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Vampires Buffed! Silver Bolts Nerfed!
Soloeus
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Fighters Guild:
* Damage from Silver Bolts, Expert Hunter, and Trap Beast is now based on stamina and spell power instead of magicka and spell power.
This means Magicka Builds cannot be effective against Vampires. This gives Vampires the ultimate buff. Think you are forced to be "in a dress" now you are forced to Sparkle.
Edit: This is from Page 2, which sheds light on the topic. My conclusion of these tests are that Stamina Builds still won't be good against Vamps with Fighters Guild abilities and Mages were always better of Stealth Oil instead. I suppose I will start doing this immediately, because even if its gamey and crappy, its not really worse than Bat Swarm + Dark Talons.
Edited by Soloeus on August 21, 2014 5:50PM * Damage from Silver Bolts, Expert Hunter, and Trap Beast is now based on stamina and spell power instead of magicka and spell power.
This means Magicka Builds cannot be effective against Vampires. This gives Vampires the ultimate buff. Think you are forced to be "in a dress" now you are forced to Sparkle.
Edit: This is from Page 2, which sheds light on the topic. My conclusion of these tests are that Stamina Builds still won't be good against Vamps with Fighters Guild abilities and Mages were always better of Stealth Oil instead. I suppose I will start doing this immediately, because even if its gamey and crappy, its not really worse than Bat Swarm + Dark Talons.
xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »I'm pretty sure this change is already live.
i didn't notice a damage difference between my guy on PTS and my guy on Live.
On Live at the moment here are quick results I got.
If the tooltips are actually working:
With a Health Food on:
Silver Bolts: Damage284 Proc1884
Expert Hunter: 379 bonus
Trap Beast: Damage189 Burn339
With Magicka Food on:
Silver Bolts: Damage284 Proc1665
Expert Hunter: 379 bonus
Trap Beast: Damage189 Burn339
With Stamina Food on:
Silver Bolts: Damage306 Proc1665
Expert Hunter: 408 bonus
Trap Beast: Damage204 Burn366
So if the tooltips are working the damages are already scaling based on Stamina instead of Magicka.
Strangely, the proc on Silver Bolts appears to be scaling based on Health.
I didn't test the Proc, but I did a quick run with Silver Bolts against v10 Saber Cats; base damage hits were providing these results
Health food: 279
Magicka food: 273
Stamina food: 294
I don't know why the Health Food has higher damage than the Magicka food; but the Stamina food being highest appears to support it scaling based on Stamina.
I have 2k Magicka, 2.2k Health and 1.6k Stamina with the Stamina food buff active.
It's the crappy Chef foods in Riften, so it's giving 282 buff to each respective stat.
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✭✭✭Makes sence to me. Makes Stamine builds (like me) more viable also in PvP.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."2 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stamina skills use stamina to calculate damage...makes sense to me
Pretty much.
One would expect all the fighter guild skills to be based on stamina.This means Magicka Builds cannot be effective against Vampires. This gives Vampires the ultimate buff. Think you are forced to be "in a dress" now you are forced to Sparkle.
This make no sense at all , if anything it is the opposite , now you are not forced to be in a dress to kill them anymore."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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david271749✭✭✭✭✭You wouldn't be complaining if you hadn't thrown your character concept out the window for that dress/stick dps. Pay for the respec and attribute reset. You deserve it.Edited by david271749 on August 21, 2014 5:06AM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah! This is a good change.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭So much Presupposition here. I am a Sorcerer so of course I chose to wear Light Armor and a Destro/Resto Staff. What do you expect me to pick? Those of you who start your argument with assumptions about how I play, then proceed to "lecture" me on what you think my playstyle is, are just trolling.
The character concept going out the window is being "Hybrid" and using those Fighters Guild abilities because they were universally useful. Now they will only be useful to characters who focus entirely on Stamina.
And by the argument you are "forced to wear light armor" to be competitive, you now have to be a Vampire because unless you decked out Stamina you won't be able to use the only abilities that harm them.
I guess we should be greatful for Stealth Oil, I will go from using Silver Shards to using Stealth Oil. This is the gameplay change that impacts me. Hopefully the norm of stealthing oil will become respected as a rightful counter to vamps.Edited by Soloeus on August 21, 2014 5:24AM
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✭✭✭✭Look at the bright side, they could be stamina + weapon damage. At least you can still get some benefit out of your spell power with those abilities.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
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I55UE5✭✭✭After seeing this in the patch notes, I have been a complete wreck IRL trying to figure out why these never scaled from stamina before..8 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭If that was your 1 trick pony to take on other players, then jokes on you.
Since when were Vampires hard to bring down in Cyrodiil? Not in recent times at all. It's like any other player, except fire hurts them more and to make up for it they have some nice passives.
Also stamina-based abilities should be determined by.... stamina. It makes perfect sense!6 -
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✭ViciousWayz wrote: »If that was your 1 trick pony to take on other players, then jokes on you.
Since when were Vampires hard to bring down in Cyrodiil? Not in recent times at all. It's like any other player, except fire hurts them more and to make up for it they have some nice passives.
Also stamina-based abilities should be determined by.... stamina. It makes perfect sense!
Spoken like a Non-PVPer.
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭This only means that all the Fighters guild skills gonna be might less effecttive, since folks who go into Stamina doesnt buff their spell damage and guys with spell damage doesnt buff stamina. Therefore All the Fighter guild skills gonna be much less effective, even thou they already wasnt that good at all coz of hight stamina cost.2
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✭ViciousWayz wrote: »If that was your 1 trick pony to take on other players, then jokes on you.
Since when were Vampires hard to bring down in Cyrodiil? Not in recent times at all. It's like any other player, except fire hurts them more and to make up for it they have some nice passives.
Also stamina-based abilities should be determined by.... stamina. It makes perfect sense!
Spoken like a Non-PVPer.
I PvP w/out using any Fighter's Guild abilities or fire damage, and take down vamps all the time...
I'm sure I'm not some kind of PvP god amongst men and that there are plenty of others like me.
The change makes sense, and sounds more like a bug fix than anything. It's not even a nerf at all, it's just a change to scale the way it likely should have from the beginning, and as others mentioned... it's a buff to anyone using stamina builds.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm pretty sure this change is already live.
i didn't notice a damage difference between my guy on PTS and my guy on Live.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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The ability to use them has always been stamina based, but the damage they did was calculated using your magicka and spell power. It has been changed so the damage it does is now based on your stamina and spell power.Haven't Silver Bolts and its morphs always been based on Stam??
That is how I see it as well.killedbyping wrote: »This only means that all the Fighters guild skills gonna be might less effecttive, since folks who go into Stamina doesnt buff their spell damage and guys with spell damage doesnt buff stamina.1 -
david271749✭✭✭✭✭So much Presupposition here. I am a Sorcerer so of course I chose to wear Light Armor and a Destro/Resto Staff. What do you expect me to pick? Those of you who start your argument with assumptions about how I play, then proceed to "lecture" me on what you think my playstyle is, are just trolling.
The character concept going out the window is being "Hybrid" and using those Fighters Guild abilities because they were universally useful. Now they will only be useful to characters who focus entirely on Stamina.
And by the argument you are "forced to wear light armor" to be competitive, you now have to be a Vampire because unless you decked out Stamina you won't be able to use the only abilities that harm them.
I guess we should be greatful for Stealth Oil, I will go from using Silver Shards to using Stealth Oil. This is the gameplay change that impacts me. Hopefully the norm of stealthing oil will become respected as a rightful counter to vamps.
Sorry. Didn't realize sorcs can't deal fire damage. Lol. You're literally the only person complaining about this. If your character concept was "hybrid," as you say, then you'd have enough stamina to not worry about it.5 -
Siluen✭✭✭✭Here's a crazy thought!
Just attempt to kill them like you'd attempt to kill any other player in PvP?
Edited by Siluen on August 21, 2014 10:15AM2 -
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Kaynehusky✭✭✭How is this even being complained about? Stamina skill... Stamina should govern it... Why...? I just don't get people sometimes -_- I wish people would just learn how to play the game before they go and complain about stuff like this...2
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✭For me this ability best effect is the knockdown. The 5% chance to vaporise the Vampires is welcomed, but not game breaking.
I am surprised though that they still rely on Spell Power and not Weapon Power.
That would make more sense.
And FYI. Pure STA build with wielding sword seems is viable, but the use of Ravager set is one way street, even if very expensive
And the most insane is that the drop Heavy armours (eg Craglorn) are about Magicka Builds for heaven sake.....
Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on August 21, 2014 11:09AM2 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭As a vampire that PvPs every single day I have been killed by silver bolts a total of 0 times .. this doesn't buff or nerf anything really its blah.1
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EvilEmpire✭✭✭what i find utterly stupid is that it's based on stamina and magicka power instead of stamina and wep power2
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✭✭The base damage from Bolts was so crappy to begin with, I assumed it already was stamina based. I promptly dropped it when I read those notes.EP: Slania Isara : Harambe Was an Inside Job0 -
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It's still crass as these are physical attacks using spell power.
The ability to use them has always been stamina based, but the damage they did was calculated using your magicka and spell power. It has been changed so the damage it does is now based on your stamina and spell power..Haven't Silver Bolts and its morphs always been based on Stam??
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GaldorP✭✭✭✭✭And I was always wondering "why do my Silver Bolts only proc for 1.6k dmg and other people report them doing 2k dmg. They must be exaggerating. I'm a high stamina build so if anything my Silver Bolts will do more damage than theirs." I guess that answers that.2
