Thank you so much OP! I needed a good laugh today! They want to nerf a spell that only works intermittently and does absolutely no damage? The best part is when the OP compared it to bolt escape. Even with the nerf bolt escape is 1000 times more useful in PvP. I would gladly exchange bolt escape for invis in pvp. You literally only need to use one aoe to force us out of invis and it does nothing against all those wonderful aoe stuns and roots like talons for instance.

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As to the 90% of NB'S taking disguise I think that percentage is a lot lower especially now with the hundings and night mother armor set buffs. It's not uncommon for a bow or dual wield NB having 60% + crit chance before taking into account enemy keep bonuses and mundus stone choice (I'm sitting around 80% for bow and dual wield with my haderus buffs). Because of this the dot removal is probably the better morph now for cloak (can't tell you how many times I've been hit with oil or a fire balista and lived because of cloak). Sure the guaranteed crit is nice but the extra defense imo is far better.

The only issue with this is in PvP, people that stack 7-8 pieces of Impenetrable gear have 70-80% less chance for you to crit on them.
Shadowy Disguise would make your 80% crit a guaranteed crit against anyone who actually builds for PvP stats.

I use Efficient Purge for DoTs. Costs less Magicka than Cloak, removes effects from all my allies around me, also removes Piercing Mark.

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aco5712 wrote: »

Its bugged like mentioned before but when it does work, a detect pot/magelight will break it straight up. Any DoT will pop you out aswell. L2P before you go calling for nerfs

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Its funny that you think magelight can detect an NBs invisibility.

Magelight is how I used to detect Nightblades when I was on my Spell Crit build.
When I was close enough to them, when they would go "invisible" I would see them as being black and red and semi-transparent, but still visible and targettable.
A Nightblade in Cloak trying to escape is often an easy kill.

I think the NB invise should be nerfed like sorc bolt escape and remove their ability to go out of combat after using it.

It's OP and defiantly needs a nerf.

@Samadhi‌ I thought they nerfed the impen trait so you can't ridiculously stack it like that. I was always under the impression that people used infused and divines along with impen...I haven't run into many people, if any, who I don't get at least one crit hit in so I can't say stacking impen is as effective as it once was or I'm just not running into those people

GRxKnight wrote: »

@Samadhi‌ I thought they nerfed the impen trait so you can't ridiculously stack it like that. I was always under the impression that people used infused and divines along with impen...I haven't run into many people, if any, who I don't get at least one crit hit in so I can't say stacking impen is as effective as it once was or I'm just not running into those people

You must just not be running into them.
I have 7 pieces of Impenetrable gear, and the values are still scaling the exact same as before.

GRxKnight wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

@Samadhi‌ I thought they nerfed the impen trait so you can't ridiculously stack it like that. I was always under the impression that people used infused and divines along with impen...I haven't run into many people, if any, who I don't get at least one crit hit in so I can't say stacking impen is as effective as it once was or I'm just not running into those people

You must just not be running into them.
I have 7 pieces of Impenetrable gear, and the values are still scaling the exact same as before.

I would think the only people that would run that would be DK's and templar tanks...basically anyone with heavy armor and i try to avoid them.

I'm in 5 Light and 2 Medium.
I would like to use other traits, but none of them hold any real value for PvP.

ZOS needs to buff the other armour traits to be at a comparable level.

IDK...I guess I just like having that extra bit of stamina/magicka in my pools and extra crit damage by running divines with shadow stone...it's saved me quite a bit in terms of roll dodging or getting that extra cloak off to ensure safety. And who doesn't like doing just a little bit more damage every now and then?

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IDK...I guess I just like having that extra bit of stamina/magicka in my pools and extra crit damage by running divines with shadow stone...it's saved me quite a bit in terms of roll dodging or getting that extra cloak off to ensure safety. And who doesn't like doing just a little bit more damage every now and then?

If it works for you, that's great. I used to do the same thing.

For me, the 60ish extra Magicka and very slight increase to damage stopped being worth it; especially with how easily people can build to 60%+ crit rate.

With full Impenetrable, the only players I really have to worry about ever critting on me are other Nightblades on a Shadowy Disguise build.
Since you use Dark Cloak morph, your use of Shadow Stone and Divines would be completely cancelled out by my gear traits as you would not land crits (particularly if I use my Sword and Shield setup, which gives another 10% crit rate reduction).

The only thing needing a nerf in this game is reflective scale and dragonsblood.

GRxKnight wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

@Samadhi‌ I thought they nerfed the impen trait so you can't ridiculously stack it like that. I was always under the impression that people used infused and divines along with impen...I haven't run into many people, if any, who I don't get at least one crit hit in so I can't say stacking impen is as effective as it once was or I'm just not running into those people

You must just not be running into them.
I have 7 pieces of Impenetrable gear, and the values are still scaling the exact same as before.

I would think the only people that would run that would be DK's and templar tanks...basically anyone with heavy armor and i try to avoid them.

I run a Nightstaff with 7 light armor pieces and I use impenetrable on all of the pieces. I also have impenetrable on my shield, which is my swap weapon. Even 8 pieces doesn't help against shadowy disguise users due to the massive buff to attainable crit in the recent patch. But it's still better than nothing.

Shadowy disguise users are one of my biggest threats. So whenever i see a medium armor user, I always use piercing mark.

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

I think the NB invise should be nerfed like sorc bolt escape and remove their ability to go out of combat after using it.

It's OP and defiantly needs a nerf.

Yes. make it just like that teleport, when i use it near ppl, they should just go down on their knees. i would be happy to abuse that. Plus get me away 100m like lolsorcerers, and buff some NB skills to do same damage, so pls buff em. And make killers blade autoexecute, just like for the nobrain sorc.
Give NB a shield because lulsorcs have that, an exploding shade, a skill when you crit you get heal, and well... awesome heal what gives you magicka and health, and the awesome overload like ultimate too. But wait. that would be NB buff, up to lolSorcerers.... better dont. No need for another high hitting nobrain class. Better leave it as it is, and just lol at crying sorcerers.

ohh and mr lulsorcerer, try out NB before you cry for nerf, and youll see Sorc is 4 times more easier to play with, and abuse its craps. You would delete your NB. If you are so bad, that you cant see, or let NB to cloak, its not a fault of the NB, its your own. (i bet i can name many sorcerer abilities, what you dont even know what they are and what they do, and you complain about other class LoL)
Only vamp NB has awesome buff to get the hell out safetly. so nerf vamp first...

I have never seen so many LOLs on one post. @Soloeus, you are one funny guy.

david271749 wrote: »

I have never seen so many LOLs on one post. @Soloeus, you are one funny guy.

If an NB beating him so bad, what would do a templar or dk to him, even naked

Aeratus wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

@Samadhi‌ I thought they nerfed the impen trait so you can't ridiculously stack it like that. I was always under the impression that people used infused and divines along with impen...I haven't run into many people, if any, who I don't get at least one crit hit in so I can't say stacking impen is as effective as it once was or I'm just not running into those people

You must just not be running into them.
I have 7 pieces of Impenetrable gear, and the values are still scaling the exact same as before.

I would think the only people that would run that would be DK's and templar tanks...basically anyone with heavy armor and i try to avoid them.

I run a Nightstaff with 7 light armor pieces and I use impenetrable on all of the pieces. I also have impenetrable on my shield, which is my swap weapon. Even 8 pieces doesn't help against shadowy disguise users due to the massive buff to attainable crit in the recent patch. But it's still better than nothing.

Shadowy disguise users are one of my biggest threats. So whenever i see a medium armor user, I always use piercing mark.

Slightly off topic but does impen cap at 50%?

Invisibility is only reason I still play NB(actually it is reason I play still the game since reroll sucks). What don't you mention sorc bolt escape or DK reflective scales or dragon blood?
It is nearly impossible to gank mediocre skilled DK or Sorc player in PvP. Seriously if I was DK or Sorc no one would ever be able to gank me without any other help