Soloeus wrote: »

1. Pathos is appealing to Emotion, which you do with your sob stories. Your problem is that using a sob story of "others have it worse than you" as a language coding technique to actually say shut up! cheapens the value of the sob story. I already feel less empathy for every situation you just described about the precious babies because I feel you tried to manipulate my emotions to silence me by making me feel bad if I "complain."

2. Logos is appealing to Logic, in which you go on a huge tirade about how it just isn't the end of the world. Problem is, nobody said it is. Nobody is behaving out of the motives you address. Instead, it seems logically, like you are muddying the waters by accusing people of having motives or behaviors just to paint a picture of them that is easy to attack. You also come off like some rich snob telling poor people just work harder.

3. Ethos is appealing to Ethics in which you attempt to portray people who "complain" as being unethical and immoral. Part of your argument is mere Semantics over the meaning of the word Rage. I also find it unethical that you are using manipulate techniques to rally the horde against "complainers."

4. Your argument just seems to paint with a brush so broad I could cover the side of a barn in 2 strokes. You make Apples and Oranges comparisons about Rage in a game versus Rage in real life.

Not to mention you also finalize by lecturing... again about adult behavior on the internet. As though you are seeking to claim some moral high ground by making easy to agree with points followed up with well, as you called it yourself... Hyperbole.

5. While I am certain you had good motives, I am also certain there are a lot more problems with your entire post than what I just pointed out. You did a good job of weaving Ethics, Logic and Emotion to construct an argument. Even though you have a really bad argument which I fear only serves to muddy the waters, you have a well structured argument.

In the end, I don't know if your post is directed to make a better community or complain about complainers.

I respect your Skill Level in Writing, and Critical Thinking. I just wish you had thought out the ramifications of lecturing, generalizations, presupposition and labeling of others. They are bad tactics.

You do make a really good point about the nature of hostility in the dissent of ESO Players toward Design Choices, but ignore the nature of hostility in those who attack the "complainers" as you label and generalize them. I don't agree with your post, because everything about your post turned me off. I do agree with the message in spite of that. I hope in the future you consider the tactics you use as to avoid turning off people who might otherwise agree with you.

Good luck!

SirAndy wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Please for the love of humanity don't try to justify hyperbole -_-

Without hyperbole, the universe will implode!
;-)

I think, if we need a code of conduct for these forums, we should adopt this one, in the immortal words of E.T.:

"Be kind."

GrimGryphon wrote: »

If people didn't *** each other off on a regular basis on forums, news sites, blog comments, etc. there would be little content on the Internet except for opinion articles masquerading as news stories, questionable reference materials like Wikipedia, bad memes, and cat videos.

UrQuan wrote: »

Or, in the words of Will Wheaton: "Don't be a [snip]."

Brandalf wrote: »

GrimGryphon wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Or, in the words of Will Wheaton: "Don't be a d*ck."

Even mentioning Wheaton should be an automatic ban. Without the Star Trek nerds, that guy would have been relegated to the dustbin long ago.

I would like him better if he looked in a mirror while using his catch-phrase. Admitting the problem is the first step toward healing.

For shame.

UrQuan wrote: »

GrimGryphon wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Or, in the words of Will Wheaton: "Don't be a d*ck."

Even mentioning Wheaton should be an automatic ban. Without the Star Trek nerds, that guy would have been relegated to the dustbin long ago.

I would like him better if he looked in a mirror while using his catch-phrase. Admitting the problem is the first step toward healing.

I see someone isn't a fan of Tabletop...

GrimGryphon wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

GrimGryphon wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Or, in the words of Will Wheaton: "Don't be a d*ck."

Even mentioning Wheaton should be an automatic ban. Without the Star Trek nerds, that guy would have been relegated to the dustbin long ago.

I would like him better if he looked in a mirror while using his catch-phrase. Admitting the problem is the first step toward healing.

I see someone isn't a fan of Tabletop...

I am a fan of tabletop, just not Wheaton.

He's not the poster boy for tabletop, just some schmuck who tries and capitalize off of it.

Soloeus wrote: »

1. Pathos is appealing to Emotion, which you do with your sob stories. Your problem is that using a sob story of "others have it worse than you" as a language coding technique to actually say shut up! cheapens the value of the sob story. I already feel less empathy for every situation you just described about the precious babies because I feel you tried to manipulate my emotions to silence me by making me feel bad if I "complain."

2. Logos is appealing to Logic, in which you go on a huge tirade about how it just isn't the end of the world. Problem is, nobody said it is. Nobody is behaving out of the motives you address. Instead, it seems logically, like you are muddying the waters by accusing people of having motives or behaviors just to paint a picture of them that is easy to attack. You also come off like some rich snob telling poor people just work harder.

3. Ethos is appealing to Ethics in which you attempt to portray people who "complain" as being unethical and immoral. Part of your argument is mere Semantics over the meaning of the word Rage. I also find it unethical that you are using manipulate techniques to rally the horde against "complainers."

4. Your argument just seems to paint with a brush so broad I could cover the side of a barn in 2 strokes. You make Apples and Oranges comparisons about Rage in a game versus Rage in real life.

Not to mention you also finalize by lecturing... again about adult behavior on the internet. As though you are seeking to claim some moral high ground by making easy to agree with points followed up with well, as you called it yourself... Hyperbole.

5. While I am certain you had good motives, I am also certain there are a lot more problems with your entire post than what I just pointed out. You did a good job of weaving Ethics, Logic and Emotion to construct an argument. Even though you have a really bad argument which I fear only serves to muddy the waters, you have a well structured argument.

In the end, I don't know if your post is directed to make a better community or complain about complainers.

I respect your Skill Level in Writing, and Critical Thinking. I just wish you had thought out the ramifications of lecturing, generalizations, presupposition and labeling of others. They are bad tactics.

You do make a really good point about the nature of hostility in the dissent of ESO Players toward Design Choices, but ignore the nature of hostility in those who attack the "complainers" as you label and generalize them. I don't agree with your post, because everything about your post turned me off. I do agree with the message in spite of that. I hope in the future you consider the tactics you use as to avoid turning off people who might otherwise agree with you.

Good luck!

Michael308 wrote: »

I’d like to offer a thought.

It isn’t earth-shattering, you don’t need to be Stephen Hawking or Albert Einstein to see the logic. In fact for most people it is probably rather obvious and to those of you who fall into that category, I apologize. But for the vocal minority who thinks terms like “rage” have a place in a discussion about video games, let me offer a bit of perspective.
(snip)
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t point out shortcomings, complain about bad service or anything of the sort, that is all part of free and open discussion and vital for any company to hear unvarnished. But when a post opens with “somebody sucks” “this game is doomed” or “I’m gonna quit” my immediate mental response is “OK, goodbye. Better luck at your next game.” Let’s lead by example.

That’s it. Thanks for reading.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Super_Sonico wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I don't understand this post. Is being angry about a game and being angry about unjust things in life mutually exclusive?

If I get worked up over a game I put time into, is it proof that I am incapable of feeling empathy for people suffering or sadness about the fact that life just really sucks?

This attempt to make feel feel like a horrible human being because I am capable of multi-tasking my rage, and changing the levels of it based on what I am raging about, seems in and of itself malicious.

I think you're being a little intentionally obtuse. His gist is quite simple. There's real things in the world to get mad at. A video game isn't one of them. Stop coming on the forums acting like your life is ruined just because something in game isn't working like you want. Be respectful, courteous, and learn to communicate clearly so we can all actually help get things fixed that need to be. Then we can have fun.

It's pretty simple really.

Right but I can be mad about said real things and still get riled up about this game. I have an endless amount of anger available for all facets of life. It's free and readily available, no reason not to use it.

Soloeus wrote: »

1. Pathos is appealing to Emotion, which you do with your sob stories. Your problem is that using a sob story of "others have it worse than you" as a language coding technique to actually say shut up! cheapens the value of the sob story. I already feel less empathy for every situation you just described about the precious babies because I feel you tried to manipulate my emotions to silence me by making me feel bad if I "complain."

2. Logos is appealing to Logic, in which you go on a huge tirade about how it just isn't the end of the world. Problem is, nobody said it is. Nobody is behaving out of the motives you address. Instead, it seems logically, like you are muddying the waters by accusing people of having motives or behaviors just to paint a picture of them that is easy to attack. You also come off like some rich snob telling poor people just work harder.

3. Ethos is appealing to Ethics in which you attempt to portray people who "complain" as being unethical and immoral. Part of your argument is mere Semantics over the meaning of the word Rage. I also find it unethical that you are using manipulate techniques to rally the horde against "complainers."

4. Your argument just seems to paint with a brush so broad I could cover the side of a barn in 2 strokes. You make Apples and Oranges comparisons about Rage in a game versus Rage in real life.

Not to mention you also finalize by lecturing... again about adult behavior on the internet. As though you are seeking to claim some moral high ground by making easy to agree with points followed up with well, as you called it yourself... Hyperbole.

5. While I am certain you had good motives, I am also certain there are a lot more problems with your entire post than what I just pointed out. You did a good job of weaving Ethics, Logic and Emotion to construct an argument. Even though you have a really bad argument which I fear only serves to muddy the waters, you have a well structured argument.

In the end, I don't know if your post is directed to make a better community or complain about complainers.

I respect your Skill Level in Writing, and Critical Thinking. I just wish you had thought out the ramifications of lecturing, generalizations, presupposition and labeling of others. They are bad tactics.

You do make a really good point about the nature of hostility in the dissent of ESO Players toward Design Choices, but ignore the nature of hostility in those who attack the "complainers" as you label and generalize them. I don't agree with your post, because everything about your post turned me off. I do agree with the message in spite of that. I hope in the future you consider the tactics you use as to avoid turning off people who might otherwise agree with you.

Good luck!