Elitism for the Dragonstar Arena? I Hope Not !

Obscure · August 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

Haven't played on PTS, but I definitely do not expect there to be the same amount of elitism, due to the fact that it's only 4 players.

Trials have given way to elitism because they require 12 people. With only 4 people, you can play solely with your friends and not have to worry about having the requirements to make it into some elitist trial run.

This is your answer. With a dying, low player base finding PU-12man-Groups is always going to be hard. It shouldn't be so bad for 4.

Dying so quickly, it's only the 2nd or 3rd most successful Western MMO on the market with 750k+ subscriptions.

Come now. We both know active sub numbers don't reflect active players. As for market success, the test of an MMO's success has never reliably been measured within the first year of its release. Hell, they haven't even gotten to console launch yet. Can't measure any success when they're still missing 2/3's of their platform demographic

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

No matter what they change, buff, or nerf groups for endgame content will have entrance requirements. Ultimately, people are more interested in finishing the content in a timely manner than humoring a guy that wants to run an ineffective build.

Blunt but true. Once you reach a certain point you're interested in having fun by beating the content in a reasonable timeframe, rather than feeling like you're spending extra time with strangers who want to call you an "elitist jerk". As others have said and myself, group with people at a similar level and mindset as yourself and have fun. Everyone else can do the same.

Yes and No. Of course anyone can group as they please, but the optimal builds remain optimal builds and don't really care what anyone thinks about them. You want to be optimal in Dragonstar? You run X, Y, Z. The game doesn't care if your an elitist a care bear or anything in between. Optimal is optimal and to be competitive you play optimal. It's not anyone's fault other than ZOS's for making so many bad options for players to get trapped in as they leveled into end game to find out everything they built is sub optimal.

It's actually what's driven a good portion of players away. Get to end game trying to play optimal within the games options, find out you're almost laughably not going to be unless you respec and regear (if not reroll), and then have the option to conform, quit, or accept staring at suboptimal every time you load up that character. That's got nothing to do with being an elitist, and I dare say the true gaming elitists aren't playing ESO. They bailed back in the 4 ultimate cost bat swarm days, if they even made it past the staunchly negative pre-launch press coverage. It's on ZOS to make the other build options not be hot sick garbage if they want build diversity in competitive end game content.

"Elitists" are getting blamed for poor game design on ZOS's part, and that's really the long and short of it.

SirAndy · August 2014

Phantax wrote: »

I have a nasty feeling we are going to see a lot of the same elitist crap we currently see in Craglorn associated with the trials grouping.

No reason to believe it will be any different.

You better get your pretty dress and wooden stick dusted off ...
;-)

PS: Hmmm, that didn't sound quite right.

cromica81_ESO · August 2014

It's an mmo if you aren't running the most optimum build you are doing it wrong.

At least that is what the min/maxers will tell you.

Unfortunately for me I play to have fun and since none of my normal mmo friends play, (a free trial might help) all this group content that they have added since release is something I will never see in person.

Aesthier · August 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

because elitism is a way to play the game , you cant solve it without tossing the player out of it.

Jut have an issue with this point.

By designing a Group finder for trials/other high end content that only fills a slot (does NOT take any race, class, build, skills or roles information into consideration), and then randomly ques them up into the dungeon, you can effectively kill the elitist hold on this.

Is it right? No

Would trials even be completable with this in place?
Probably not for a long time until either the massive majority of players skills were honed or until Zen balanced the dungeons around this tool or most likely both.

I am just saying that yes elitism can be removed from the game without removing the elitist player. If they removed themselves that's a different matter altogether.

DieAlteHexe · August 2014

Does a bear...
Is the Pope...

There will be, as surely as the sun rises in the east. It comes with the territory and that makes it a territory that ends up discouraging many.

Maverick827 · August 2014

I hate it when people try to dictate how I should play a game just to appease them.

Soulshine · August 2014

Why do some folks insist on making things more complicated than they are? I am all for socializing in games. It is fun and meetingand playing with random people can be a blast. However, when it comes to meeting some goal you have involving completing challenges such as Trials and now the Arena, the process is simple: get together a group of people you know and call it a day.... it's that old thing called *gasp* a guild!

Also, try owning your part in the game issues instead of constantly labeling people you don't even know and complaining that things are skewed against you. GET off your little booty and shop around a bit for a guild so you have a group of people to play with that will meet your level of play and goals. It really is not difficult; if you actually spend a little time and effort you will eventually find a good fit. I have been playing MMOs for years and it always works this way.

If you choose not to do this, you have no right to be surprised if people you don't know and try to group with reject you OR conversely you pick up some player that doesn't meet up to your high standars, whatever those may be. Anything else is just a waste of energy and an excercise in futility at best.

I thank you in advance for the undoubted oodles of LOLs I am about to recieve for this post : P