Deleted, as in removed, gone, poofies. Thanks ZOS.....

bertenburnyb16_ESO · August 2014

if your current build is not working against a certain boss, try some different skills on your bar, use food/potions, use another gear set, ... so may options but it seems your stuck on a certain type/build in your head and wont experiment, certain situations will make u have to rethink your build. pre vr nerf and pre playing vr I thought I had a rock solid build, then I hit vr, my whole build changed quickly to something more effective

Talrenos · August 2014

fredarbonab14_ESO wrote: »

"I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. " Your way is what exactly, do as you please? Because of your pompous arrogant attitude, you get no pity from me. Tough if you don't like - good riddance.

P.S. I thought 'I quit' posts were not going to be allowed; this one is a waste of space.

LernToReadAPost....
I did not quit, I merely deleted a character. I have other characters.

KleanZlate · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, after months of playing, I have just deleted my main character. Not set aside, or not playing him, actual deleted from existence. Why you might ask...

Here's why....

I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. I can't play my way because it simply does not work. I started a Nightblade and wanted to be a stealthy bow sniper. Yeah. Not happening. I went to stam build, medium armor.

Hey! That's playing MY way!

Nightblade - Check!
Stealthy bow sniper - Check! (well, I'm a stealthy assassin with a bow and DW. If you really want to take on every situation with a bow YOUR playstyle is gimped. That's on you.)
Medium armor - Check!
Stam build - No!! First choose your skills build then select attribute points to complement it. I keep magicka and stamina even so I can play MY way

Elsonso · August 2014

vestmanneb17_ESO wrote: »

Nightblade - Check!
Stealthy bow sniper - Check! (well, I'm a stealthy assassin with a bow and DW. If you really want to take on every situation with a bow YOUR playstyle is gimped. That's on you.)
Medium armor - Check!
Stam build - No!! First choose your skills build then select attribute points to complement it. I keep magicka and stamina even so I can play MY way

Uh, that is MY way, and I already have the patent on it.

Seriously though, that has to be the default NB concept build.

kitsinni · August 2014

Khami wrote: »

I wonder how much of his problem with his NB is he's not wearing the right gear. I don't mean medium armor, I mean sets and their bonuses.

Not all sets are created equal.

My main is a VR12 NB. I dumped the bow when I was VR7 after I notice how poorly the bow does in vet dungeons. I'm now using restro/destro staff and light armor.

The bow is a bad PvE weapon. It works wonderfully in PvP.

The best stam builds that function well in vet group content are either 2H or DW.

Just by changing sets, my dps went up over 150 points on average in trials.

To complain about being unable to complete things in Coldharbour with the bow is nonsense. I completed all the VR zones before the nerf and the bow was fine until I started doing vet dungeons.

None of the problem was gear because he wasn't even VR1 yet. You don't need any sets or even gear near your level or even any gear better than green to get through the regular levels. I never wore a set or anything I didn't pick up and it was still easy to do before any NB buffs went in until VR.

Chuggernaut · August 2014

I play the way I want without issue, my only complaint is that the game has classes at all. Should be 100% skill line based.

AlexDougherty · August 2014

Chuggernaut wrote: »

I play the way I want without issue, my only complaint is that the game has classes at all. Should be 100% skill line based.

I like the classes, each one feels different, adds a flavour that would be missing otherwise.

Talrenos · August 2014

Harsh, yall are really unforgiving. So far what I take away from the discussion is I don't know how to play, I suck, I need to do what YOU tell me to do, I should not be doing whatever I am doing.

Allow me to clarify my position a little...

I am playing a MMORPG. The second 'M' stands for multiplayer. If I wanted a single player game I would play skyrim (which I did) but I want to play with others. I don't have any issues finding groups, people to adventure with, and MY STYLE OF PLAY is grouping. I set up my character to do DPS in groups, I like what I do and the people I play with always liked having me around. None of that is the issue.
Where I start to fail so badly is on those da** quests that force you to do them solo against tougher than normal mobs & bosses. My personal setup simply wont work there. I would have to completely respect to do all those things that everyone else wants me to do, but then those things are not how I play in a group.
ZOS made this game based on solo play, maybe not intentionally, but that's the result. Best builds for toons are not always group friendly, half the time members of my group exist only as a carat mark (^) and I cant even see them or interact with group mates in that state. Then theres the places we go and suddenly find ourselves in a solo dungeon or situation, forcing us to complete content by ourselves. I guess that's my real issue with ZOS and this game.
I am trying to make it work, but I just refuse to do what everyone else is doing, I don't want to me yet another sheep in the flock, all blindly doing the same things as the others, I want to stand out, carve my own path, enjoy playing as I like, and the game is failing around me.
for the umpteenth time, I recognize that if I do what you guys are telling me to, that I will be successful and 'win' more. But that's not why I am here, I don't want to win the game, I want to play it, adventure and enjoy it....

kitsinni · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Harsh, yall are really unforgiving. So far what I take away from the discussion is I don't know how to play, I suck, I need to do what YOU tell me to do, I should not be doing whatever I am doing.

Allow me to clarify my position a little...

I am playing a MMORPG. The second 'M' stands for multiplayer. If I wanted a single player game I would play skyrim (which I did) but I want to play with others. I don't have any issues finding groups, people to adventure with, and MY STYLE OF PLAY is grouping. I set up my character to do DPS in groups, I like what I do and the people I play with always liked having me around. None of that is the issue.
Where I start to fail so badly is on those da** quests that force you to do them solo against tougher than normal mobs & bosses. My personal setup simply wont work there. I would have to completely respect to do all those things that everyone else wants me to do, but then those things are not how I play in a group.
ZOS made this game based on solo play, maybe not intentionally, but that's the result. Best builds for toons are not always group friendly, half the time members of my group exist only as a carat mark (^) and I cant even see them or interact with group mates in that state. Then theres the places we go and suddenly find ourselves in a solo dungeon or situation, forcing us to complete content by ourselves. I guess that's my real issue with ZOS and this game.
I am trying to make it work, but I just refuse to do what everyone else is doing, I don't want to me yet another sheep in the flock, all blindly doing the same things as the others, I want to stand out, carve my own path, enjoy playing as I like, and the game is failing around me.
for the umpteenth time, I recognize that if I do what you guys are telling me to, that I will be successful and 'win' more. But that's not why I am here, I don't want to win the game, I want to play it, adventure and enjoy it....

You could play absolutely any way in the entire world other than run in to enemy and just stand there until they kill you and get to VR1 with almost no trouble.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · August 2014

commander_vaas wrote: »

I hate how people complain about games that are to hard so it ruins it for them, games should be impossible to complete so only the best people can get the best gear. This game is way to easy

A tip for you: not everyone's a gear *** like you seem to be.

Melian · August 2014

vestmanneb17_ESO wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, after months of playing, I have just deleted my main character. Not set aside, or not playing him, actual deleted from existence. Why you might ask...

Here's why....

I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. I can't play my way because it simply does not work. I started a Nightblade and wanted to be a stealthy bow sniper. Yeah. Not happening. I went to stam build, medium armor.

Hey! That's playing MY way!

Nightblade - Check!
Stealthy bow sniper - Check! (well, I'm a stealthy assassin with a bow and DW. If you really want to take on every situation with a bow YOUR playstyle is gimped. That's on you.)
Medium armor - Check!
Stam build - No!! First choose your skills build then select attribute points to complement it. I keep magicka and stamina even so I can play MY way

Me three - except I have a bit more magicka than stamina and a mix of light and medium armor.
If you want to rely heavily on class abilities, you need magicka - seems obvious. Maybe they should change the name of it so people stop associating it with mages. *eyeroll*

Magdalina · August 2014

I'm not an NB and I don't really roll alts, but I do have some NB med armor bow/DW friends and lemme tell you...they're seriously OP;) The dps is more than
decent, the surviveability is AMAZING, they're like invincible sometimes. I know the game is unbalanced. It is harder to be OP with bow than with a stick, that's true. But this is not impossible. My NB friend soloed vet 9 Storm Atronachs in Malabal Tor BEFORE THE NERF. That was those beasts with 1k+ attacks, 15k health, immune to everything possible and seeing through stealth. I've ran vet CoH with my NB friend and we did GREAT. You were in non vet zones still, there's nothing there even remotedly close to that in difficulty(aside from maybe some main quest aspects but you seem to have a problem with other quests).

I can understand your frustration, and I am sorry people here are not always very friendly, but I really think deleting your char was an overreacion. You could find ways to play it the way you want still, there're many proves of that. You just shouldn't let the bad stuff discourage you, keep trying and then shock everyone by how OP NBs can really be;)

Thudunblundur · August 2014

Been playing since Launch and my NB (M/H armour 5/2, dw/bow, 10/24/15 attrib) is now VR7 (the 2 Heavy is a very recent experiment - been running 7 med most of the time). My Way is a lot slower than some! Started doing pvp recently and reset my attrib points - they were 15/10/24 but you need more health in pvp I found (at VR12 I may well re-attrib to 0/49/0 but dunno yet) and the stam regen is so great I didn't need that much stam anyway...

You CAN play your way. You have been. It's just not very successful. Play your way? Yes. Win your way - not necessarily.

Funny how it goes...took me many tries to get past Mannimarco to rescue Abner Tharn. Killed Molag Bal first try and he hardly dented my health bar...

Apparently you've already had loads of advice in other threads. The thing I find with a NB is that almost all the skills aren't just handy or fun - you actually NEED them at some point or another. If I'm playing really hard, I want to reset my skill bar for almost every fight! (I don't but that's because I'm lazy

ASpaceTurkey · August 2014

ZoS may have said "Play the way you want to play." but that came with an invisible disclaimer "Within reason". You cannot run around naked, beating people with a stick, it's not viable.

You had a problem with your build, that's fine, I did too.
But the difference between us is, I redesigned my build to better suit my play, and it worked; you decided to delete your main character and complain on the forums just because you couldn't play exactly how you wanted.

Did you accept help from anyone? No. Did you offer to explain exactly what you wanted out of your character? No. Did you outline exactly where your build was lacking? No.

You chucked a hissy fit, deleted your character, and said "wah!". Good job.

My Build:

Dunmer Sorc.

2H with Bow Secondary.

Went from Vamp to WW, and I like the change.

All AP in Health, Stamina buffed by Amour.

30 SP left over for changes if I need.

I hardly ever die in PvE, and when I do, I haven't looked at the situation Tactically enough. Do I complain? No. I suck it up, and I get better at what I'm doing.

Distribute your SP and AP appropriate to what you want your character to be, Melee? Ranged? Sorc? Tank? DPS?, obviously you cannot use the same stats for all of those, and you'd be stupid to think you could.

Here's a head's up: If you're dying too often, maybe it's you that sucks, and not the game. Sound Logical?

FFS, people, think before you post. Don't complain that ESO sucks when in reality, it's you.

This hasn't been said enough: Get better at playing the game! Everything can be countered in some way, there is always another direction to take if you hit a wall, no enemy is impossible to kill.

The only impossibility is the one YOU impose on YOURSELF.

Elad13 · August 2014

With only 14 days left...I feel your pain...my dw heavy armor templar struggled in alot of places....it wasn't that some bosses were almost impossible it was that I could run through everything else so easy and then hit a solid wall. Then I hit vet levels where mobs of 3 randoms were a99% death expectation.
Then came all the nerfs.
Post nerf apocalypse I was able to complete everything...but my character did not feel stronger or higher...you really don't get that you gain power at all in this game...loot is crap....builds are very much set and the huge world really seems gorgeously boring.
No fun in building new characters because after doing Cadwell gold it's all repeated.
This is a great 60-90 day game which would have been fine without the subscription cost.
The game is not worth more then that so my expectations versus actual is way off.
I can complain and suggest and forum troll...bbut that's not worth $15. So the only real power left is to unsub...The numbers are the only way zos will really listen to the players.

snowmanflvb14_ESO · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, after months of playing, I have just deleted my main character. Not set aside, or not playing him, actual deleted from existence. Why you might ask...

Here's why....

I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. I can't play my way because it simply does not work. I started a Nightblade and wanted to be a stealthy bow sniper. Yeah. Not happening. I went to stam build, medium armor. Turns out what I was 'supposed to do' was a majika build as most things I used wanted majika, not stam. Then I found out that bows suck badly. Medium armor is like wearing toilet paper, and nothing I did worked.

I chose to become a werewolf. That turned out to be a complete waste of skill points on something that was a horribly thought out concept that after several months ZOS is completely ignoring. Another wrong choice I made.

At 48 I attempted to do those annoying solo quests again, all of which are grey to me. Tried the sancre tor quest, I died 5x trying that. I tried the fighters guild quest, died 4x, and some arena tournament quest, where I died 6x.

I tried playing other ways, and yes, when I turned to a popular build that everyone uses for my NB, I rocked, I was able to kill things, I could survive. But that's NOT MY STYLE OF PLAY. I hated it and the abilities.

So as a result of wanting to play MY way, I can't complete the game or advance beyond 48. I am not happy. Just insert here a TON of really bad language directed toward ZOS. I mean just think of the absolute WORST you can dream up and that's what im saying right now to ZOS and their design staff.

Hmm MR OP i play a NB Bow sniper with my second weapon being a bow as well and I have been having a blast. I have most of the vet dungeons achievements completed and have done the trial a few times as well. I soloed all the open world quests, guild quests main story and solo dungeons at or below level. Yes I died a few times on some of them but worked my way through them.

Hypertionb14_ESO · August 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, after months of playing, I have just deleted my main character. Not set aside, or not playing him, actual deleted from existence. Why you might ask...

Here's why....

I want to play like ZOS advertised, play MY way. That was a marketing lie. I can't play my way because it simply does not work. I started a Nightblade and wanted to be a stealthy bow sniper. Yeah. Not happening. I went to stam build, medium armor. Turns out what I was 'supposed to do' was a majika build as most things I used wanted majika, not stam. Then I found out that bows suck badly. Medium armor is like wearing toilet paper, and nothing I did worked.

I chose to become a werewolf. That turned out to be a complete waste of skill points on something that was a horribly thought out concept that after several months ZOS is completely ignoring. Another wrong choice I made.

At 48 I attempted to do those annoying solo quests again, all of which are grey to me. Tried the sancre tor quest, I died 5x trying that. I tried the fighters guild quest, died 4x, and some arena tournament quest, where I died 6x.

I tried playing other ways, and yes, when I turned to a popular build that everyone uses for my NB, I rocked, I was able to kill things, I could survive. But that's NOT MY STYLE OF PLAY. I hated it and the abilities.

So as a result of wanting to play MY way, I can't complete the game or advance beyond 48. I am not happy. Just insert here a TON of really bad language directed toward ZOS. I mean just think of the absolute WORST you can dream up and that's what im saying right now to ZOS and their design staff.

I played a Bow/DW nb up untill Vr2 and even made him a werewolf....

I breezed through all that content and only have stopped because its a alt...

Your problems, are not problems in reality.... there is no "need" to do a magicka build. its quite easy to survive with Medium armor solo in quests or even solo world bosses...

This really is a Learn to play issues.... you will not be missed... this game clearly was not for you.

KleanZlate · August 2014

This really is a Learn to play issues.... you will not be missed... this game clearly was not for you.

Oh, he's not gone. He just deleted his main character out of spite lol. He's probably having a ball with one of his alts

coryevans_3b14_ESO · August 2014

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I think you are suffering from gamer rage and reacted irrationally (based upon your previous thread).

I have a stealthy bow wielding NB that carved right through the contents of the game you professed to be stuck.

"Play as you want" does not equate to making poor build decisions.

I have a v7 nb bow/dw and have 0 problem with any content. (granted, i wouldn't be allowed in some leet trial groups, but who cares). In fact, I just rolled a orc sorcerer and plan on making him 2h. I'm trying to go through the game in "hard mode" which is basically playing with a bad build. But holy cow is it fun.

I don't think the build was your problem m8.

Troponin · August 2014

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I have a DK archer and had little problems getting to VR11, You need to look at your build and figure out the best plan to develop it.

But that's not how people want to play this game. They want to put together random abilities that have no synergy with passives or other skills, have little logic, little survivability, and still want to be able melt face with it.

I do agree we get pigeon holed in to certain things (Thank passives for that, instead of building in passives to the skills themselves), but there is still some freedom, and things are getting better, it's just very slow to happen

Draxuul · August 2014

Lol , just another one of those people who felt the absolute need to tell the world why they quit a game . As if the rest of the world would even give it a second thought before moving on with their day.

Elvent · August 2014

I do agree with the magicka build. I don't remember ever picking magicka as a stat in the elder scrolls games. I always and only play Stealth/Bow/Melee types in the ES games and never once chose magicka because I never needed too.

I never even played a magic class in ES games that would need those points so I'm not sure why it's required in ESO. Must be a balance issue I guess but it does suck.

Bookwyrm · August 2014

Came to this thread thinking that it was going to be someone complaining about ZOS deleting one of their characters (or the game itself doing it).

I am severely disappointed. That would have been far more entertaining.*

*I really hope this doesn't happen to anyone, because no. But it would have been amusing to see the mad scramble to put it right and make sure it doesn't happen again if it was an accident, or the "but I didn't do anything wrong" argument until eventually they come out with "so maybe I spammed a lot of Duke Nukem dialogue in zone-chat...so what?"

ZOS_LeroyW · August 2014

Hi, all. We wanted to pop in and let you know that we've removed several comments that were off topic or otherwise against our forum Code of Conduct. We appreciate that our players won't always agree about something in ESO, but please be sure to stick to the topic at hand. Thank you.

tordr86b16_ESO · August 2014

commander_vaas wrote: »

I hate how people complain about games that are to hard so it ruins it for them, games should be impossible to complete so only the best people can get the best gear. This game is way to easy

I hate when people are blatantly being ignorant because they know the game is badly designed.

tordr86b16_ESO · August 2014

Draxuul wrote: »

Lol , just another one of those people who felt the absolute need to tell the world why they quit a game . As if the rest of the world would even give it a second thought before moving on with their day.

I found his post constructive. It explains exactly how bad the game is right now and how it does NOT feel like an TES game.

Katniss_Everlark · August 2014

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I think you are suffering from gamer rage and reacted irrationally (based upon your previous thread).

I have a stealthy bow wielding NB that carved right through the contents of the game you professed to be stuck.

"Play as you want" does not equate to making poor build decisions.

I'm a stealthy archer nightblade as well & I never had any issues with solo missions.

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Draxuul wrote: »

Lol , just another one of those people who felt the absolute need to tell the world why they quit a game . As if the rest of the world would even give it a second thought before moving on with their day.

I found his post constructive. It explains exactly how bad the game is right now and how it does NOT feel like an TES game.

Remind me how easy prior Elder Scrolls games were when you refused to cast anything but the worst spells, and constantly charged in to combat with them.

The OP was given advice about his build back in June. Rather than take the advice or (Stendarr forbid) use a little common sense, he insisted that his ridiculous build ought to be as strong as anyone else's in solo combat and forged on. It's like playing Skyrim with only Illusion spells and whining that you don't feel powerful in one-on-one combat with an undead enemy.

Magdalina · August 2014

Elad13 wrote: »

With only 14 days left...I feel your pain...my dw heavy armor templar struggled in alot of places....it wasn't that some bosses were almost impossible it was that I could run through everything else so easy and then hit a solid wall. Then I hit vet levels where mobs of 3 randoms were a99% death expectation.
Then came all the nerfs.
Post nerf apocalypse I was able to complete everything...but my character did not feel stronger or higher...you really don't get that you gain power at all in this game...loot is crap....builds are very much set and the huge world really seems gorgeously boring.
No fun in building new characters because after doing Cadwell gold it's all repeated.
This is a great 60-90 day game which would have been fine without the subscription cost.
The game is not worth more then that so my expectations versus actual is way off.
I can complain and suggest and forum troll...bbut that's not worth $15. So the only real power left is to unsub...The numbers are the only way zos will really listen to the players.

I just wanted to comment on the bold part because it caught my eye.
No, you don't gain much power as you rise in vet levels, that's true. You gear becomes only that much better, pots and food get upgraded last at vet 5 and skills basically stay the same. But this does not mean you cannot become better. In fact, that's one of the things I kinda like about current vet levels - YOU don't really get a buff with each level, but mobs do, so to become stronger you actually have to become better, not grind better gear. You have to learn. You try out new skills, new builds, new strategies. That's where the fun lies, to me and many, many others.

I'm normally a healer, I've made myself a secondary armor and staves for dps recently though, tried that out. I still like healing more but now I'm trying to add some dps in while still healing. I'm uncovering some very efficient and not very magicka consuming dps combos which I can still pull off while keeping everyone alive. This is awesome, I feel myself progressing and my teams becoming that much stronger and faster in dungeons. And this has nothing to do with gear or level, only skill and wish to learn.

timidobserver · August 2014

I agree that ZOS should think before they speak. Some people are not capable of obtaining the true message from something that is said. Using the OP's definition of "play your way" a person that wants to play with no weapons, armor, or skills should be able to be successful. The OP's definition of your way means you should be able to be successful doing absolutely anything you want to do.

The only thing that play your way means is that class role is less restricted in ESO than most other MMOs. There are a lot of skill trees that everyone has access to, which is a fairly new concept for an MMO. Each class can fill a dps, heal, or tank role with some reasonable expectation of success(trials aside.)