OP, your over looking the glue that holds the Internet together, Hyperbole. If people can't overstate for effect, then don't feel like their message will get across.
I love this game, but there are things about it that I don't like at all. I will complain about them, I will suggest ways to fix or improve things, but I don't threaten to quit the game because of it. I just want them to fix it. The game does not suck because of these issues, it is just not as good as it could be.
That being said, 90% of this game is great.
Michael308 wrote: »I’d like to offer a thought.
Wall of reasonableness.
That’s it. Thanks for reading.
SuraklinPrime wrote: »Your reasonable post has driven me into a seething ball of rage & hatred!!!!!1
OP, your over looking the glue that holds the Internet together, Hyperbole. If people can't overstate for effect, then don't feel like their message will get across.
I love this game, but there are things about it that I don't like at all. I will complain about them, I will suggest ways to fix or improve things, but I don't threaten to quit the game because of it. I just want them to fix it. The game does not suck because of these issues, it is just not as good as it could be.
That being said, 90% of this game is great.
Please for the love of humanity don't try to justify hyperbole -_-
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Maverick827 wrote: »I think this thread vastly overestimates the amount of legitimate trolls on these forums. People seem to think "troll" means "anyone who disagrees with me."
I don't like how you present this false dilemma whereby people can't complain about something because somewhere, someone has it worse. If that were true, then only one person in the world - some unfortunate blind, deaf, quadruple amputee homeless person - can complain about anything. Sorry, blind, deaf, triple amputee, someone has it worse than you - suck it up.
Sweeping generalizations are just as immature as "rage" posts.
You've completely missed the point.Maverick827 wrote: »I think this thread vastly overestimates the amount of legitimate trolls on these forums. People seem to think "troll" means "anyone who disagrees with me."
I don't like how you present this false dilemma whereby people can't complain about something because somewhere, someone has it worse. If that were true, then only one person in the world - some unfortunate blind, deaf, quadruple amputee homeless person - can complain about anything. Sorry, blind, deaf, triple amputee, someone has it worse than you - suck it up.
Sweeping generalizations are just as immature as "rage" posts.
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Maverick827 wrote: »I think this thread vastly overestimates the amount of legitimate trolls on these forums. People seem to think "troll" means "anyone who disagrees with me."
What I was referring to as Hyperbole is the Internet Temper Tantrum where the reaction is all out of context to problem. One is used by reasonable people, the other is used by, well, unreasonable people.
1. Pathos is appealing to Emotion, which you do with your sob stories. Your problem is that using a sob story of "others have it worse than you" as a language coding technique to actually say shut up! cheapens the value of the sob story. I already feel less empathy for every situation you just described about the precious babies because I feel you tried to manipulate my emotions to silence me by making me feel bad if I "complain."
2. Logos is appealing to Logic, in which you go on a huge tirade about how it just isn't the end of the world. Problem is, nobody said it is. Nobody is behaving out of the motives you address. Instead, it seems logically, like you are muddying the waters by accusing people of having motives or behaviors just to paint a picture of them that is easy to attack. You also come off like some rich snob telling poor people just work harder.
3. Ethos is appealing to Ethics in which you attempt to portray people who "complain" as being unethical and immoral. Part of your argument is mere Semantics over the meaning of the word Rage. I also find it unethical that you are using manipulate techniques to rally the horde against "complainers."
4. Your argument just seems to paint with a brush so broad I could cover the side of a barn in 2 strokes. You make Apples and Oranges comparisons about Rage in a game versus Rage in real life.
Not to mention you also finalize by lecturing... again about adult behavior on the internet. As though you are seeking to claim some moral high ground by making easy to agree with points followed up with well, as you called it yourself... Hyperbole.
5. While I am certain you had good motives, I am also certain there are a lot more problems with your entire post than what I just pointed out. You did a good job of weaving Ethics, Logic and Emotion to construct an argument. Even though you have a really bad argument which I fear only serves to muddy the waters, you have a well structured argument.
In the end, I don't know if your post is directed to make a better community or complain about complainers.
I respect your Skill Level in Writing, and Critical Thinking. I just wish you had thought out the ramifications of lecturing, generalizations, presupposition and labeling of others. They are bad tactics.
You do make a really good point about the nature of hostility in the dissent of ESO Players toward Design Choices, but ignore the nature of hostility in those who attack the "complainers" as you label and generalize them. I don't agree with your post, because everything about your post turned me off. I do agree with the message in spite of that. I hope in the future you consider the tactics you use as to avoid turning off people who might otherwise agree with you.
Good luck!
I honestly haven't seen anyone act the way you describe on these forums.Michael308 wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »I think this thread vastly overestimates the amount of legitimate trolls on these forums. People seem to think "troll" means "anyone who disagrees with me."
As that was clearly set forth in my OP I will merely suggest that you overlooked it.
And I did not suggest that only the worse-off gets to complain, but rather that rage, the scream-fits and tantrums, should be considered through the lens of perspective before being launched. Your rebuttal to me was thoughtful, you didn't threaten to quit this forum because I disagreed with you. The parallel I believe, is evident.
Really? I've seen an awful lot of people on these forums behave the way he describes.Maverick827 wrote: »I honestly haven't seen anyone act the way you describe on these forums.Michael308 wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »I think this thread vastly overestimates the amount of legitimate trolls on these forums. People seem to think "troll" means "anyone who disagrees with me."
As that was clearly set forth in my OP I will merely suggest that you overlooked it.
And I did not suggest that only the worse-off gets to complain, but rather that rage, the scream-fits and tantrums, should be considered through the lens of perspective before being launched. Your rebuttal to me was thoughtful, you didn't threaten to quit this forum because I disagreed with you. The parallel I believe, is evident.
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1. Pathos is appealing to Emotion, which you do with your sob stories. Your problem is that using a sob story of "others have it worse than you" as a language coding technique to actually say shut up! cheapens the value of the sob story. I already feel less empathy for every situation you just described about the precious babies because I feel you tried to manipulate my emotions to silence me by making me feel bad if I "complain."
2. Logos is appealing to Logic, in which you go on a huge tirade about how it just isn't the end of the world. Problem is, nobody said it is. Nobody is behaving out of the motives you address. Instead, it seems logically, like you are muddying the waters by accusing people of having motives or behaviors just to paint a picture of them that is easy to attack. You also come off like some rich snob telling poor people just work harder.
3. Ethos is appealing to Ethics in which you attempt to portray people who "complain" as being unethical and immoral. Part of your argument is mere Semantics over the meaning of the word Rage. I also find it unethical that you are using manipulate techniques to rally the horde against "complainers."
4. Your argument just seems to paint with a brush so broad I could cover the side of a barn in 2 strokes. You make Apples and Oranges comparisons about Rage in a game versus Rage in real life.
Not to mention you also finalize by lecturing... again about adult behavior on the internet. As though you are seeking to claim some moral high ground by making easy to agree with points followed up with well, as you called it yourself... Hyperbole.
5. While I am certain you had good motives, I am also certain there are a lot more problems with your entire post than what I just pointed out. You did a good job of weaving Ethics, Logic and Emotion to construct an argument. Even though you have a really bad argument which I fear only serves to muddy the waters, you have a well structured argument.
In the end, I don't know if your post is directed to make a better community or complain about complainers.
I respect your Skill Level in Writing, and Critical Thinking. I just wish you had thought out the ramifications of lecturing, generalizations, presupposition and labeling of others. They are bad tactics.
You do make a really good point about the nature of hostility in the dissent of ESO Players toward Design Choices, but ignore the nature of hostility in those who attack the "complainers" as you label and generalize them. I don't agree with your post, because everything about your post turned me off. I do agree with the message in spite of that. I hope in the future you consider the tactics you use as to avoid turning off people who might otherwise agree with you.
Good luck!
Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Well another thread about something that will just not change at all anyway , but i guess it is nice to talk about it like it would.