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@ZOS, We need some communication, even just a little.
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The ESO panel helped out alot, and definately kept some people on the line, however questions rise that refuse to get answered and i dont understand why. I pay $15 a month which at this point i consider an investment considering the thing is broken, however i do understand the game is new and needs time to work it all out which is the exact reason why i still pay and still play. What I don't understand is that $15 a month goes to taking care of the game and paying the employees, and you would figure with that would come some communication, even just a little. I've had tons of questions that i have tagged forum moderators in for help and questions about where this game is going and i can't get a single response, at this time we are just tossing theory around because they gave us enough information to understand where they are going, but they won't give us details. We will use this for example; both @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and @ZOS_GinaBruno have said that when the champion system comes out and is in full effect the veteran ranks will go away, and the video that gets tossed around all the time with @ZOS_PaulSage says in the second phase veteran ranks will still be in and you will use normal exp to advance through the veteran ranks. My understanding of that is exactly what i put, when phase 2 of the champion comes out we will still have veteran ranks and when the system is finalized the veteran ranks will go away and be turned into champion points. However some people are arguing that @ZOS_PaulSage is talking about never getting rid of veteran ranks... We really need some clarification on stuff like this.
To be honest more information and theory crafting for these systems should go through the players for helpful or constructive criticism, but we don't even get a chance until after its out and people are upset. Yes, some people are upset because you are taking away their "overpowered" status or worried that something you fixed or plan to on the PTS will hurt them more than add any gain to them. I however am generally concerned with the overall performance and success of this game. I love elder scrolls and i want this game to be successful, you guys want more than $15 a month just ask, but all i want is some form of communication with issues like this. Can we, the player base, the ones who pay your electric bills and server upkeep costs, get some love here?
Love you ZOS, but just remember the player base can only take so much before they break, and i dont want them to break...
And please other members of this forum the trolls will come and argue with this post, please just ignore them, we don't need any hate here
To be honest more information and theory crafting for these systems should go through the players for helpful or constructive criticism, but we don't even get a chance until after its out and people are upset. Yes, some people are upset because you are taking away their "overpowered" status or worried that something you fixed or plan to on the PTS will hurt them more than add any gain to them. I however am generally concerned with the overall performance and success of this game. I love elder scrolls and i want this game to be successful, you guys want more than $15 a month just ask, but all i want is some form of communication with issues like this. Can we, the player base, the ones who pay your electric bills and server upkeep costs, get some love here?
Love you ZOS, but just remember the player base can only take so much before they break, and i dont want them to break...
And please other members of this forum the trolls will come and argue with this post, please just ignore them, we don't need any hate here
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✭✭✭✭✭The aforementioned communication is only confusing because forum posters have made it confusing.
Paul Sage only ever referred to VR still being present in phase 2 of the transition. And the moderators have been very clear about VR disappearing when the Champion System goes live.
No confusion there. Just obfuscation from posters who can't find anything better to whine about.----
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Wouldn't the people "whining" (please don't use that term, it's inflammatory) be agreeing that the veteran ranks are disappearing? It only strengthens the position that this veteran rank increase is all for nothing.nerevarine1138 wrote: »The aforementioned communication is only confusing because forum posters have made it confusing.
Paul Sage only ever referred to VR still being present in phase 2 of the transition. And the moderators have been very clear about VR disappearing when the Champion System goes live.
No confusion there. Just obfuscation from posters who can't find anything better to whine about.4 -
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✭Maverick827 wrote: »Communication has been and still is Zenimax's worst skill.
That and communicating else where instead of their main forums and conveying information so it's available to everyone that reads said forum.☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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This veteran increase is just a simulation of the champion system.
It gives hardcore people something to do while they finish implementing the complete overhaul.
The champion points pretty much have been described like seasonal gear with the bar pushed up very frequently. The older gear becoming much easier to attain afterwards.
I think people agreed it will be a decent system, but didn't realise the implication for themselves.
We're just in the "growing pains" phase, soon we'll get to have awkward teenage romance with a cute looking endgame.
Hopefuly, eso lives long enough to become a fine looking cougar.Edited by frosth.darkomenb16_ESO on August 21, 2014 4:44AM8 -
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✭✭I agree with the OP - we should not be in a situation where people are asking questions on the official forums and the only ZOS responses that appear are via other players posting quotes, transcripts, and screenshots showing what ZOS employees said on other sites.
ZOS moderators are a huge presence on these boards and I would appreciate it if they would pitch in more with an official response, even if it's something like "we're still working out the details". I know the developers are working hard to make the game better and there will be missteps - but direct communication can smooth a lot of things over.Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
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✭If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.NerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/167 -
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Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.4 -
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✭Maverick827 wrote: »
Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.
They will never respond. If they respond to one comment, you'll get a hundred posts demanding a response. They just read and take notes, then discuss what they want in their private meetings. And the devs making the decisions probably don't have time to read forums. They pay people to do that.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 1:28PM4 -
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Good luck to them keeping that going.Maverick827 wrote: »
Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.
They will never respond. If they respond to one comment, you'll get a hundred posts demanding a response. They just read and take notes, then discuss what they want in their private meetings. And the devs making the decisions probably don't have time to read forums.
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✭Maverick827 wrote: »
Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.
Just because they don't respond to every Tom, *** and Harry's post doesn't mean they aren't listening. The fact that they created the thread asking for player feedback on the idea in the first place shows they want to know what their community wants. Most other devs would go along with changes without even considering asking for player input.
It's never enough for some people though and I don't envy ZOS. These forums are extremely toxic and full of misinformation and hyperbole. There is a reason they seem to be more active on the ESO subreddit as well as actively answering player questions and concerns during podcasts like ES: OTR. Because these forums are full of extremely rude comments from people with no respect for what the devs have done so far or for what their future plans are.
How many games have you played where the devs have detailed about a year or more worth of upcoming content? How many MMO devs actually hit their promised content update cadence? Not many.
Edited by LtCrunch on August 21, 2014 1:29PMNerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/164 -
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✭Maverick827 wrote: »
Good luck to them keeping that going.Maverick827 wrote: »
Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.
They will never respond. If they respond to one comment, you'll get a hundred posts demanding a response. They just read and take notes, then discuss what they want in their private meetings. And the devs making the decisions probably don't have time to read forums.
Are you implying the devs would not be able to improve a game without responding to the forums?Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 1:33PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Maverick827 wrote: »
Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.
Just because they don't respond to every Tom, *** and Harry's post doesn't mean they aren't listening. The fact that they created the thread asking for player feedback on the idea in the first place shows they want to know what their community wants. Most other devs would go along with changes without even considering asking for player input.
It's never enough for some people though and I don't envy ZOS. These forums are extremely toxic and full of misinformation and hyperbole. There is a reason they seem to be more active on the ESO subreddit as well as actively answering player questions and concerns during podcasts like ES: OTR. Because these forums are full of extremely rude comments from people with no respect for what the devs have done so far or for what their future plans are.
How many games have you played where the devs have detailed about a year or more worth of upcoming content? How many MMO devs actually hit their promised content update cadence? Not many.
This. This. A hundred times this.
Let's take a moment and realize that the Reddit board for this game is a more respectful, rational community than the official boards. Reddit. That speaks volumes about the average quality of the posts here.----
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.
Just because they don't respond to every Tom, *** and Harry's post doesn't mean they aren't listening. The fact that they created the thread asking for player feedback on the idea in the first place shows they want to know what their community wants. Most other devs would go along with changes without even considering asking for player input.
It's never enough for some people though and I don't envy ZOS. These forums are extremely toxic and full of misinformation and hyperbole. There is a reason they seem to be more active on the ESO subreddit as well as actively answering player questions and concerns during podcasts like ES: OTR. Because these forums are full of extremely rude comments from people with no respect for what the devs have done so far or for what their future plans are.
How many games have you played where the devs have detailed about a year or more worth of upcoming content? How many MMO devs actually hit their promised content update cadence? Not many.
This. This. A hundred times this.
Let's take a moment and realize that the Reddit board for this game is a more respectful, rational community than the official boards. Reddit. That speaks volumes about the average quality of the posts here.
IKR! Reddit of all places lol!
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.
Just because they don't respond to every Tom, *** and Harry's post doesn't mean they aren't listening. The fact that they created the thread asking for player feedback on the idea in the first place shows they want to know what their community wants. Most other devs would go along with changes without even considering asking for player input.
It's never enough for some people though and I don't envy ZOS. These forums are extremely toxic and full of misinformation and hyperbole. There is a reason they seem to be more active on the ESO subreddit as well as actively answering player questions and concerns during podcasts like ES: OTR. Because these forums are full of extremely rude comments from people with no respect for what the devs have done so far or for what their future plans are.
How many games have you played where the devs have detailed about a year or more worth of upcoming content? How many MMO devs actually hit their promised content update cadence? Not many.
This. This. A hundred times this.
Let's take a moment and realize that the Reddit board for this game is a more respectful, rational community than the official boards. Reddit. That speaks volumes about the average quality of the posts here.
IKR! Reddit of all places lol!
I think people get more snotty when they feel entitled. People on reddit are likely talking to each other rather than yelling at a corporation.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 1:41PM2 -
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Who's asking for details about a year's worth of content? People want to talk about current issues.Maverick827 wrote: »
Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.
Just because they don't respond to every Tom, *** and Harry's post doesn't mean they aren't listening. The fact that they created the thread asking for player feedback on the idea in the first place shows they want to know what their community wants. Most other devs would go along with changes without even considering asking for player input.
It's never enough for some people though and I don't envy ZOS. These forums are extremely toxic and full of misinformation and hyperbole. There is a reason they seem to be more active on the ESO subreddit as well as actively answering player questions and concerns during podcasts like ES: OTR. Because these forums are full of extremely rude comments from people with no respect for what the devs have done so far or for what their future plans are.
How many games have you played where the devs have detailed about a year or more worth of upcoming content? How many MMO devs actually hit their promised content update cadence? Not many.
Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?
Do they realize their design philosophies make legendary gear too risky to create? Are they okay with this or can we expect to see systems to mitigate the risk of making legendary items? If not, why bother having them in game if they're never worth making?
Go to the BioWare social forums and see the level of developer interaction I expect. I knew more and about Dragon Age 3 and felt I could have my questions answered more reliably about that game two years ago than I know about the Champion system today.Edited by Maverick827 on August 21, 2014 1:42PM2 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭Maverick827 wrote: »Communication has been and still is Zenimax's worst skill.
Overly harsh. They're way worse at bug fixing and update testing so you really should take that back.
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✭Maverick827 wrote: »
Who's asking for details about a year's worth of content? People want to talk about current issues.Maverick827 wrote: »
Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.
Just because they don't respond to every Tom, *** and Harry's post doesn't mean they aren't listening. The fact that they created the thread asking for player feedback on the idea in the first place shows they want to know what their community wants. Most other devs would go along with changes without even considering asking for player input.
It's never enough for some people though and I don't envy ZOS. These forums are extremely toxic and full of misinformation and hyperbole. There is a reason they seem to be more active on the ESO subreddit as well as actively answering player questions and concerns during podcasts like ES: OTR. Because these forums are full of extremely rude comments from people with no respect for what the devs have done so far or for what their future plans are.
How many games have you played where the devs have detailed about a year or more worth of upcoming content? How many MMO devs actually hit their promised content update cadence? Not many.
Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?
Do they realize their design philosophies make legendary gear too risky to create? Are they okay with this or can we expect to see systems to mitigate the risk of making legendary items? If not, why bother having them in game if they're never worth making?
Go to the BioWare social forums and see the level of developer interaction I expect. I knew more and about Dragon Age 3 and felt I could have my questions answered more reliably about that game two years ago than I know about the Champion system today.
Well as a paying subscriber I like to see what the future of the game is going to look like and whether it's going in a direction I support or not. I guess some people are fine with being left in the dark.
Also how is it so diificult for some to understand that until the champion system comes we still need some form of progression, VR14 fills that void until the champion system is fully fleshed out, I'd rather they take their time and implement a new level cap now then rush out a half-a**ed system.
Are you going to complain about not getting refunded your mats each time a new gear season comes out once seasonal gear is implemented? MMOs change and evolve, most need some form of progression or the "carrot on the stick" to keep people interested. Evolution and change is the name of the game when it comes to MMOs and if the game is not headed in a direction you're happy with then feel free to move on. Sitting on these forums making demands and complaints does nothing positive for us the paying subscribers or the devs.NerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/162 -
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Because they aren't removing veteran ranks.Maverick827 wrote: »Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?1 -
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Because they aren't removing veteran ranks.Maverick827 wrote: »Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?
Please stop spreading misinformation. The moderators on this forum have given blunt, clear answers to this question.
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »
Which Official Elder Scrolls Online forums are you reading?If this were a couple months ago, I'd agree but ZOS has quickly become a very open and honest dev team. My guess is the first couple months they were focused on getting the launch kinks worked out and they've done a bang up job IMO.
There's been a slight uptick in posting prepared information dumps (things like the Provisioning Revamp thread) but zero increased effort in answering questions.
The Provisioning Revamp thread is a perfect example of this. Over the course of two months, Zenimax created the thread, made one update, and then posted "Okay, we're going to go ahead with our initial plans" disregarding 20 pages of feedback.
This VR14 issue has been festering for two days and there's no sign of any acknowledgement or discussion about it.
Just because they don't respond to every Tom, *** and Harry's post doesn't mean they aren't listening. The fact that they created the thread asking for player feedback on the idea in the first place shows they want to know what their community wants. Most other devs would go along with changes without even considering asking for player input.
It's never enough for some people though and I don't envy ZOS. These forums are extremely toxic and full of misinformation and hyperbole. There is a reason they seem to be more active on the ESO subreddit as well as actively answering player questions and concerns during podcasts like ES: OTR. Because these forums are full of extremely rude comments from people with no respect for what the devs have done so far or for what their future plans are.
How many games have you played where the devs have detailed about a year or more worth of upcoming content? How many MMO devs actually hit their promised content update cadence? Not many.
This. This. A hundred times this.
Let's take a moment and realize that the Reddit board for this game is a more respectful, rational community than the official boards. Reddit. That speaks volumes about the average quality of the posts here.
IKR! Reddit of all places lol!
I think people get more snotty when they feel entitled. People on reddit are likely talking to each other rather than yelling at a corporation.
That's the main issue right there, entitlement. We're all paying subscribers, but some people seem to think their issues with or opinion about the game are more important than someone else's.
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Because they aren't removing veteran ranks.Maverick827 wrote: »Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?
Please stop spreading misinformation. The moderators on this forum have given blunt, clear answers to this question.
Once the Champion System is implemented, VR levels disappear. Period. End of story.
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Because they aren't removing veteran ranks.Maverick827 wrote: »Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?
Please stop spreading misinformation. The moderators on this forum have given blunt, clear answers to this question.
Once the Champion System is implemented, VR levels disappear. Period. End of story.
Proof please.
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Because they aren't removing veteran ranks.Maverick827 wrote: »Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?
Please stop spreading misinformation. The moderators on this forum have given blunt, clear answers to this question.
Once the Champion System is implemented, VR levels disappear. Period. End of story.
Proof please.
Where does that come from? Link please.
How are you going to feel when you find out that Jessica was given the wrong information? Because from what the lead dev for the champion system, Paul Sage, said, VR will level with XP and champion points will be used for improving skills. And he's the guy making these changes.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 2:23PM2 -
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Because they aren't removing veteran ranks.Maverick827 wrote: »Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?
Please stop spreading misinformation. The moderators on this forum have given blunt, clear answers to this question.
Once the Champion System is implemented, VR levels disappear. Period. End of story.
Proof please.
Where does that come from? Link please.
It's from one of the ES:OTR podcasts that @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom frequent the live chat of on twitch to clarify and answer questions people have about the game. It's from one of those live chats so that picture is the best proof you're going to see until phase 3 is implemented.
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Because they aren't removing veteran ranks.Maverick827 wrote: »Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?
Please stop spreading misinformation. The moderators on this forum have given blunt, clear answers to this question.
Once the Champion System is implemented, VR levels disappear. Period. End of story.
This is the truth if you put the whole time line together . Paul clearly spelled it out
Phase 1 Is basically balancing , Zones content , and hopefully more balances to Specs and armor system.
Phase 2 is conversion of XP , getting rid of the VR experience points. converting the VR system to normal EXP making them easier to obtain.
Phase 3 is implementation. This is were the Champion system is introduced to live.
where people are confused is the phase we are currently in. That is obvious. it's phase one the balance is still bad and End game PVE specs are limited. So we are in the balancing phase and will likely be there through the holidays. We know Octobers/november update is the new VR 14 dungeon and dont count on any thing happening in December. And as we have not seen any rescaling of the old dungeons nor reitemizing we can anticipate this will be updates after the EXP conversion.
just to put realism on the whole thing so people get a clear picture. Content Updates are coming at a rate of about 6 to 8 weeks. From what is involved with the champion system and the massive overhaul it will be you will have another 2 to 3 months of phase 1 before they do a conversion of EXP in phase 2. and you will definately get the new VR dungeon before phase 2.
So for all you people that are in VR and cannot stand grinding anymore and are in a holding patern for the champion system. you will be that way until probably march or april of 2015 . if your not enjoying the game now and want this change your better of unsubscribing until the actual phase 3 implementation.Edited by Wifeaggro13 on August 21, 2014 2:36PM2 -
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✭When I hear "We're converting veteran points into XP, and it will make it faster to level up", it sounds like there will still be veteran levels. He never says the champion system will remove the veteran ranks, but what does he know? He's only the guy making these changes.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 21, 2014 2:40PM1 -
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✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Because they aren't removing veteran ranks.Maverick827 wrote: »Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?
Please stop spreading misinformation. The moderators on this forum have given blunt, clear answers to this question.
Once the Champion System is implemented, VR levels disappear. Period. End of story.
This is the truth if you put the whole time line together . Paul clearly spelled it out
Phase 1 Is basically balancing , Zones content , and hopefully more balances to Specs and armor system.
Phase 2 is conversion of XP , getting rid of the VR experience points. converting the VR system to normal EXP making them easier to obtain.
Phase 3 is implementation. This is were the Champion system is introduced to live.
where people are confused is the phase we are currently in. That is obvious. it's phase one the balance is still bad and End game PVE specs are limited. So we are in the balancing phase and will likely be there through the holidays. We know Octobers/november update is the new VR 14 dungeon and dont count on any thing happening in December. And as we have not seen any rescaling of the old dungeons nor reitemizing we can anticipate this will be updates after the EXP conversion.
just to put realism on the whole thing so people get a clear picture. Content Updates are coming at a rate of about 6 to 8 weeks. From what is involved with the champion system and the massive overhaul it will be you will have another 2 to 3 months of phase 1 before they do a conversion of EXP in phase 2. and you will definately get the new VR dungeon before phase 2.
So for all you people that are in VR and cannot stand grinding anymore and are in a holding patern for the champion system. you will be that way until probably march or april of 2015 . if your not enjoying the game now and want this change your better of unsubscribing until the actual phase 3 implementation.
No way does it take them that long to implement the champion system. It's too important to the health of the endgame. At The latest I would expect it to come is maybe January of next year.
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I hope your right. just looking at the time line here. i will be shocked if the champion system is in by January. but i agree it is to important to the health of end game. if they were any where near a launch date (90 days or less) they would not be increasing the VR again, this is a clear sign they need more time.Wifeaggro13 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »
Because they aren't removing veteran ranks.Maverick827 wrote: »Why are they implementing VR14 when they're just going to remove veteran ranks soon?
Please stop spreading misinformation. The moderators on this forum have given blunt, clear answers to this question.
Once the Champion System is implemented, VR levels disappear. Period. End of story.
This is the truth if you put the whole time line together . Paul clearly spelled it out
Phase 1 Is basically balancing , Zones content , and hopefully more balances to Specs and armor system.
Phase 2 is conversion of XP , getting rid of the VR experience points. converting the VR system to normal EXP making them easier to obtain.
Phase 3 is implementation. This is were the Champion system is introduced to live.
where people are confused is the phase we are currently in. That is obvious. it's phase one the balance is still bad and End game PVE specs are limited. So we are in the balancing phase and will likely be there through the holidays. We know Octobers/november update is the new VR 14 dungeon and dont count on any thing happening in December. And as we have not seen any rescaling of the old dungeons nor reitemizing we can anticipate this will be updates after the EXP conversion.
just to put realism on the whole thing so people get a clear picture. Content Updates are coming at a rate of about 6 to 8 weeks. From what is involved with the champion system and the massive overhaul it will be you will have another 2 to 3 months of phase 1 before they do a conversion of EXP in phase 2. and you will definately get the new VR dungeon before phase 2.
So for all you people that are in VR and cannot stand grinding anymore and are in a holding patern for the champion system. you will be that way until probably march or april of 2015 . if your not enjoying the game now and want this change your better of unsubscribing until the actual phase 3 implementation.
No way does it take them that long to implement the champion system. It's too important to the health of the endgame. At The latest I would expect it to come is maybe January of next year.
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