your bag inventory for you to summon. So if you can't use it when it's released, it doesn't have to clog up your mail or sit in inventory. Might think about that, Z.

Also the pets have small inventories on them, like 4 or 8 slots. So your pet would have some use to you when out adventuring with you. When you want to put them away, they go into the stables area with your horse. There's a limit to the number of pets to keep at the stable and only 1 gets to be out at a time, but at least it's a solution.