Thanks for the Loyalty Program, but if the gifts take an Inventory Space I don't need 'em

Roland44 · August 2014

That's pretty much it.

I'd rather have an extra storage space anywhere bag/bank for each 3 months I play the game lol

And what we really need is for "all" Trophies, Pets, Treasure Maps to all be Account bound and not be taking up very precious Inventory Space! (Rift is a perfect example of how to do this btw)

But thanks for the kind thoughts and well wishes and the desire to reward us for our patronage.

But I think the majority of players would rather have a less restrictive and fixed Inventory system as our gift for our Subscription dues we pay

Best Regards

Ps - thought I'd add this for those that don't or won't read all 4 pages lo

It was never about getting a "gift" or what the gift/reward was...except in the sense that if it took a permanent Inventory spot somewhere.

The whole "give me a extra slot as a reward" was intended to be somewhat of a joke and a little sarcastic in truth.

I never expected, desired or want any "gift" for Subscribing.

I simply want a game that has mechanics that make sense and allow a enjoyable gaming experience.

ZOS could keep the exact inventory setup with the exact same number of spaces and simply refine the "way" items are placed, in regards to stacking amounts and having certain items be account bound and not required to be IN your inventory like we've discussed.

This was never about me not receiving the right said gift. It's all about the mechanics of the inventory system...that I feel could and should be done much better than it is in its current state.

Regards

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

Believe it or not, ZO isn't obligated to give you anything, much less a reward for your loyalty.

I think the majority of players are happy to get a little bonus every now and then, even if it's not a helping hand with managing their inventory. I'd even go so far as to say that most players would find it extremely rude and ungrateful for someone to look a gift Ice Wraith in the mouth.

Psychobunni · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'd even go so far as to say that most players would find it extremely rude and ungrateful for someone to look a gift Ice Wraith in the mouth.

o.O Looking in an ice wraiths mouth might be a bad idea....

(sorry couldn't resist)

sotonin · August 2014

So much truth in this thread it's sad but true. Show us some reward for our loyalty by giving some free bonus bank or inventory upgrades

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

sotonin wrote: »

So much truth in this thread it's sad but true. Show us some reward for our loyalty by giving some free bonus bank or inventory upgrades

I'd prefer they didn't give any rewards, because it reinforces the viewpoint that they owe us something in exchange for us enjoying their product.

MeowGinger · August 2014

I'm actually happier with the Ice Wraith than with extra inventory space (111 inventory slots is enough for me unless I'm farming, and I can deal with ~850 slots across my entire account).

I'll take whatever rewards I can get, even though some would be better than others.

Theosis · August 2014

sotonin wrote: »

So much truth in this thread it's sad but true. Show us some reward for our loyalty by giving some free bonus bank or inventory upgrades

This

Roland44 · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Believe it or not, ZO isn't obligated to give you anything, much less a reward for your loyalty.

I think the majority of players are happy to get a little bonus every now and then, even if it's not a helping hand with managing their inventory. I'd even go so far as to say that most players would find it extremely rude and ungrateful for someone to look a gift Ice Wraith in the mouth.

Gifts and rewards should not take up inventory space.

That's my opinion.

And I never said or thought that subscriber rewards were needed or wanted by me, or expected.

But items like this as well as pets and trophies and such should not infringe on general inventory and game play space.

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

Roland44 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Believe it or not, ZO isn't obligated to give you anything, much less a reward for your loyalty.

I think the majority of players are happy to get a little bonus every now and then, even if it's not a helping hand with managing their inventory. I'd even go so far as to say that most players would find it extremely rude and ungrateful for someone to look a gift Ice Wraith in the mouth.

Gifts and rewards should not take up inventory space.

That's my opinion.

And I never said or thought that subscriber rewards were needed or wanted by me, or expected.

But items like this as well as pets and trophies and such should not infringe on general inventory and game play space.

They aren't infringing on anything. Don't have enough space? Delete something, or create an alt.

Sapphy24 · August 2014

I sooo agree. Give me pets, give me goodies, but DON'T let them take up my valuable bank space.
One of my girls is holding green fish now. Rare but worth nothing.
(shakes head)
And too nerevarine1138 I don't want to delete anything and I have 8 toons.
Have you ever heard the expression about biting oneself?

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2014

I would actually prefer they gave me nothing then more inventory space instead of something cool. Now if they came out with a reward program and like month 9 reward was 10 bank spots fine. But if they were like oh we were going to give you a cool pet but now here is some inventory space... Honestly at that point ID throw in the towel. There is no hope for a game with that sort of knee jerk reaction to its forum.

MercyKilling · August 2014

I don't care if they take up inventory space or not, I don't want them. Vanity pets serve no purpose for me, and I'd much rather have some other kind of reward, if Zenimax is set on giving out loyalty rewards.

On the flip side, I could care less if Zenimax said, "No more loyalty program at all."
I don't play for a reward. Well, beyond what I currently get out of the game.

Roland44 · August 2014

MercyKilling wrote: »

I don't care if they take up inventory space or not, I don't want them. Vanity pets serve no purpose for me, and I'd much rather have some other kind of reward, if Zenimax is set on giving out loyalty rewards.

On the flip side, I could care less if Zenimax said, "No more loyalty program at all."
I don't play for a reward. Well, beyond what I currently get out of the game.

I agree.

My whole point is to let the Dev's know that this "reward" to many will be nothing but an added burden in the "let's make the players make alts and spend game time having to log in/out/in/out to transfer items to designated alts...oh let's throw some vanity gear on top of that why don't we"

lol

The current system is anything but user/player friendly, and adding more items that do nothing but exacerbate the issue, in the name of rewarding players, does nothing but compound the problem for many.

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

Well im happy about it , i keep mine on one of my alts. Which are all mules anyway.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

So much truth in this thread it's sad but true. Show us some reward for our loyalty by giving some free bonus bank or inventory upgrades

I'd prefer they didn't give any rewards, because it reinforces the viewpoint that they owe us something in exchange for us enjoying their product.

I do think they do now.

IF and only IF they didnt gave those steam dogs OR IF they had given them to us too by now , i would agree , they dont owe me anything.

BUT that is not the case and they made content only for new players.

So they damm right owe content only for players that have been here longer , even if this doesnt change the first issue , steam users still got everything , while people that have been here since the first day got the shaft , but atleast they will get stuff later.

Fleymark · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Believe it or not, ZO isn't obligated to give you anything, much less a reward for your loyalty.

I think the majority of players are happy to get a little bonus every now and then, even if it's not a helping hand with managing their inventory. I'd even go so far as to say that most players would find it extremely rude and ungrateful for someone to look a gift Ice Wraith in the mouth.

In what way is it either "rude" or "ungrateful" to point out that trophies and the like present inventory problems for some players? If someone offered me a gift that would take up half my living room and that I really didn't need, I would thank them for the gesture and respectfully decline.

Personally, I have yet to take my beta and pre-order pets out of the mail, or the maps, and the same for the first vet costume I got with my main. And that's likely where they all will stay until I'm happy with my storage situation. It's getting there but still have a long way to go. Items that actually affect crafting or gameplay get priority. So, no, I doubt I'll be redeeming the loyalty pet anytime soon. That's rude? Bank upgrades are costing me 50k a pop for 10 slots currently, so I guess I'll have to risk appearing ungrateful, because 5k is too much to spend on storage for a useless vanity item, at the moment.

Heck, I've started playing alts and I intentionally skip the hard public dungeon in each zone because I don't want to store the trophies. The main's are sitting on an alt.

I guess I'll have to appear rude and ungrateful until I've maxed my bank space, rolled a couple of permanent storage alts in lieu of the temporary ones I have now, and have mastered the crafts I've been storing mats for since the day I started.

This could easily be fixed by making trophies and the like non inventory items like quest items.

AoEnwyr · August 2014

Guess you can't please everyone. If you don't want your gift taking up space, destroy it if you aren't going to use it. Being given something for free then complaining about it just smacks of entitlement.

Fleymark · August 2014

UlanX wrote: »

Guess you can't please everyone. If you don't want your gift taking up space, destroy it if you aren't going to use it. Being given something for free then complaining about it just smacks of entitlement.

No, it's a matter of inventory space being a problem in this game.

And, no, it's not a simple matter of deleting it or not using it blah blah. It would be nice if they would address storage in general, but making trophies and the like not take inventory space would be an excellent start.

And, no, it's not something for "free." It's a reward for having been a PAYING customer for a period of time. As paying customers, it's entirely reasonable to discuss legitimate issues with the game. Which is what this is.

Feel free to add your thoughts on a particular gameplay topic. Or feel free to not read threads. But offhandedly dismissing a discussion because you happen to disagree and calling people "entitled" for having it is ridiculous.

The short version is this isn't about pets or a rewards program. It's about inventory being a problem in the game and pets, trophies and other such items contributing to that problem.

Lunerdog · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

So much truth in this thread it's sad but true. Show us some reward for our loyalty by giving some free bonus bank or inventory upgrades

I'd prefer they didn't give any rewards, because it reinforces the viewpoint that they owe us something in exchange for us enjoying their product.

You really do talk utter drivel sometimes (most of the time).

Their product isn't free, we pay for it, we paid for the initial purchase and we pay a monthly fee so yes, they do us something.

They owe us a bug free highly enjoyable gaming experience that will keep us coming back for more and keep us handing the money over and there's no reason why loyalty rewards shouldn't be a part of it.

crislevin · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

sotonin wrote: »

So much truth in this thread it's sad but true. Show us some reward for our loyalty by giving some free bonus bank or inventory upgrades

I'd prefer they didn't give any rewards, because it reinforces the viewpoint that they owe us something in exchange for us enjoying their product.

Man, yout sounds more and more like an zos employee, who knows, maybe you are.

Never seen a single post real critical of zos from you. Like they are the perfect example of doing everything perfect.

And these passive aggressive praise posts, ewwww.

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

To respond to a few of the actual points raised:

1. ZO owes you access to the game they made. That's it. If you don't like the game, no one is making you pay for it. So don't play.
2. Loyalty rewards are fluff. Gimmicks. Not gameplay-altering bonuses. It would be massively unfair to every other player to repeatedly offer veterans larger inventories, more powerful weapons, etc.
3. The pet takes up a single inventory slot. One. Not "half the living room." Not "my entire bank." One slot. I currently have one main character and a couple of alts. Between them, I can craft pretty much anything in the game, and I have about 450 total inventory slots. I know I could have a lot more if I put any points in to a packhorse and/or mule alts. So if you're having inventory management issues, that's your problem. If you literally can't free up a single slot in your inventory, it's because you're bad at managing it. Period. You have no other excuses.

Attitudes like the ones on display in this thread are exactly why we can't have nice things. If ZO offers other players a dog during a special sale, the forums explode. When they offer a loyalty program to give out special gimmicks like pets, players still act like the girls on My Super-Sweet 16 when they don't get the right color of BMW. Don't like/want the free pet? Too bad. Maybe you'll like the next one. That's life.

Fleymark · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To respond to a few of the actual points raised:

1. ZO owes you access to the game they made. That's it. If you don't like the game, no one is making you pay for it. So don't play.
2. Loyalty rewards are fluff. Gimmicks. Not gameplay-altering bonuses. It would be massively unfair to every other player to repeatedly offer veterans larger inventories, more powerful weapons, etc.
3. The pet takes up a single inventory slot. One. Not "half the living room." Not "my entire bank." One slot. I currently have one main character and a couple of alts. Between them, I can craft pretty much anything in the game, and I have about 450 total inventory slots. I know I could have a lot more if I put any points in to a packhorse and/or mule alts. So if you're having inventory management issues, that's your problem. If you literally can't free up a single slot in your inventory, it's because you're bad at managing it. Period. You have no other excuses.

Attitudes like the ones on display in this thread are exactly why we can't have nice things. If ZO offers other players a dog during a special sale, the forums explode. When they offer a loyalty program to give out special gimmicks like pets, players still act like the girls on My Super-Sweet 16 when they don't get the right color of BMW. Don't like/want the free pet? Too bad. Maybe you'll like the next one. That's life.

Or we can discuss legitimate gameplay issues, which inventory in this game is, on the discussion boards and if people don't like it they can feel free to contribute to the conversation or move on to another thread.

And, no, it's not just one inventory slot. It's one MORE inventory slot on top of 15 dungeon trophies, a beta pet, a pre order pet, I don't know how many maps (havent opened them) from pre-order alone and, what, 3 veteran reward costumes? That's before you consider looted maps. Looking just at the trophies and pets that's 2 bank upgrades to accommodate. At my current back size that's minimum 100k to accommodate.

It's not about the loyalty reward. It's about the stupid inventory system and that the creative visionaries behind this game add to the problem by "rewarding" us with yet another useless item to consume inventory space. And just because YOU think this isn't a problem doesn't mean there's not a problem. Generally, I managed my inventory just fine, but it requires constant management and it gets tight. It could be we have different storage priorities. And you know what? That's entirely legitimate too. If you have a problem with others having inventory problems that's YOUR problem. This is indisputably the absolutely worst inventory system ever seen in a AAA MMO, so get off your horse.

Spare us the "that's life lectures." I've never seen a bunch of people with such raw sanctimony about every stupid little thing like the people this game seems to attract, for some reason. It's not enough to just disagree in a discussion about a game issue. No, everyone who disagrees are just WRONG and BAD PEOPLE too. LOL

It's pathetic.

reften · August 2014

Agreed, trophys, pets, disguises should not count as taking up space.

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

Fleymark wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To respond to a few of the actual points raised:

1. ZO owes you access to the game they made. That's it. If you don't like the game, no one is making you pay for it. So don't play.
2. Loyalty rewards are fluff. Gimmicks. Not gameplay-altering bonuses. It would be massively unfair to every other player to repeatedly offer veterans larger inventories, more powerful weapons, etc.
3. The pet takes up a single inventory slot. One. Not "half the living room." Not "my entire bank." One slot. I currently have one main character and a couple of alts. Between them, I can craft pretty much anything in the game, and I have about 450 total inventory slots. I know I could have a lot more if I put any points in to a packhorse and/or mule alts. So if you're having inventory management issues, that's your problem. If you literally can't free up a single slot in your inventory, it's because you're bad at managing it. Period. You have no other excuses.

Attitudes like the ones on display in this thread are exactly why we can't have nice things. If ZO offers other players a dog during a special sale, the forums explode. When they offer a loyalty program to give out special gimmicks like pets, players still act like the girls on My Super-Sweet 16 when they don't get the right color of BMW. Don't like/want the free pet? Too bad. Maybe you'll like the next one. That's life.

Or we can discuss legitimate gameplay issues, which inventory in this game is, on the discussion boards and if people don't like it they can feel free to contribute to the conversation or move on to another thread.

And, no, it's not just one inventory slot. It's one MORE inventory slot on top of 15 dungeon trophies, a beta pet, a pre order pet, I don't know how many maps (havent opened them) from pre-order alone and, what, 3 veteran reward costumes? That's before you consider looted maps. Looking just at the trophies and pets that's 2 bank upgrades to accommodate. At my current back size that's minimum 100k to accommodate.

It's not about the loyalty reward. It's about the stupid inventory system and that the creative visionaries behind this game add to the problem by "rewarding" us with yet another useless item to consume inventory space. And just because YOU think this isn't a problem doesn't mean there's not a problem.

Then don't take the reward. No one is forcing you to.

I'm not sure what you're keeping in your bank (Old socks? Chewing gum? Small pieces of lint?), but there's no way you're hitting your inventory limits without keeping items that you don't need.

And if you really believe inventory space is a legitimate issue, this isn't the right place to bring it up. The Loyalty Program is just for fluff rewards. It has nothing to do with gameplay mechanics, and it's hardly going to break anyone's bank (literally or figuratively). You might as well complain that the Ice Wraith won't be a combat buff for stamina builds.

The_Sadist · August 2014

Feel free to delete them if they're going to be a hassle for you to manage, as a non-hoarder I have ample space for such trivial things, yay for pets.

SilentFox22 · August 2014

Actually, it was mentioned in one of their interviews that things like vanity pets will not take inventory space in the future, so it's on the to-do list. Give it time, they are prob more focused on fixing bugs atm.

Lag · August 2014

Just keep it in your mailbox

ndantony · August 2014

Actually, I agreed to the OP, and everybody's. Giving out gift like this is burben for some players, due to that inventory space issue. Giving out gift like this reinforces these other players' sense of entitlement and belief of ZoS' obligatory to give gifts, at all to begin with. Finally, I like all the awesome exclusive pets that I have so far and I don't want anyone, or more, to have ones, or even comparable. Whatever others think or complain otherwise, these special items make me feel good and special and I like them to continue to be exclusive just for me, and only few others, that way. Thanks, ZoS. You're Awesome!!

Fleymark · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To respond to a few of the actual points raised:

1. ZO owes you access to the game they made. That's it. If you don't like the game, no one is making you pay for it. So don't play.
2. Loyalty rewards are fluff. Gimmicks. Not gameplay-altering bonuses. It would be massively unfair to every other player to repeatedly offer veterans larger inventories, more powerful weapons, etc.
3. The pet takes up a single inventory slot. One. Not "half the living room." Not "my entire bank." One slot. I currently have one main character and a couple of alts. Between them, I can craft pretty much anything in the game, and I have about 450 total inventory slots. I know I could have a lot more if I put any points in to a packhorse and/or mule alts. So if you're having inventory management issues, that's your problem. If you literally can't free up a single slot in your inventory, it's because you're bad at managing it. Period. You have no other excuses.

Attitudes like the ones on display in this thread are exactly why we can't have nice things. If ZO offers other players a dog during a special sale, the forums explode. When they offer a loyalty program to give out special gimmicks like pets, players still act like the girls on My Super-Sweet 16 when they don't get the right color of BMW. Don't like/want the free pet? Too bad. Maybe you'll like the next one. That's life.

Or we can discuss legitimate gameplay issues, which inventory in this game is, on the discussion boards and if people don't like it they can feel free to contribute to the conversation or move on to another thread.

And, no, it's not just one inventory slot. It's one MORE inventory slot on top of 15 dungeon trophies, a beta pet, a pre order pet, I don't know how many maps (havent opened them) from pre-order alone and, what, 3 veteran reward costumes? That's before you consider looted maps. Looking just at the trophies and pets that's 2 bank upgrades to accommodate. At my current back size that's minimum 100k to accommodate.

It's not about the loyalty reward. It's about the stupid inventory system and that the creative visionaries behind this game add to the problem by "rewarding" us with yet another useless item to consume inventory space. And just because YOU think this isn't a problem doesn't mean there's not a problem.

Then don't take the reward. No one is forcing you to.

I'm not sure what you're keeping in your bank (Old socks? Chewing gum? Small pieces of lint?), but there's no way you're hitting your inventory limits without keeping items that you don't need.

And if you really believe inventory space is a legitimate issue, this isn't the right place to bring it up. The Loyalty Program is just for fluff rewards. It has nothing to do with gameplay mechanics, and it's hardly going to break anyone's bank (literally or figuratively). You might as well complain that the Ice Wraith won't be a combat buff for stamina builds.

Read the title of the thread, Skippy. This is EXACTLY what this conversation is about.

I do 4 crafts, a couple on multiple toons, all researches, am preparing to do the other two AND actually try to use my character slots for played toons not bank mules, so it gets tight. Generally manageable, but it requires constant attention near daily (which is really tiresome after a few months...I don't need to pay a subscription for a filing cabinet simulator). Regardless, I'll prioritize my inventory as I deem appropriate, thank you. If you have a problem with that, that's YOUR problem. AND I'll continue to discuss this issue as I please whether you like it or not. I seriously doubt anyone who hasn't had a problem with inventory even plays the game to it's fullest potential, personally.

And as I said, I don't plan to redeem the pet for this reason. Just as I havent the beta pet, the pre order pet and maps, or the vet costume. Nor will I until I'm comfortable WASTING premium inventory spaces on USELESS items. But if these are what we are going to get from being in beta, preordering, subscribing for a period of time, accomplishing certain levels, etc, then it would be nice to be able to. It's just not worth it from an ROI standpoint, something these developers seem to be challenged with.

A lot of the players appear to be, too. Nor can they read or add. Or piece together a logical retort. If you think this is all working great, congrats. I don't. And have articulated in detail and with multiple examples as to why. Just because you can't seem to read or grasp what's been said doesn't mean your point makes any sense.

Regardless, it's fine to disagree. But this need that a disproportionate segment of this game's player base seems to have to argue with people having legitimate issues is just astounding. Not to mention obnoxious. The forums are an outlet for feedback. I don't care if you don't like what I have to say about this or anything else. I'm still going to discuss it because this is the place to do it. Feel free to not read it. When you are a moderator you can tell me where to post about what. But you aren't and won't be, so spare me.

twev · August 2014

Rhass wrote: »

Actually, it was mentioned in one of their interviews that things like vanity pets will not take inventory space in the future, so it's on the to-do list. Give it time, they are prob more focused on fixing bugs atm.

If it literally takes them several update cycles to figure out how to wedge something like:
*Trophies/pets/rewards take up no bank slots*
into their busy schedules, then maybe they might need to take on another intern to make coffee for the main devs, cuz they're clearly spending too much dev time making their own coffee....

Fleymark · August 2014

Rhass wrote: »

Actually, it was mentioned in one of their interviews that things like vanity pets will not take inventory space in the future, so it's on the to-do list. Give it time, they are prob more focused on fixing bugs atm.

Did they actually say this? That's outstanding news. There are a couple if pets and trophies I would love to carry on my main.

Link, by any chance?

MeowGinger · August 2014

@Fleymark‌

If you don't plan to redeem the pet because you have inventory problems... I'm sorry to say this, but that's on you.

Plenty of other players still want the pet even though inventory can get tight (6 crafts, all research, all dungeon trophies, quest trophies, VR costumes, pre-order and beta bonuses here, plus some duplicate collectibles over here).

I do think inventory management is a problem in this game and I would like to see "trophy items" (like pets) and costumes not take up any inventory space, or have a separate case.

That said, I wouldn't say "no thanks for your gift!" because of inventory management problems.

I also would not prefer "a less restrictive and fixed Inventory system as our gift for our Subscription dues we pay" as quoted from the first post (I feel that an inventory fix is something that should apply to all players, and if I can choose a reward I'd take the wraith any day). My issue is that the OP speaks for the "majority" of players when making this statement.