Will you cancel your subscription if the VR14 change is launched?
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rekina✭✭✭Yesfromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Except where this no 'casual' friendly content above VR10 those not wanting to spend their entire play time 'grouping up' simply to level up have no game left to play.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »As the previous poster said, the gap in power is trivial, and under such system, casual players can keep up with the flow while hardcore players have means to be slightly ahead.
Welcome to ESO post-VR10.
Again, welcome to MMOs versus single player RPGs... Not sure why you are still arguing.
Not sure why you are defending this so hard. Is this a part of your part-time job in ZoS?4 -
Nofromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Except where this no 'casual' friendly content above VR10 those not wanting to spend their entire play time 'grouping up' simply to level up have no game left to play.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »As the previous poster said, the gap in power is trivial, and under such system, casual players can keep up with the flow while hardcore players have means to be slightly ahead.
Welcome to ESO post-VR10.
You confuse solo and casual.
Casual/hardcore is a difference in time/effort available to consume content.
The vast majority of content of ESo is actually solo content, which is probably its biggest flaw. It was, and still is, very punishing to group during 90% of the game. Which should never happen in an mmo.
Never the less, if you meant there is no solo only content past finishing Caldwell's almanach, you are partly right.
There is no longer any new zones/stories, but there is a very healthy set of repeatable solo content present in cyrodiil.
In either cases, Craglorn or Cyrodiil, you'll cecide how to interact with other players. You have the choice. Will you go forced grouping, or potential fighting?
You also are ignoring the fact that there are more "solo" friendly addition coming in the future. Wrothgar will be solo only and, in many ways, Dragonstar arena is aimed at giving content to players not part of a large community.
By all these standards, when the champion system hits, keeping up as a solo players will be very possible.
And as a casual, grouped or not, it will also be much easier.0 -
Adrastes✭✭✭NoNo. i dont PVP. and raising VR levels up to even 100 while i do PVE is completely ok.0
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fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Because you're insisting that this type of content doesn't belong in MMOs, several others show you're simply wrong. Group content is fine, a level-cap without any non-group content isn't.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Except where this no 'casual' friendly content above VR10 those not wanting to spend their entire play time 'grouping up' simply to level up have no game left to play.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »As the previous poster said, the gap in power is trivial, and under such system, casual players can keep up with the flow while hardcore players have means to be slightly ahead.
Welcome to ESO post-VR10.
Again, welcome to MMOs versus single player RPGs... Not sure why you are still arguing.
The 'G' in MMORPG doesn't stand for group.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 21, 2014 8:09AM2 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Where are the non-PVP solo dailies?frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »There is no longer any new zones/stories, but there is a very healthy set of repeatable solo content present in cyrodiil.
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Some_Jerk✭✭✭NoI hope VR cap goes up a fair bit yet, but I also hope that eventually it stops somewhere for good.0
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Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesI want my time leveling and crafting legendary gear to mean something. No point even playing if I have to toss my time playing in the trash.
It's a glorified version of Gauntlet, if you derived enjoyment from it while you were playing then it meant something to you, that's about it; let's not kid ourselves that we're doing anything but pissing away time here.
I am saying that I want to enjoy the things that i work toward. Crafting a full set of legendary gear took me a long time, so did hitting VR12. I want to be able to enjoy that... I want to be able to roll around decked out for awhile, and enjoy the smaller things in the game while being maxed out.
Lets not kid ourselves and pretend working toward a goal is about the journey and not the goal.
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✭✭Nofromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Because you're insisting that this type of content doesn't belong in MMOs, several others show you're simply wrong. Group content is fine, a level-cap without any non-group content isn't.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Except where this no 'casual' friendly content above VR10 those not wanting to spend their entire play time 'grouping up' simply to level up have no game left to play.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »As the previous poster said, the gap in power is trivial, and under such system, casual players can keep up with the flow while hardcore players have means to be slightly ahead.
Welcome to ESO post-VR10.
Again, welcome to MMOs versus single player RPGs... Not sure why you are still arguing.
The 'G' in MMORPG doesn't stand for group.
Yet one of the M's stands for Multiplayer. This is not an RPG, you're not suposed to be able to play everything alone and 90% of the game is solo play (which is much more than many MMOs).
Rejoice with what you have and if it's not enough, do as you said and unsub.
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Nofromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Where are the non-PVP solo dailies?frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »There is no longer any new zones/stories, but there is a very healthy set of repeatable solo content present in cyrodiil.
They are non-PVP.
You kill monsters, pvp is just something that may happen as you do it.
It is an alternative to having to group for content.
This is a game attempting to be a virtual world, you have to interact with other players, in one way or another.
There is already way too much player segregation due to mega-server technology and all the instancing and phasing it implies.
I pve solo only, I've never liked "raids" in mmos, and yet even I think there is too much of an emphasis on solo content in the game.
I will get to vr14 without ever having to group with others.
This is an issue wether you realize it or not.0 -
NoQuit because they are adding new content and expanding the game at an unprecedented rate for MMO's?
Nah.. I'm good. Cya.2 -
Siluen✭✭✭✭NoThreads like these make me want to make an extra acount, and all I will do with it is post "That's it! I'm cancelling my sub!" in every single thread that discusses any sort of update.
Then I'll wait how long it takes for people to notice that I apparently have a thousand subs or so.0 -
Sindala✭✭✭✭✭Hi all,
I rarely am one for rage-posts and in most cases I'm a fairly peaceful forum lurker, however this recent news of the incoming increase to VR ranks has really effected my desire to play this game any longer.
Many of us have already spoken our minds in other threads on this topic however I think it's important that ZOS understands how strongly some of us feel about this topic.
I will be cancelling my subscription if I feel that I am in any way forced to grind gear and/or further VR levels to competitively PvP.
What will you be doing and why?
Grow up.Being First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.2 -
LtCrunch✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoLolnoNerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/160 -
Xeres14✭✭✭NoNow for me, I have 2 vet chars - VR2 and VR1. Why would I want to max my characters yet? 1. I'm still unsure of what I'd do at max level (whatever it is). And 2, I'm not sure if ZO or whomever knows what they want to do.
So instead I made 2 more alts and am leveling them up. Maybe by the time they're 50 and finish the main story ZO will hopefully figure out what they want to do.
And, no, I don't believe this is the case now. Because if raising the max level cap as often as they are is their plan, then they need to rename it to Plan Z and go back to the conference room or wherever they make their plans and come up with a decent one.Edited by Xeres14 on August 21, 2014 12:41PM0 -
DogFaceInBananaPatch✭✭✭✭NoSo now that this poll is winding down an accurate reading of the results are:
66 people claim they will unsubscribe but probably will not, though this number is nearly 100% of those not happy with the game.
487 is a miniscule fraction of those that will continue to play being the true number of votes would come from those playing the game and not coming to the forums.
82 people wanted to see the top number.
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fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
There's no such thing as an 'MMO', there is no noun in that acronym which is simply a contraction of the full one .. please learn English grammar .. the full acronym is MMORPG where 'G' is the noun game.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Because you're insisting that this type of content doesn't belong in MMOs, several others show you're simply wrong. Group content is fine, a level-cap without any non-group content isn't.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Except where this no 'casual' friendly content above VR10 those not wanting to spend their entire play time 'grouping up' simply to level up have no game left to play.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »As the previous poster said, the gap in power is trivial, and under such system, casual players can keep up with the flow while hardcore players have means to be slightly ahead.
Welcome to ESO post-VR10.
Again, welcome to MMOs versus single player RPGs... Not sure why you are still arguing.
The 'G' in MMORPG doesn't stand for group.
Yet one of the M's stands for Multiplayer. This is not an RPG, you're not suposed to be able to play everything alone and 90% of the game is solo play (which is much more than many MMOs).
Rejoice with what you have and if it's not enough, do as you said and unsub.
Yes, the second 'M' stands for multiplayer, I see them everywhere I go in the game and often form loose groups with them at Dolmens, etc.
You can interact with a massive number of other players entirely without forming groups, there is no implicit requirement to 'group' up in an MMORPG.
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 21, 2014 1:21PM2 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
There are a lot of people posting in this thread and elsewhere who aren't quitting, but who also are not happy with the change. This poll did not ask the right question. The other poll is much more accurate.DogFaceInBananaPatch wrote: »So now that this poll is winding down an accurate reading of the results are:
66 people claim they will unsubscribe but probably will not, though this number is nearly 100% of those not happy with the game.
487 is a miniscule fraction of those that will continue to play being the true number of votes would come from those playing the game and not coming to the forums.
82 people wanted to see the top number.0 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nofromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
There's no such thing as an 'MMO', there is no noun in that acronym which is simply a contraction of the full one .. please learn English grammar .. the full acronym is MMORPG where 'G' is the noun game.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Because you're insisting that this type of content doesn't belong in MMOs, several others show you're simply wrong. Group content is fine, a level-cap without any non-group content isn't.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Except where this no 'casual' friendly content above VR10 those not wanting to spend their entire play time 'grouping up' simply to level up have no game left to play.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »As the previous poster said, the gap in power is trivial, and under such system, casual players can keep up with the flow while hardcore players have means to be slightly ahead.
Welcome to ESO post-VR10.
Again, welcome to MMOs versus single player RPGs... Not sure why you are still arguing.
The 'G' in MMORPG doesn't stand for group.
Yet one of the M's stands for Multiplayer. This is not an RPG, you're not suposed to be able to play everything alone and 90% of the game is solo play (which is much more than many MMOs).
Rejoice with what you have and if it's not enough, do as you said and unsub.
Yes, the second 'M' stands for multiplayer, I see them everywhere I go in the game and often form loose groups with them at Dolmens, etc.
You can interact with a massive number of other players entirely without forming groups, there is no implicit requirement to 'group' up in an MMORPG.
An MMORPG is a massive muli-player online role playing game. An MMO is a massive multi-player online. All MMORPGs are MMOs but not all MMOs are MMORPGs.
Before telling people they should learn English grammar you should open your browser use google and wonder if you're not saying **** things about terms you obviously know nothing about. MMO is not a contraction of MMORPG.
For further reading:
http://internet-games.yoexpert.com/mmorpgs/what-s-the-difference-between-an-mmorpg-and-mmo-1636.html
Please also note that this is the second time in this forum that you say "An MMO is a wrong term and a contraction of MMORPG and you should learn grammar", it's also the second time I have to educate you when you clearly could have done the search yourself in google. It's quickly getting old (guess it won't be old much longer since you claim you'll unsub when update 4 hits, "fingers crossed"). Please learn to read and do a simple google query.
Multiplayer means engaging in content with other players, interacting with or against them. They are not just there to "make the game feel alive" so it's normal to expect that some content will have to be done along with those players, you're just delusional if you think otherwise.
Edited by TehMagnus on August 21, 2014 1:55PM1 -
Iradicus✭✭NoI dislike the 2nd lvl cap raise this soon.But i wont quite playing the game for it, i just wont make my gear legendary...ever...
I do hope they will offer good alternate ways to get those ranks, i did all the quests in the alliances and have only the last craglorn quest left.
Im am really NOT going to grind the same boss over and over.0 -
bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭UndecidedI'm poor Zeni, hear me out,
I'm no farmer or exploiter, I help folks in the world, they give me a little gold, and then I get to the repair guy, oboy ... questing doesn't make you rich(and pvp is even worse), certainly not rich enough to be crafting new "end"-lvl gear every 2-3 months
everybody wants progression, but that doesnt mean upping vr cap by 2 every couple months, thats why I was really excited when I heard about champion points, but alas, here we go againHaze Ramoran Dunmer Dragonknight Tank/Dps – Smoked-Da-Herb Saxheel Templar Tank/Healer
Red Diamond, Protect us 'til the end (EU EP Thorn)0 -
DeaconFrost✭✭NoPersonally, I think they should eliminate all VR1+ ranks. Veteran rank should be the cap - don't understand what the point is in going past VR1.1 -
fromtesonlineb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Something isn't right simply because Google shows large numbers like you are illiterately using wrong English: ignoring facts doesn't make them no longer facts.Please also note that this is the second time in this forum that you say "An MMO is a wrong term and a contraction of MMORPG and you should learn grammar", it's also the second time I have to educate you when you clearly could have done the search yourself in google. It's quickly getting old (guess it won't be old much longer since you claim you'll unsub when update 4 hits, "fingers crossed"). Please learn to read and do a simple google query.
Multiplayer means engaging in content with other players, interacting with or against them. They are not just there to "make the game feel alive" so it's normal to expect that some content will have to be done along with those players, you're just delusional if you think otherwise.
Mutiplayer doesn't mean 'engaging in content', since you like Google I'm sure you can find where this definition can be found:
"A multiplayer video game is a video game in which more than one person can play in the same game environment at the same time"
That says NOTHING about what if anything they have to do with each other, they're simply in the same game space .. and I already said do 'play with' others in some content quite readily so your strawman about my being 'delusional' is simply laughable.
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 21, 2014 2:29PM3 -
Kangas✭✭✭NoCurious for those who voted yes, is this also your first MMO?
Every mmo eventually raises level to keep all the whiny max level players from whining, leaving ot growing bored.1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭UndecidedCurious for those who voted yes, is this also your first MMO?
Every mmo eventually raises level to keep all the whiny max level players from whining, leaving ot growing bored.
Those MMOs raise level cap once a year (not twice within few months), with an expansion that is announced long time before (giving people time to prepare).
Edited by DDuke on August 21, 2014 2:39PM0 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
I've played pretty much every AAA MMO since 2001.Curious for those who voted yes, is this also your first MMO?
Every mmo eventually raises level to keep all the whiny max level players from whining, leaving ot growing bored.
The problem is not that the level cap is increasing, it's that it's increasing too frequently for obtaining gear to be worth the time and effort. Throw in 1.3's set bonus changes and you have some people needing to create a fourth set of end-game gear in four month's time.0 -
Maverick827✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
New content does not have to mean a level cap increase.Venereous44 wrote: »Isn't this a better problem than them not adding new content fast enough?1
