Why can't I kill cats?

Araflin · August 2014

@jelliedsoup and no felines! I rest my case

jelliedsoup · August 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Anyone who's had kids and cat or dog should know there is no similarity.

Well they eat, defacate, make a lot of noise, and demand your attention.

That's similarity enough for me.

Not denying that, but still no similarity. Your kids are part of you, I would die for my children, not for my dog.

Heishi · August 2014

Araflin wrote: »

There's many slinkin' about in towns and just outside. Lizards, chickens, pygmy guar, monkeys, and frogs all take an arrow to the knee (and until recently even dropped guts so I can fish in lakes!)

I don't particularly like cats IRL, but I am not cruel to them. Would be nice to shoot a few in game though.

I am sure some 'Cat lovers' (read: delusional people who have fallen for their evil charms) will disagree but studies have shown that when you die they will eat your face. (Dogs may just pine for the loss of their master for a few days before eating your face). It's all good.

Let me shoot cats (not Khajiit, I am happy to keep that to npc's and Cyrodil).

Thanks in advance.

The small cats running around are still a variety of Khajiit. If you go through the AD missions, you even run into a few that tell you how the small cat is their sister. It depends on what moon sign they were born under. There are something like 12 types of Khajiit. The senche are Khajiits too

AlexDougherty · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Anyone who's had kids and cat or dog should know there is no similarity.

Well they eat, defacate, make a lot of noise, and demand your attention.

That's similarity enough for me.

Not denying that, but still no similarity. Your kids are part of you, I would die for my children, not for my dog.

Ah, but I know people who would die for their Dog, or their Cat.

In fact a number of people die every year in Britain trying to save their pets, last winter several people die trying to fish their dogs out of the water(floods or on the coast), they couldn't swim, and they knew they couldn't swim.

But I take your point.

jelliedsoup · August 2014

Araflin wrote: »

@jelliedsoup and no felines! I rest my case

Lol OK I would die for a cat if i had had one as a pet.

jelliedsoup · August 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Anyone who's had kids and cat or dog should know there is no similarity.

Well they eat, defacate, make a lot of noise, and demand your attention.

That's similarity enough for me.

Not denying that, but still no similarity. Your kids are part of you, I would die for my children, not for my dog.

Ah, but I know people who would die for their Dog, or their Cat.

But I take your point.

True, I see them as a little mad but each to their own, hence this conversation.

Badh0rse · August 2014

Araflin wrote: »

There's many slinkin' about in towns and just outside. Lizards, chickens, pygmy guar, monkeys, and frogs all take an arrow to the knee (and until recently even dropped guts so I can fish in lakes!)

I don't particularly like cats IRL, but I am not cruel to them. Would be nice to shoot a few in game though.

I am sure some 'Cat lovers' (read: delusional people who have fallen for their evil charms) will disagree but studies have shown that when you die they will eat your face. (Dogs may just pine for the loss of their master for a few days before eating your face). It's all good.

Let me shoot cats (not Khajiit, I am happy to keep that to npc's and Cyrodil).

Thanks in advance.

That's right a cat will eat a face but dogs eat their own crap ... any kind of poop really! I say give cats key to the city and let me shoot dogs! (dogs: mindless poop eating servants)

Araflin · August 2014

@jelliedsoup damn it! Now I have to fall back on reason and argument again and not just comedic oversight!

Raash · August 2014

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

I see what you are saying, but this really boils down to an emotional issue, and you can't apply straight logic to it. Yes, rabbits and rats CAN be pets, but they are more often food or pests in Western society. Dogs and cats are almost exclusively pets, and very beloved pets. I'm usually a very logical person, but am very close to my pets and find it emotionally distressing to see cats or dogs killed or tortured in movies. I understand that movies where that happens are usually dark and trying to illicit that response. I understand that, I'm not confusing real life with fantasy. I'm saying ZOS isn't going for a dark/horror feel where we see gore and beheadings and children and pets being killed.

You feel the same way watching this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLqIWg8KyCY

ESO is a digital cartoony game.

Edited: for faulty quote

Now you're just being obtuse for arguments sake. If you REALLY can't grasp what I'm saying, then I don't know what else to say.

I understand what you are saying, I just cant relate to it since to me ESO doesnt have anything to do with reality. I have killed other players in numeroues games, while been fortunate enough not to have seen it happen to anyone in real life and i would never ever want to see that. I find it both interesting and a bit wierd that people prefer killing other humanoids over animals in games.
If you find the movie clip being obtuse, ok im sorry you see it that way. I think the comparrison is striking and very well fit into this argumentation.

Ugh, okay, I'll bite. Other humanoids are hostile to you, just like Tom is hostile towards Jerry (the prey animal that gets the best of the cat that wants to eat him... in a comedic style that never results in Tom's death).

That's like saying a scene in a dark movie where someone is being graphically tortured is no different than the 3 Stooges. Context.

Cats in ESO are not hostile. They are just sitting there cleaning themselves.

Ok, but the rabbits and rats in the game doesnt do much of a fuss either except doing their thing running around?
Im sorry mate, but I dont find what you are saying making much sense in a game where there will be killable NPCs (justice system) that just is there doing nothing or why vampires get to feed off players/npcs either but where killing a cat or a dog is unthinkable, we can just agree to disagree on this I think

I think most people think of their cats and dogs more like children, so making them killable would fall more in line with making killable children in the game. I don't think I have to explain why that isn't a thing. And I agree that there is some gray area when drawing the line between killable and non-killable "critters." Make them all non-killable! I hate it when I accidentally ambush a rat leaving my actually enemy behind me winding up for an uppercut! LOL

No you dont need to explain. but i dont think that "most people" think like you do necessarilly.
Some people use animals as tools you see, and some get them purely for company spoiling them away and treating them like you say, like kids.
I dont see how any of the these two views on how animals should be handled is more right then the other. Even less do i understand why people would get upset by if a player in a game choose to put an end to this digital thing that runs around, you could pretend that if you get to witness such an act it was an act of mercy. the cat or dog was obviously sick and had to be put down?
I say bring in killable cat and dogs and enrich the crafting!

Raash · August 2014

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isengrimb16_ESO · August 2014

Araflin wrote: »

Also, Ted Nugent was one of the reasons I started bow hunting. I had a long conversation with him and Bruce Dickinson on the whys and wherefores of hunting. There was JD involved.

Ever hear him when he did his own morning show on 107.2 Bear FM out of Detroit? What a jerkface. He was even worse than that Bonnaducci jerk from the Partridge Family, and he stunk, too.

Detroit 107 used to be an awesome new wave station in the early 80s, until they played an uncensored version of The Rodeo Song and got shut down, to the protests of green-haired punkers in 1984.
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jelliedsoup · August 2014

Araflin wrote: »

@jelliedsoup damn it! Now I have to fall back on reason and argument again and not just comedic oversight!

In truth, I had a cat but it ran away. Must have been naked Fridays.

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

One does not simply kill a cat on the internet.

AlexDougherty · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Araflin wrote: »

@jelliedsoup damn it! Now I have to fall back on reason and argument again and not just comedic oversight!

In truth, I had a cat but it ran away. Must have been naked Fridays.

Yeah, Cats like to wear a fur coat on Fridays.

jelliedsoup · August 2014

Ive never

Badh0rse wrote: »

Araflin wrote: »

There's many slinkin' about in towns and just outside. Lizards, chickens, pygmy guar, monkeys, and frogs all take an arrow to the knee (and until recently even dropped guts so I can fish in lakes!)

I don't particularly like cats IRL, but I am not cruel to them. Would be nice to shoot a few in game though.

I am sure some 'Cat lovers' (read: delusional people who have fallen for their evil charms) will disagree but studies have shown that when you die they will eat your face. (Dogs may just pine for the loss of their master for a few days before eating your face). It's all good.

Let me shoot cats (not Khajiit, I am happy to keep that to npc's and Cyrodil).

Thanks in advance.

That's right a cat will eat a face but dogs eat their own crap ... any kind of poop really! I say give cats key to the city and let me shoot dogs! (dogs: mindless poop eating servants)

Ive never had a dog eat ***, sniff it roll in it yes, but never eat it.

aipex8_ESO · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Ive never

Badh0rse wrote: »

Araflin wrote: »

There's many slinkin' about in towns and just outside. Lizards, chickens, pygmy guar, monkeys, and frogs all take an arrow to the knee (and until recently even dropped guts so I can fish in lakes!)

I don't particularly like cats IRL, but I am not cruel to them. Would be nice to shoot a few in game though.

I am sure some 'Cat lovers' (read: delusional people who have fallen for their evil charms) will disagree but studies have shown that when you die they will eat your face. (Dogs may just pine for the loss of their master for a few days before eating your face). It's all good.

Let me shoot cats (not Khajiit, I am happy to keep that to npc's and Cyrodil).

Thanks in advance.

That's right a cat will eat a face but dogs eat their own crap ... any kind of poop really! I say give cats key to the city and let me shoot dogs! (dogs: mindless poop eating servants)

Ive never had a dog eat ***, sniff it roll in it yes, but never eat it.

And I've never had a cat eat my face... lick it lovingly with a sandpapery tongue, yes, but never eat it!

cyclonus11 · August 2014

Only if I can kill dogs, too.

"studies have shown that when you die they will eat your face"

This isn't any more or less true than for dogs. Cite your sources.

aipex8_ESO · August 2014

jelliedsoup wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Anyone who's had kids and cat or dog should know there is no similarity.

Well they eat, defacate, make a lot of noise, and demand your attention.

That's similarity enough for me.

Not denying that, but still no similarity. Your kids are part of you, I would die for my children, not for my dog.

I have 4 cats, the youngest was "unplanned," and the victim of cruelty when someone threw him and his siblings from a car on a busy freeway (on an overpass, to drop all the way to the street below). His siblings did fall to their deaths, but he luckily landed on the small island of brush between the freeway and onramp, where he sat for probably 2 days (due to the scabbing of his injuries) before I heard his cries over the speeding cars. I risked my safety dodging those cars to save him. He was only 8 weeks old at the time. He's 2 now and I'm thankful every day for him. And I would most certainly risk my life for him again.

Araflin · August 2014

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Only if I can kill dogs, too.

"studies have shown that when you die they will eat your face"

This isn't any more or less true than for dogs. Cite your sources.

http://dogcare.dailypuppy.com/dogs-loyal-5718.html

http://news.psu.edu/story/141220/2005/07/05/research/probing-question-does-my-dog-really-love-me

https://www.idexx.com/pdf/en_us/smallanimal/education/bn-research-pet-owner-bond.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/07/cats-facts-jerks_n_4520552.html

Just 5 minutes googling. The last one is particularly prominent.

oh and...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/science/that-cuddly-kitty-of-yours-is-a-killer.html?_r=0

and...
http://www.cracked.com/article/226_6-adorable-cat-behaviors-with-shockingly-evil-explanations/

and...
http://news.moviefone.com/2009/11/19/science-proves-cats-are-evil/

and..
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32178794/ns/health-pet_health/t/putty-their-paws-why-we-do-what-cats-want/#.U-atP9gcTxM

Araflin · August 2014

Also...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2094157/Why-dog-really-DOES-love-just-treats-it.html
(much as I hate to quote the Daily mail)

Requiemslove · August 2014

Fully against cats being killable in ESO, house cats mind. Big cats...um, cant you already kill big cats? Pretty sure ESO has big cats who attack you, and have 4 appendages and tails, and look like lions

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

I would die for my animals and smile doing it. I also once jumped in front of a speeding car to save a tortoise. I don't know if I'd do that again, I was young and invincible feeling.

It's questionable whether I would die to save a child, and probably not a baby.

Taz · August 2014

If I was dead in my house and my cat was hungry, I'd want him to eat me. I wouldn't want someone I loved to hurt themselves just out of some misplaced sanctity of my corpse.

I don't want killable cats and dogs. There's really no point in it besides suggesting it to get a rise out of people; I think it's safe to say most players would prefer that Zenimax focused on giving us cat and dog pets, not making the NPC dogs and cats killable.

Araflin · August 2014

I just want equal killable rights for all critters. I see inequality and I have a need to correct it without trying to anthropomorphise the animal just because they are popular pets.
I also found your speculation at my motivation insulting @Taz.

Royalroacho · August 2014

Checking this post out again after half a day. a little suprised suprised at the wierd racist and pedo-cannibalism posts. But hey, its a party.
All this talk of eating pets and children made me realize something, though. People will pay like 50 for a lobster dinner, but try to sell them on eating insects, and you're a 3rd world heretic.
Actually, i remembered killing cats in wow. I love my cat. I wouldnt condone animal abuse outside of a virtual setting. But to you guys poo pooing this idea, it was suprisingly guilt free. And the *WHUMP*"MEOW!!" Sound effect was very catchy and memorable.

*Edit-thinking about it further, its strange that the cat killing option brings out the sentimentality in people. By real life standards, we'd all be mass murderers with body counts in the thousands

demonlkojipub19_ESO · August 2014

Kypho wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

DaedricCheese wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

DaedricCheese wrote: »

My cat is on my lap right now.

...i mean, i don't think he would like to see me killing his brethren

You dont havto slay cats, but why not let us who want to? Sounds a bit selfish?

Oh wait you're serious aren't you?

Well, maybe they should be killable with the Justice System update (and may as well make the bounty for killing each 9999999g).

Ofc im serious, there is very little difference between a cat and a mudcrab really.I dont see why cat & dogs couldnt be part of cooking & alchemy recepies etc. Would make sense really.

LOL funny. Cat and Dog ... if you dont see a difference between them and a mudcrab, then you are Asian or need to see a doctor. In ES Cat and Dog arent there for food. Mudcrab yes.... And well. they have owners, so you should get killed before they get lower than 2 pts health.
I would like if they would allow me to kill you and eat your liver, because why not? you arent much different than a pig, or horse, or any other animal. Its true, just open yourself and see.
New potion from you is to turn into zombie for 30 min maybe? that would be fun.

Sir, thats racist.

Raash · August 2014

Royalroacho wrote: »

Checking this post out again after half a day. a little suprised suprised at the wierd racist and pedo-cannibalism posts. But hey, its a party.
All this talk of eating pets and children made me realize something, though. People will pay like 50 for a lobster dinner, but try to sell them on eating insects, and you're a 3rd world heretic.
Actually, i remembered killing cats in wow. I love my cat. I wouldnt condone animal abuse outside of a virtual setting. But to you guys poo pooing this idea, it was suprisingly guilt free. And the *WHUMP*"MEOW!!" Sound effect was very catchy and memorable.

*Edit-thinking about it further, its strange that the cat killing option brings out the sentimentality in people. By real life standards, we'd all be mass murderers with body counts in the thousands

yeah, pretty interesting people cant distinguish between what is a real living animal pet and a digital code in a game. Seems unhealthy to have such an emotional attachment to pixels in a game I would say.

isengrimb16_ESO · August 2014

Raash wrote: »

Royalroacho wrote: »

Checking this post out again after half a day. a little suprised suprised at the wierd racist and pedo-cannibalism posts. But hey, its a party.
All this talk of eating pets and children made me realize something, though. People will pay like 50 for a lobster dinner, but try to sell them on eating insects, and you're a 3rd world heretic.
Actually, i remembered killing cats in wow. I love my cat. I wouldnt condone animal abuse outside of a virtual setting. But to you guys poo pooing this idea, it was suprisingly guilt free. And the *WHUMP*"MEOW!!" Sound effect was very catchy and memorable.

*Edit-thinking about it further, its strange that the cat killing option brings out the sentimentality in people. By real life standards, we'd all be mass murderers with body counts in the thousands

yeah, pretty interesting people cant distinguish between what is a real living animal pet and a digital code in a game. Seems unhealthy to have such an emotional attachment to pixels in a game I would say.

Well, there'd be a fuss over killable children, wouldn't there be? What would be the difference?

Raash · August 2014

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Royalroacho wrote: »

Checking this post out again after half a day. a little suprised suprised at the wierd racist and pedo-cannibalism posts. But hey, its a party.
All this talk of eating pets and children made me realize something, though. People will pay like 50 for a lobster dinner, but try to sell them on eating insects, and you're a 3rd world heretic.
Actually, i remembered killing cats in wow. I love my cat. I wouldnt condone animal abuse outside of a virtual setting. But to you guys poo pooing this idea, it was suprisingly guilt free. And the *WHUMP*"MEOW!!" Sound effect was very catchy and memorable.

*Edit-thinking about it further, its strange that the cat killing option brings out the sentimentality in people. By real life standards, we'd all be mass murderers with body counts in the thousands

yeah, pretty interesting people cant distinguish between what is a real living animal pet and a digital code in a game. Seems unhealthy to have such an emotional attachment to pixels in a game I would say.

Well, there'd be a fuss over killable children, wouldn't there be? What would be the difference?

I wouldnt mind if they added that either, just I am not asking for that feature and wouldnt be even slightly interested in it. But i dont oppose it.

isengrimb16_ESO · August 2014

Raash wrote: »

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Royalroacho wrote: »

Checking this post out again after half a day. a little suprised suprised at the wierd racist and pedo-cannibalism posts. But hey, its a party.
All this talk of eating pets and children made me realize something, though. People will pay like 50 for a lobster dinner, but try to sell them on eating insects, and you're a 3rd world heretic.
Actually, i remembered killing cats in wow. I love my cat. I wouldnt condone animal abuse outside of a virtual setting. But to you guys poo pooing this idea, it was suprisingly guilt free. And the *WHUMP*"MEOW!!" Sound effect was very catchy and memorable.

*Edit-thinking about it further, its strange that the cat killing option brings out the sentimentality in people. By real life standards, we'd all be mass murderers with body counts in the thousands

yeah, pretty interesting people cant distinguish between what is a real living animal pet and a digital code in a game. Seems unhealthy to have such an emotional attachment to pixels in a game I would say.

Well, there'd be a fuss over killable children, wouldn't there be? What would be the difference?

I wouldnt mind if they added that either, just I am not asking for that feature and wouldnt be even slightly interested in it. But i dont oppose it.

Yeah, but the reaction would be about the same, or worse, and might even get the entire game banned in some weirdo countries if killable children were added. Which, as you point out, doesn't make sense because they're pixels. Weirdo countries includes my own - it's still on the books that crime comics are illegal here, you know. It is against federal law to depict crimes in progress, real or fictional. Cops just turn a blind eye to Batman's shenanigans; I think the RCMP have better things to worry about than him.

There used to be a show called "The Border", about Canadian Border Services (it was less boring than it sounds, actually, and I'm no fan of my own country's TV fare.) One episode featured a self-controlled *** (can't believe this word is censored; it's a bad person who interferes with children.) - oh, he had been arrested all right, but all his pictures of kids were not real; they were just digital images he had made up for his own pleasure, and he even said that he had no intention of harming real kids, and wanted nothing to do with real porno. That sort of thing DOES fall into a legal grey area here (and as the story went, they needed this guy to track down a really dangerous sicko.) I think that show presented a very good point - while I think the guy was a sicko, he wasn't actually harming anyone or anything, so I can't really say that anything ought to be done against him.

The harming of RL children and animals needs punishment, yes; but I don't agree that video games _encourage_ this stuff - in fact, it's healthy to have a fantastical outlet for certain bad things that doesn't hurt anyone. In Skyrim, I made an active thing of deer hunting for large antlers, though I'd never do it in real life (don't like venison anyway - and I have all kinds of access to domestically-raised beef, I don't need wild meat.) Yes, it is gratifying to boot the snottier kids in Skyrim with mods. You can't do anything to a kid who snots off at you IRL - better to get your revenge/satisfaction through a video game than actually kicking a real kid in the behind (no matter how much the kid might need it.)

However, I can understand that cats and dogs are protected in ESO, just as kids are protected by default in Skyrim. Why open cans of worms that don't need to be opened? And in this Brave New Orwellian PC World, well, you're best off erring on the side of caution if you care about the skin on your butt.