Nerf: Nightblade Invisible.

Shunravi

PharmaChief wrote: »

CRAP!!!! I am new in PVP and all my nightblade tactics involved invisibility skill. I was like, hit disappear, hit again and so on.... So that doesn't work?

Oh, it works, but you really need to be careful. And always try to have a second option if your cloak fails you.

Knootewoot

PharmaChief wrote: »

CRAP!!!! I am new in PVP and all my nightblade tactics involved invisibility skill. I was like, hit disappear, hit again and so on.... So that doesn't work?

I use it to get away and works most of the time. just it's only 2.9 seconds max so it is not a miracle vanish.

What i mostly do is wielding a bow and do a roll-dodge for the extra speed buff (since sprinting with cloak breaks cloak of course) and then use cloak. Don't run in a straight line, but hide behind a tree or rock or something. Then use crouch/stealth.

Most of the times the enemies walk past the tree in the straight line they saw you disappear. And if your lucky, your stealth kicks in in time. Also you can use more vanish before the 2.9 seconds are over and before your magicka runs out to travel even further.

but since it is a bit bugged sometimes it used magicka but does not make you vanish. so you have to be lucky.

also... when someone uses piercing mark, dont bother cloak or stealth as it does not work. Bow+roll dodge and run like the wind and this time sprint if you can. If you have concealed weapon, you can cloak for extra speed buff (but then dont sprint) . But if you know who put the mark, turn around and fight.

AllPlayAndNoWork

Soloeus wrote: »

It is getting ridiculous. Nightblades are too powerful, being able to slip into invisibility without restriction upon any whim.

1. All actions (such as setting up a Siege Weapon) invoke a "timer." 5 seconds for a siege weapon. This leaves a person vulnerable while setting up siege weapons, and helps reduce the brainless tactic of oil pots everywhere.

2. When invisible is reused within 30 seconds of itself, it should cost 2x.


They start invisible, stealth up an oil pot, hit everyone with it, then right back to invisible again. Occasionally you will see a person "flicker" coming out of Invis long enough to attack and retreat.

Bolt Escape was nerfed, Bat Swarm was nerfed and now Nightblades need it. This is a fix.

Yaaaaaaawwwwn.

GRxKnight

It does work but there are times where you think it should work but it ends up not working

Tubben

Soloeus wrote: »

They start invisible, stealth up an oil pot, hit everyone with it, then right back to invisible again. Occasionally you will see a person "flicker" coming out of Invis long enough to attack and retreat.

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Armitas

Aeratus wrote: »

Stealth is not necessary for NB to do damage on the battlefield. I myself usually don't use stealth for purposes of killing, since I play caster NB and I stand in the middle of the battlefield (but behind the tanks). However, if you're playing as a bow-wielding ganker, then stealth adds a lot to your damage.

However, the best function of Dark Cloak is that it removes DOT effects on you. There's so many fire damage effects on the battlefield that it would be silly to ignore the function of Dark Cloak altogether.

Thanks, I plan to roll a NB for my first alt now.

CapuchinSeven

BrassRazoo wrote: »

It should cost double if used within 4 seconds, just like BE.
See how they like it.

Fine, then BE should break if you have a DOT on you.

Samadhi

Armitas wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

This is not a loaded question, i'm just asking because there are a lot of NB's here and I need to make an alt at some point.

Is it possible to make a strong PvP NB build that does not use cloak or any stealth? I'm talking middle of the battlefield, out in the daylight, killing and living kind of PvP. Or is every function of the NB entirely dependent on stealthing to work as a class.

You can but it's sub optimal

Sub optimal in that you are more likely to die due to the lack of the possibility of stealth escape, or that you may kill less,? edit insert. Or that the class is so depend on stealth that it needs it to do both?

I wouldn't say entirely dependant on stealth to do both; just that so many class mechanics are tied to invisibility that Nightblades don't receive most of their best combat bonuses without the skill.

Nightblade has multiple Passive skills that activate when using Cloak.
If the skill works, the passives increase both survivability and damage slightly.

Master Assassin passive increases Spell Damage and Weapon Damage while invisible.
Shadow Barrier passive gives the Nightblade a buff to Armour and Spell Resistance when coming out of Invisible -- since the skill breaks so frequently, I tend to get this buff more often than the actual invisibility buff working correctly.

Also, Nightblade's best CC skill only activates a Stun in combat if it is used while invisible.
If Invisible fails (as it often does) the CC won't activate and the skill will only do damage.

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

BrassRazoo wrote: »

It should cost double if used within 4 seconds, just like BE.
See how they like it.

Fine, then BE should break if you have a DOT on you.

Or, if the Sorc has a DoT on an enemy, BE should break.

And, if the enemy uses an easily crafted potion they should teleport to the Sorc after every cast of BE.

And, if an enemy tags the Sorc with a 60 second curse, it should make BE cost Magicka and not do anything for the duration.

And, Fighter's Guild should have a toggle skill that pulls any BE Sorc back to the character after each teleport.

Then the skills would probably be on a pretty similar level.
Actually, after having typed all that I kind of want to see these two skills get adjusted to be more similar; Cloak gets an increased Magicka cost when chain-cast, and BE gets all the broken negatives of Cloak.

ThisOnePosts

What you don't realize OP, is right now the cloak is BROKEN. I use both dark cloak on one char, shadowy on another.. and I will say it's broken. Also you can be seen going in and out of it (spamming it) w/ mage light. So LEARN 2 PLAY. I have a sorc that has 0 issues dealing with NBs because I understand how they function. As a NB, I have MANY issues dealing with getting all of my skills to work since the beginning of the game. If you "nerf" NB cloak, you'd need to nerf every single classes main abilities since that is a main ability for a NB. You don't want to go down that road. Stop crying and go play Viva Pinata you my little pony fan.

suelothvar

bugger stelth or invis, i'm far more concerned with people not in stelth out running me (im a vamp, nb in nights silence) and the guy I saw today happily walking through walls at a siege.

GRxKnight

If anything needs to be nerfed it's the night's silence set...If you're a vampire NB in the nights silence set with concealed weapon you can hunt down someone on a light horse at max speed.

Kewljag_66_ESO

Soloeus wrote: »

It is getting ridiculous. Nightblades are too powerful, being able to slip into invisibility without restriction upon any whim.

1. All actions (such as setting up a Siege Weapon) invoke a "timer." 5 seconds for a siege weapon. This leaves a person vulnerable while setting up siege weapons, and helps reduce the brainless tactic of oil pots everywhere.

2. When invisible is reused within 30 seconds of itself, it should cost 2x.


They start invisible, stealth up an oil pot, hit everyone with it, then right back to invisible again. Occasionally you will see a person "flicker" coming out of Invis long enough to attack and retreat.

Bolt Escape was nerfed, Bat Swarm was nerfed and now Nightblades need it. This is a fix.

There are many counters to this. The 2 BIG one are Mage Light which is available to everyone and detect potions which anyone can use. Invisible or sneak do not work you are 100% detected and vulnerable from these 2 things.

Invisible skill morph has 2 choices: crit or remove dots. 90% of NB go for crit so just hit them with a dot and they will come out of hidden over and over.

If youa re a NB you can mark the target and see them when they go hidden.

Also AOE damage will uncover hidden people.

So in all fairness there are alot of ways to counter this ability. And like others said this can also be done with an invisibilty potion which everyone can use.

Mjollo

GRxKnight wrote: »

If anything needs to be nerfed it's the night's silence set...If you're a vampire NB in the nights silence set with concealed weapon you can hunt down someone on a light horse at max speed.

pls no. don't start that here. go to the other topic for it.

jelliedsoup

To be an OK NB you need high magicka. The game is made that way. I also chose high stam, have 2400 health but shadowy disguise is my one saving grace from getting destroyed each fight. As a bow/dw7 med armour NB, it's the skill which can keep me alive sometimes.

Personally I like when another NB pulls it on me, I like to anticipate where they will go.

GRxKnight

Defialed wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

If anything needs to be nerfed it's the night's silence set...If you're a vampire NB in the nights silence set with concealed weapon you can hunt down someone on a light horse at max speed.

pls no. don't start that here. go to the other topic for it.

Oh I don't want to see it nerfed that's way too much fun and getting rage QQ tells after someone dies from this method and claims speed hacking is hilarious.

As to the 90% of NB'S taking disguise I think that percentage is a lot lower especially now with the hundings and night mother armor set buffs. It's not uncommon for a bow or dual wield NB having 60% + crit chance before taking into account enemy keep bonuses and mundus stone choice (I'm sitting around 80% for bow and dual wield with my haderus buffs). Because of this the dot removal is probably the better morph now for cloak (can't tell you how many times I've been hit with oil or a fire balista and lived because of cloak). Sure the guaranteed crit is nice but the extra defense imo is far better.

Atreyu

What I have noticed about cloack skill is that for it to work in PvP u have to buy a couple of seconds without being hit.
But it could be just an impression of mine.

From my experience and what have I seen in hours and hours of pvp is that bad NBs spam cloack in the middle of the fight and it breaks.
Good NBs roll dodge 2-3 times before trying to cloack as it buys them time of not being hit and it seems to minimize the chance of the cloack easily breaking and actually manage to vanish.

In my opinion vanishing WHENEVER u want is a bad mechanic, not only for NB but for all classes ( if they had such skill).
It has to be an hit or miss, not a 100% out of jail card like some here want.

GRxKnight

I can confirm that as a NB I do roll dodge a lot when my cover is blown to give myself distance or the magicka for my cloak to work. I'll generally do this if I fail to assassinate a target, whether it be because they're a dk who spams dragon's blood or their friends show up. I sort of have a reputation for being really good at sneaking away in those kinds of situations... aka playing the nightblade true to it's name.

Desdemonte

RoyMallis wrote: »

An agree for you , an agree for you, and you, and you... Agrees for everbody!

...except you OP, you get a lol...

+1 Awesome

OP you need a ROFLMFAO but alas, there is only a lol......

Merlin13KAGL

NookyZooky wrote: »

oh, and just to point it out. that "flickering" NB you saw, may have been trying to use their cloak, only for it to bug out.

@NookyZooky‌, to be fair, the flicker may also be them bugging out of existence because the game crashed again mid-action...

(Sigh.)

Kypho

Soloeus wrote: »

It is getting ridiculous. Nightblades are too powerful, being able to slip into invisibility without restriction upon any whim.

1. All actions (such as setting up a Siege Weapon) invoke a "timer." 5 seconds for a siege weapon. This leaves a person vulnerable while setting up siege weapons, and helps reduce the brainless tactic of oil pots everywhere.

2. When invisible is reused within 30 seconds of itself, it should cost 2x.


They start invisible, stealth up an oil pot, hit everyone with it, then right back to invisible again. Occasionally you will see a person "flicker" coming out of Invis long enough to attack and retreat.

Bolt Escape was nerfed, Bat Swarm was nerfed and now Nightblades need it. This is a fix.

1. its not NB problem. all can go stealth, put up a siege weapon. hit ctrl (default keybind) 5 sec timer, ok.
2. That would be cool, make cloak unbreakable, un cc able, break aggro (not sure about break agro) and much longer than 2.9 sec.

Occasionaly because its bugged. you can spit at NB and cloak breaks. even if NB spit, it will break (nb should not even fart or it will break the mighty cloak)

btw, sorry if you feel bad mr Vampire Sorcerer . To add something, as NB i rarely can escape with cloak, because of potions, because it breaks always, because its eating up magicka like hell.
If you use it mid fight, you will get out from it. exept if you are a vampire, so we are back to the old story, vamps need nerf, not NB. Sorry mr vamp but your own race need nerf.

And mr vampire sorcerer, we dont have fragments with insane crits (+cc) and has awesome proc chance, and an autoexecution lightning, what doesnt need any brain, and bolt escape... where you go away 1km. So sorcs are still better than NB overall.
where NB need cloak for the small amount skills to CC.... CC doesnt work without the awesomely bugged cloak.

Another note: cure vampirism, and see how bad you will be. so you cant say its not OP, and you complain about the worst bugged ability. LoL

Kewljag_66_ESO

jelliedsoup wrote: »

To be an OK NB you need high magicka. The game is made that way. I also chose high stam, have 2400 health but shadowy disguise is my one saving grace from getting destroyed each fight. As a bow/dw7 med armour NB, it's the skill which can keep me alive sometimes.

Personally I like when another NB pulls it on me, I like to anticipate where they will go.

I use to think that but with the cap changes i went full stamina. With food i am 2410 stamina, 2850 health, and 1603 magika. I am the same as you med armor, Bow /DW.

My combat style is different as i am mainly offensive bow but i do insane bow damage. When someone jumps on me i go in defensive DW. Med armor dodge skill 22%, Blur 15% miss chance, and Dark Shades Debuff the attacker by 15%. Strife still heals me decently. I will block for the first 6 seconds while tossing all this up and the attacker dumps all their resources on me. I am usually never below 80% life. Then I unleash the Flurrys and it does alot of damage with my high stamina and weapon skill.

My high stamina and stamina regen also alows me to do alot of blocking and flurry attacks without running out. 1600 magika is still enough to let me do 4 shadowy disguises and get away if i need to

NorthernFury

Well done, OP Not sure everyone got the point, though.

Evergnar

I say buff it. Have it stun every time like sorcerer's BE. Seriously nothing needs to be done with NB stealth abilities except fixing them to work consistently.

TheBull

I hope they fix it before they nerf it. My own Dots still break me out of stealth.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO

You are right. NB's are too strong.

drogon1

What they should nerf is oil pots (not NBs) - they are complete cheese in their current implementation. Oil pots should have a longer set up time for the amount of damage they do and the area they cover.

Sneaking in the open field and splashing a group with oil could never happen on a real battlefield. Oil should be reserved for chokepoints, which a longish setup time would ensure.

Evergnar

drogon1 wrote: »

What they should nerf is oil pots (not NBs) - they are complete cheese in their current implementation. Oil pots should have a longer set up time for the amount of damage they do and the area they cover.

Sneaking in the open field and splashing a group with oil could never happen on a real battlefield. Oil should be reserved for chokepoints, which a longish setup time would ensure.

Not to derail the thread but I agree with you. It's just a lame tactic/mechanic and ya, I use it all time too but just doesn't feel right. How does it not burn me when I pour it at my own feet?

butterfly442

aco5712 wrote: »

Its bugged like mentioned before but when it does work, a detect pot/magelight will break it straight up. Any DoT will pop you out aswell. L2P before you go calling for nerfs

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content and Language]

Its funny that you think magelight can detect an NBs invisibility.

nicholaspingasb16_ESO

But... But...

It's the only way I can kill VR12 people! (unless they have the chance to give themselves crazy armour buffs before I finish my combo. If that's the case, I pop my invisibility and duck behind a building to sneak away)

sagitter

i'd like to change it for dragon blood or sun shield, because it works for me 30% of times. Learn how to make it useless, because vs certain ppl it's only a waste of mana, expecially vs bolt escape sorc.