@Ifthir_ESO‌

there are some days when i feel that we are paying to partake in some sort of bizarre pvp mmo social experiment that measures the tolerance and breaking point of players to various negative game and player induced criteria

what i don't know is if those who left sooner are the smart ones, or those of us that are optimistic and stubborn and still hanging in will get the big reward

time will tell

D.

Not at all happy with this. This might be it for me also.

Dleatherus wrote: »

since the patch:






devs need to take a good look at this

name left in so they know who to contact since it might be an honest glitch, even though we've experienced 'creative' death recaps from this particular gentleman before

D.

So I take it from that screenshot your Knee hurts?

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

So I take it from that screenshot your Knee hurts?

knee? - oh yeah - that thing that used to be there below the stump that used to be my thigh

kijima wrote: »

Thank god ZOS finally gave the bow a needed buff.

/runs and hides

lol - i think this falls under their 'we don't want to make major adjustments to buffs and class/weapon balances, but rather tweak and then monitor how it effects the class/weapon'

D.

Dleatherus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

since the patch:






devs need to take a good look at this

name left in so they know who to contact since it might be an honest glitch, even though we've experienced 'creative' death recaps from this particular gentleman before

D.

Happened several times to me yesterday, sad to see its still a problem. No idea if its a bug or actually an exploit, but the two times it happened to me yesterday it was by the same person in completely different fights hours apart.... like I said it could be either, but man its getting ridiculous.

We're actively working on fixing what's causing this to happen. That said, if there's a player that you feel is exploiting the issue, please report them in-game and our Customer Support team will take a look and determine if any action is necessary. Thanks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

sadly some of these same individuals have been reported for several months and are still playing and utilizing whatever the next exploit of the week is

most of us don't even bother reporting them anymore since no statement is forthcoming from ZOS on these issues stating 'we are aware that if you enable 'x' and 'y' and 'z' in that order you will get insane damage - this is an unintended game mechanic that you may have activated accidentally - on first report you will be issued a warning, on a second report we will give a 3 day ban - subsequent offence will result in stronger action'

something along these lines:



we all understand the game is young and we're working as a community, players and devs, on having it reach it's awesome potential - it's not an excuse for a ToS and 'spirit of the game' policy not being enforced

we can barely keep ONE campaign locked at max pop - strongly suggest ZOS starts to take a stronger stance on these issues since when you take into account that many of us are now having to queue for up to an hour (typically much less) during peak times, log in looking forward to some fun - run into these jokers - get kicked from game due to a client crash, log back in and sometimes have to rejoin the queue

SAVE OUR PVP POPULATION!!!!

D.

You cannot compare this game to EvE online. In EvE, quite often real money is at stake in null sec PvP, the consequences of cheating are far greater in EvE online and hence the punishments need to be more severe.

*Edit* Since you can purchase a pilots license extension (PLEX) with real money and sell it for isk, and likewise use in-game generated ISK to purhase PLEX, many EvE players including myself can see a clear link of ISK with our wallets (real money so to say). There are also more severe ingame consequences when you are killed in EvE online. In eso when you die in PvP you don't even incur a repair cost. I believe if players are taking advantage of a bug and exploiting it, it should not be a bannable offense. They didn't create/implement the bug. But if players are actively hacking/altering the game in some way, then BAN EM!!!!!!

Dleatherus wrote: »

Persephonius wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

since the patch:






devs need to take a good look at this

name left in so they know who to contact since it might be an honest glitch, even though we've experienced 'creative' death recaps from this particular gentleman before

D.

Happened several times to me yesterday, sad to see its still a problem. No idea if its a bug or actually an exploit, but the two times it happened to me yesterday it was by the same person in completely different fights hours apart.... like I said it could be either, but man its getting ridiculous.

We're actively working on fixing what's causing this to happen. That said, if there's a player that you feel is exploiting the issue, please report them in-game and our Customer Support team will take a look and determine if any action is necessary. Thanks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

sadly some of these same individuals have been reported for several months and are still playing and utilizing whatever the next exploit of the week is

most of us don't even bother reporting them anymore since no statement is forthcoming from ZOS on these issues stating 'we are aware that if you enable 'x' and 'y' and 'z' in that order you will get insane damage - this is an unintended game mechanic that you may have activated accidentally - on first report you will be issued a warning, on a second report we will give a 3 day ban - subsequent offence will result in stronger action'

something along these lines:



we all understand the game is young and we're working as a community, players and devs, on having it reach it's awesome potential - it's not an excuse for a ToS and 'spirit of the game' policy not being enforced

we can barely keep ONE campaign locked at max pop - strongly suggest ZOS starts to take a stronger stance on these issues since when you take into account that many of us are now having to queue for up to an hour (typically much less) during peak times, log in looking forward to some fun - run into these jokers - get kicked from game due to a client crash, log back in and sometimes have to rejoin the queue

SAVE OUR PVP POPULATION!!!!

D.

You cannot compare this game to EvE online. In EvE, quite often real money is at stake in null sec PvP, the consequences of cheating are far greater in EvE online and hence the punishments need to be more severe.

i'd say that the thousands of folks that have unsubbed because of the exploiting and abusing of game mechanics at $15 each/mo, there was a lot of real money at stake here as well

i agree you can't compare games - look at EVE's NO BS policy - and that is in a game where it is legit to scam!

what you can do is look at the difference in tolerance between a game that allows scamming, and a game that proclaims to create a

Please understand that our goal is to create a fun, welcoming, and safe environment for The Elder Scrolls Online community

unfortunately many members get to the point of why bother anymore when there is little evidence of ZOS having any teeth to enforce their self-proclaimed goal

more than anything i'm frustrated and disappointed at seeing a dwindling population of players in what for me is the best PvP environment i have played in 17 years - imperial city is gonna suck if all that's left is 20 EP, 16 DC and 12 AD facing off against each other

D.

Yes this is true. But also, when the bugs are fixed, the exploition also stops. All I am saying is the exploiters shouldn't take the sole blame for their ability to exploit.

I would love sometime to understand how this happens every single patch without fail. We've seen the caltrops issue, the wayshrine at enemy gates, the silver bolts issue, and now this that is just hilariously broken, and we are supposed to willingly pay for this.

Ill never understand it and it will never be answered, forever to be a unsolved mystery.

Yet another bug exploit that will happen unpunished while they work on fixing it.

Dleatherus wrote: »

Persephonius wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

Persephonius wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

since the patch:






devs need to take a good look at this

name left in so they know who to contact since it might be an honest glitch, even though we've experienced 'creative' death recaps from this particular gentleman before

D.

Happened several times to me yesterday, sad to see its still a problem. No idea if its a bug or actually an exploit, but the two times it happened to me yesterday it was by the same person in completely different fights hours apart.... like I said it could be either, but man its getting ridiculous.

We're actively working on fixing what's causing this to happen. That said, if there's a player that you feel is exploiting the issue, please report them in-game and our Customer Support team will take a look and determine if any action is necessary. Thanks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

sadly some of these same individuals have been reported for several months and are still playing and utilizing whatever the next exploit of the week is

most of us don't even bother reporting them anymore since no statement is forthcoming from ZOS on these issues stating 'we are aware that if you enable 'x' and 'y' and 'z' in that order you will get insane damage - this is an unintended game mechanic that you may have activated accidentally - on first report you will be issued a warning, on a second report we will give a 3 day ban - subsequent offence will result in stronger action'

something along these lines:



we all understand the game is young and we're working as a community, players and devs, on having it reach it's awesome potential - it's not an excuse for a ToS and 'spirit of the game' policy not being enforced

we can barely keep ONE campaign locked at max pop - strongly suggest ZOS starts to take a stronger stance on these issues since when you take into account that many of us are now having to queue for up to an hour (typically much less) during peak times, log in looking forward to some fun - run into these jokers - get kicked from game due to a client crash, log back in and sometimes have to rejoin the queue

SAVE OUR PVP POPULATION!!!!

D.

You cannot compare this game to EvE online. In EvE, quite often real money is at stake in null sec PvP, the consequences of cheating are far greater in EvE online and hence the punishments need to be more severe.

i'd say that the thousands of folks that have unsubbed because of the exploiting and abusing of game mechanics at $15 each/mo, there was a lot of real money at stake here as well

i agree you can't compare games - look at EVE's NO BS policy - and that is in a game where it is legit to scam!

what you can do is look at the difference in tolerance between a game that allows scamming, and a game that proclaims to create a

Please understand that our goal is to create a fun, welcoming, and safe environment for The Elder Scrolls Online community

unfortunately many members get to the point of why bother anymore when there is little evidence of ZOS having any teeth to enforce their self-proclaimed goal

more than anything i'm frustrated and disappointed at seeing a dwindling population of players in what for me is the best PvP environment i have played in 17 years - imperial city is gonna suck if all that's left is 20 EP, 16 DC and 12 AD facing off against each other

D.

Yes this is true. But also, when the bugs are fixed, the exploition also stops. All I am saying is the exploiters shouldn't take the sole blame for their ability to exploit.

yes they should - it's called being held responsible and accountable for one's own actions

Persephonius wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

Persephonius wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

since the patch:






devs need to take a good look at this

name left in so they know who to contact since it might be an honest glitch, even though we've experienced 'creative' death recaps from this particular gentleman before

D.

Happened several times to me yesterday, sad to see its still a problem. No idea if its a bug or actually an exploit, but the two times it happened to me yesterday it was by the same person in completely different fights hours apart.... like I said it could be either, but man its getting ridiculous.

We're actively working on fixing what's causing this to happen. That said, if there's a player that you feel is exploiting the issue, please report them in-game and our Customer Support team will take a look and determine if any action is necessary. Thanks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

sadly some of these same individuals have been reported for several months and are still playing and utilizing whatever the next exploit of the week is

most of us don't even bother reporting them anymore since no statement is forthcoming from ZOS on these issues stating 'we are aware that if you enable 'x' and 'y' and 'z' in that order you will get insane damage - this is an unintended game mechanic that you may have activated accidentally - on first report you will be issued a warning, on a second report we will give a 3 day ban - subsequent offence will result in stronger action'

something along these lines:



we all understand the game is young and we're working as a community, players and devs, on having it reach it's awesome potential - it's not an excuse for a ToS and 'spirit of the game' policy not being enforced

we can barely keep ONE campaign locked at max pop - strongly suggest ZOS starts to take a stronger stance on these issues since when you take into account that many of us are now having to queue for up to an hour (typically much less) during peak times, log in looking forward to some fun - run into these jokers - get kicked from game due to a client crash, log back in and sometimes have to rejoin the queue

SAVE OUR PVP POPULATION!!!!

D.

You cannot compare this game to EvE online. In EvE, quite often real money is at stake in null sec PvP, the consequences of cheating are far greater in EvE online and hence the punishments need to be more severe.

i'd say that the thousands of folks that have unsubbed because of the exploiting and abusing of game mechanics at $15 each/mo, there was a lot of real money at stake here as well

i agree you can't compare games - look at EVE's NO BS policy - and that is in a game where it is legit to scam!

what you can do is look at the difference in tolerance between a game that allows scamming, and a game that proclaims to create a

Please understand that our goal is to create a fun, welcoming, and safe environment for The Elder Scrolls Online community

unfortunately many members get to the point of why bother anymore when there is little evidence of ZOS having any teeth to enforce their self-proclaimed goal

more than anything i'm frustrated and disappointed at seeing a dwindling population of players in what for me is the best PvP environment i have played in 17 years - imperial city is gonna suck if all that's left is 20 EP, 16 DC and 12 AD facing off against each other

D.

Yes this is true. But also, when the bugs are fixed, the exploition also stops. All I am saying is the exploiters shouldn't take the sole blame for their ability to exploit.

actually yes they should

it's called being held accountable and responsible for ones own actions

somebody falls through a hole in the map and starts poking around and exploring - is that an exploit - nope

somebody uses that same hole to walk around the 'outside' of cyrodiil and set up camps in safe zones to grief players etc - yes - that's an exploit

anywhere else in society cheats are punished

in school - cheat on a test - get caught - suffer the consequences - discourages a lot of cheaters

in sports - take steroids - fix a game - get caught - suffer the consequences - discourages cheaters

in r/l - steal - get caught - suffer the consequences - discourages a lot of would-be thieves

in mmo's - cheat/exploit - get caught - get banned - discourages a lot of exploiters

ESO - cheat/exploit - get caught - laugh about it - say you were helping develop the game, move onto next exploit - encourages a lot of exploiters

D.

Some of these analogies are not so clear cut. Lets look at cheating on a test. Two scenarios. 1) If the rules state that you cannot bring your own notes to the test, and you bring notes, you have broken the rules and you should be punished. 2) lets say the demonstrator left an example of a problem on the white board/blackboard with an equation/derivation that is required in the test and forgot to remove it before beginning the test. If you look at the board and see what is written, you are exploiting the demonstrators mistake. I find most usually that what is considered exploitations is more like scenario 2. When a bug occurs ingame that is related to the skill set that you use, it is sometimes just there staring you in the face, and to avoid it you would have to stop using that ability, (choose not to look at the board with the answer). It is not the players fault that the developer left the answer on the white board so to speak, and so giving out bans, failing the test is not a clear cut consequence that should be administered.

Also, in real life you cheat and get punished, in MMO's you cheat and get punished, but in MMO's this is usually roleplay where all the interactions happen in-game. For example, stealing is not a great analogy, player driven justice systems in MMO's are built around it.

kijima wrote: »

I did read the thread in it's entirety, but it's your last few comments that seemed a little stronger.

I have no time for exploiters either, I just think that for 'some' and I'm not including you, talking about bans need to be done carefully and with consideration of the facts at hand. There are plenty of people that might read this thread and get the idea that anyone that might be experiencing a bug should get banned for exploiting when that isn't the case.

Granted, it wouldn't matter much at the moment as ZOS doesn't seem to be serious about exploiters anyway, just look at the issues with people getting into safe areas and the like.

I just think 'we' as the player base need to be careful of not getting onto the 'ban'wagon is all. I guess I'm playing devils advocate here, but hopefully you get my drift.

Yes this is what I am trying to say. And I didn't mean I was an exploiter by the way

*edit* sorry my mistake. I misread, you didn't claim anyone to be an exploiter.

Columba wrote: »

I shot one lethal arrow for 3849 the other night and promptly reported this as a bug. Most of my other lethal arrows are under 1000, none other over 1250, and I have make bow skills and DMG. I don't believe that these other folks consistently shooting that high are doing so by accident. They found an exploit and are cheating IMHO.

Yes it seems like it. Each image, the lethal arrow is preceded by a fire based attack. Someone else mention about a bug with scalding rune......

It's nothing new.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vH55uvqlVIU

Columba wrote: »

I shot one lethal arrow for 3849 the other night and promptly reported this as a bug. Most of my other lethal arrows are under 1000, none other over 1250, and I have make bow skills and DMG. I don't believe that these other folks consistently shooting that high are doing so by accident. They found an exploit and are cheating IMHO.

I have a slightly off-topic question. Are we required to use some addon that shows damage numbers? Because I don't use any, don't fight solo (usually), and have sloppy fps in battle - so I have no idea how much health an enemy has (in numbers), how much they lost and for how much I'm hitting them. I kind of hope this only affects bows, which I don't use.