Apology and request for patience

Badh0rse · August 2014

I hate it when people trash people for not playing well. Usually not playing well to them means that you didn't conform and use the build that every other schmuck does. Play the way you like and ignore the wannabe elitists. This is why my guild has only one rule: NO D-Bags!
I do however get snarky in the face of blatant stupidity .. so I am guilty of being a hater sometimes too.... but I keep it in the forums!

edit: To all those so shocked old people play games: Did you think a bunch of kids design the games you play? No it is older people .... you know the guys who invented video games!

Raash · August 2014

kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Im so sorry, but I have a hard time believing that so many, especially here on this forum, are really 50+ years old. Most likely BS =/

I never said I was 50, I am 43 in september though since I have three teenagers I sometimes feel much older.

And who are you to call BS? You don't want to be helpful then go find another thread to poop in.

Seems I step on a soar toe here? Did i adress anything towards you? Yeah im sorry I fell over this... "hug party" of very old men and women(?!), but ok i can tag along.
Im 89 years old and are not good at games aswell. And oh dont mind that I use more slang then my grandgrand son. btw why cant my char use a walking cane?

Ayadori · August 2014

As an alpha male in his 30's I echo many sentiments posted in this thread. First off I refuse to play certain cookie-cutter builds, which are ridiculous from either real-life or RP point of view. That's why I play my Dragon knight (note the word "knight" in the class name) as a true warrior, not as some kind of a milk-drinking cross-dresser with a stick. If this halves my DPS output, so be it. That said - I don't expect to be carried and fully acknowledge that at least in this MMO the end-game will probably be out of my reach.

Second off I am quite often that guy standing in the dark waiting for the cavalry to arrive to take down a boss instead of actively asking for help in different chat channels. Maybe this has something to do with a fact, that I try to avoid bugging people for help in real life as well. Sometimes I have waited close to an hour for an unknown fellow adventurer to lend a hand

Third off - all gamers 60+ I salute you!

Badh0rse · August 2014

Raash wrote: »

kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Im so sorry, but I have a hard time believing that so many, especially here on this forum, are really 50+ years old. Most likely BS =/

I never said I was 50, I am 43 in september though since I have three teenagers I sometimes feel much older.

And who are you to call BS? You don't want to be helpful then go find another thread to poop in.

Seems I step on a soar toe here? Did i adress anything towards you? Yeah im sorry I fell over this... "hug party" of very old men and women(?!), but ok i can tag along.
Im 89 years old and are not good at games aswell. And oh dont mind that I use more slang then my grandgrand son. btw why cant my char use a walking cane?

Wow .... just wow. Your terrible attitude and lack of respect will get you far in life ... go get em tiger!

kassandratheclericb14_ESO · August 2014

Someone can be competitive and "hard core" and still have manners. These things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Armitas · August 2014

That guy will join a group of like minded people and get to experience the company of people like himself. You win.

Raash · August 2014

Badh0rse wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Im so sorry, but I have a hard time believing that so many, especially here on this forum, are really 50+ years old. Most likely BS =/

I never said I was 50, I am 43 in september though since I have three teenagers I sometimes feel much older.

And who are you to call BS? You don't want to be helpful then go find another thread to poop in.

Seems I step on a soar toe here? Did i adress anything towards you? Yeah im sorry I fell over this... "hug party" of very old men and women(?!), but ok i can tag along.
Im 89 years old and are not good at games aswell. And oh dont mind that I use more slang then my grandgrand son. btw why cant my char use a walking cane?

Wow .... just wow. Your terrible attitude and lack of respect will get you far in life ... go get em tiger!

Attitude? I questioned that so many are that old and get told to [snip] off? thats great attitude you think? I think peeps shouldnt turn up the volume if they cant stand loud noises.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

laurajf · August 2014

kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »

YAY! I am so glad that we are not alone. I play at least one of every class on NA. Feel free to say hi and maybe we can go stomp and die on a few things. lol

I plan to make some on EU when I can so wherever you are (and any other like minded folk) well..there you are? ha ha

I also am going to do some RP soon so if anyone is up for that too.

*grin*

Good idea. Getting a few like-minded, nonjudgmental people together is always a good thing. Funny how the potential that many of the people we see in the game may be similar to us but we don't know know it. We all exist in our little solo worlds because our particular personalities aren't the type to shout out to the world that we're looking for others like us (in my case, I tend to assume "most" people in MMOs aren't like me).

As far as RP, I love hearing people do it but I admit, I'm not one to do it myself. I'm just bad at it. LOL

Malpherian · August 2014

Raash wrote: »

Im so sorry, but I have a hard time believing that so many, especially here on this forum, are really 50+ years old. Most likely BS =/

You'd be surprised, most of us true TES fans are easily over 30. Inf act most of the TES modders for Oblivion and Skyrim are over 40. TES is a game made for adults. And although they have quite a number of younger players, the hardcore fan populace is well aged.

Malpherian · August 2014

Ayadori wrote: »

As an alpha male in his 30's I echo many sentiments posted in this thread. First off I refuse to play certain cookie-cutter builds, which are ridiculous from either real-life or RP point of view. That's why I play my Dragon knight (note the word "knight" in the class name) as a true warrior, not as some kind of a milk-drinking cross-dresser with a stick. If this halves my DPS output, so be it. That said - I don't expect to be carried and fully acknowledge that at least in this MMO the end-game will probably be out of my reach.

Second off I am quite often that guy standing in the dark waiting for the cavalry to arrive to take down a boss instead of actively asking for help in different chat channels. Maybe this has something to do with a fact, that I try to avoid bugging people for help in real life as well. Sometimes I have waited close to an hour for an unknown fellow adventurer to lend a hand

Third off - all gamers 60+ I salute you!

Me and you are pretty much the same, I play a traditional assassin nightblade. Or I use it as a warlock type character, I refuse to use cookie cutter specs, and even though I wear a combo of light/medium armor (which I think is reasonable for the class RP) I refuse to minmax. I take skills I like and look cool, and do what I need them to do.

I often find myself at the *** end of the DPS meter but I like my builds, and why play a character if you don't enjoy it even if it does a ton of damage?

As far as waiting yea same here, I have on occasion ask if people were interested in doing a boss, but I don;t actually ask for help, I usually start the group for it or whatever if I do at all, other times I'll just sit at a Dolman and wait while I do some touch ups on some of my skyrim Mods.

laurajf · August 2014

Malpherian wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Im so sorry, but I have a hard time believing that so many, especially here on this forum, are really 50+ years old. Most likely BS =/

You'd be surprised, most of us true TES fans are easily over 30. Inf act most of the TES modders for Oblivion and Skyrim are over 40. TES is a game made for adults. And although they have quite a number of younger players, the hardcore fan populace is well aged.

This is true and considering how long many games have been around, including MMOs, gamers who started when they were "young" are still playing all these years later. Age doesn't mean anything. If you enjoy something and have the finances and time, you do it regardless of your age.

Raash · August 2014

Malpherian wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Im so sorry, but I have a hard time believing that so many, especially here on this forum, are really 50+ years old. Most likely BS =/

You'd be surprised, most of us true TES fans are easily over 30. Inf act most of the TES modders for Oblivion and Skyrim are over 40. TES is a game made for adults. And although they have quite a number of younger players, the hardcore fan populace is well aged.

I dont doubt that really many are between the 30-40´s really, but so much people 50+ and way more? I find that highly unlikely. In game I have met 6 ppl claiming they are between 59 -72 years old, and i dont buy it. perhaps someone has been that old, thats not impossible. but all, and that so many of the "minor" population that is claimed to find this forum and further more use it? No. i stay doubtful to that.

Rune_Relic · August 2014

Malpherian wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Im so sorry, but I have a hard time believing that so many, especially here on this forum, are really 50+ years old. Most likely BS =/

You'd be surprised, most of us true TES fans are easily over 30. Inf act most of the TES modders for Oblivion and Skyrim are over 40. TES is a game made for adults. And although they have quite a number of younger players, the hardcore fan populace is well aged.

Agreed.. 45 myself. Sounds like a few people are surprised at the age range of ESO.

Solistis · August 2014

Raash = TROLL go back under your bridge youngster.

laurajf · August 2014

Raash wrote: »

I dont doubt that really many are between the 30-40´s really, but so much people 50+ and way more? I find that highly unlikely. In game I have met 6 ppl claiming they are between 59 -72 years old, and i dont buy it. perhaps someone has been that old, thats not impossible. but all, and that so many of the "minor" population that is claimed to find this forum and further more use it? No. i stay doubtful to that.

Just curious, what do you think people are getting out of "lying" on a gaming forum about their ages to make them seem older? Besides a teenager lying about being older to be able to drink or smoke, I just don't see what the benefit would be to these folks on this forum. I'm not trying to bash you or anything, I'm just genuinely curious as to why it's so unbelievable to you.

Nestor · August 2014

Raash wrote: »

but so much people 50+ and way more? I find that highly unlikely. In game I have met 6 ppl claiming they are between 59 -72 years old, and i dont buy it.

I am 50, my parents are 72 and 74 and have played every TES game on a console, and the Fallouts. My moms game library would make any gamer salivate (as long as they are not a shooter gamer). Both my parents will be playing this on the console when it comes out. I work with 3 people who are in their late 40's early 50's who play this game and others.

Video games came out when we were kids, we started this in the 1970's with Pong, then with Atari, then in the 80s with NES, then Sega, then SNES etc etc. What age did you think we would be today? If someone has invented the Anti-Aging while Gaming machine, they did not tell me about it.

You young whippersnapper gamers have a lot to be thankful for with us old geezers. If we had not bought and supported the video games in the 70's and 80's, there would not be a video game market today, at least not like it is now.

Raash · August 2014

laurajf wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

I dont doubt that really many are between the 30-40´s really, but so much people 50+ and way more? I find that highly unlikely. In game I have met 6 ppl claiming they are between 59 -72 years old, and i dont buy it. perhaps someone has been that old, thats not impossible. but all, and that so many of the "minor" population that is claimed to find this forum and further more use it? No. i stay doubtful to that.

Just curious, what do you think people are getting out of "lying" on a gaming forum about their ages to make them seem older? Besides a teenager lying about being older to be able to drink or smoke, I just don't see what the benefit would be to these folks on this forum. I'm not trying to bash you or anything, I'm just genuinely curious as to why it's so unbelievable to you.

Yeah that is what I wonder aswell, perhaps as a way to add weight to their words or something? As i said before, I can believe that that there are players that are that old, just not the numbers of them presented on here. its highly improbable.

Raash · August 2014

Solistis wrote: »

Raash = TROLL go back under your bridge youngster.

Yeah I confess, I am somewhat of a troll at times I guess. come join me under my bridge mate, they all float down here

WebBull · August 2014

I am 50, have all my reflexes as well as 35 years of gaming knowledge, and would thrash Raash in gaming. At that point Raash, due to the shear embarrassment of losing to an old guy, you would have no option but to off thy self.

wandering.mind_ESO · August 2014

*nods to Greywolf46*

I hear ya my fellow geriatric. This game in particular is formidable for those of us who are dexterity challenged. Between brain lag and joint challenges the games requiring more than left hand keying and right hand mousing movement can be frustrating. Oh heck, who am I kidding...downright funny at times.

Fortunately, through years of dealing with the rare fool who identifies success with pixel elitism I've found that thankfully there are fewer of them than the good folks who say "Wow you're a 64 year old woman? Wish my grandmother was as cool as you."

Sadly, some folks aren't willing to share friendship and I've learned that the loss should be placed in their basket not my own. Long live the dinosaurs of the mmo-rpg world who were questing while most were still in diapers. My we hunt long and die seldom.

@‌ Hetaerae
Gossamere lvl 34
AD Alliance

laurajf · August 2014

Raash wrote: »

Yeah that is what I wonder aswell, perhaps as a way to add weight to their words or something? As i said before, I can believe that that there are players that are that old, just not the numbers of them presented on here. its highly improbable.

I'm going to assume you're of the younger generation (which is fine). I apologize ahead of time if I'm making an assumption here, but it almost sounds as though you think older people just would not be into gaming. If that's the case, I can understand your disbelief (bear with me here).

When I was a teenager and in my 20s, (I'm 42, by the way), I always thought "older" people didn't do anything. They had no interests. They just watched TV or read the newspaper. LOL. The older I get, the more I realize I'm still the same person with the same interests and the same personality for the most part that I had back in my 20s. Sometimes I don't even feel like an adult (besides some aches and pains now and then

).

My mom is 78. For the longest time, I treated her like a frail older woman with no personality, watching everything I said around her, not wanting to upset her, not really having any meaningful conversations with her because I "couldn't relate." One day for whatever reason, I mentioned to her about how I felt like I wasn't getting any older besides in just years, that I didn't feel any different, that I sometimes didn't even feel like an adult. In a rather exasperated way, she said to me that you will still be the same person (again, for the most part) in your older life as you were in your younger life. She says she feels the same way. After that is when I really got to know my mom. She's not old at all! Sometimes she giggles over things I used to think would be inappropriate for an "older woman" to giggle over, etc. It was really eye-opening.

So anyway, very long story short, if you're disbelief is because you don't think "older" people enjoy the same things you do, I hope I contributed a bit to helping you think of them in a different way. I know I no longer am "afraid" of getting older and turning into someone with no personality or interests. I'm going to be who I am today, which is just fine by me. And I will still be playing games in whatever form they are in the future.

Raash · August 2014

WebBull wrote: »

I am 50, have all my reflexes as well as 35 years of gaming knowledge, and would thrash Raash in gaming. At that point Raash, due to the shear embarrassment of losing to an old guy, you would have no option but to off thy self.

I bow to skill of a player anytime and I dont care if people are bad gamers either, but you being 50? You could claim to be 5 or 85. I think that many times people are trying to add strenght/impact to their words with claiming they are of high age.

rwelshmub17_ESO · August 2014

Great post,

This is my first real foray back into online gaming since my DAOC days and original EQ. I came back because it's an Elder Scrolls game, played them all right back to Arena. I'm very close to 50 and boy the coordination was and still is a huge challenge some days but I reality I love the combat mechanics and having to actually move, dodge smash keys etc.

I found I was always looking at the keyboard then usually died. Didn't help playing with a Stamina based NB either lol. I actually invested in a Razor Orb Weaver and it really improved my game. I have the keys mapped and able to work better once I got used to them.

I don't group much but with my Templar and sorcerer alts I join the occasional anchors fight. My Templar is a full healer with 1 h and shield and restro staff and the only time I play that is with my daughter. I was part of a decent guild that eventually joined another guild but our time zones were so Different I couldn't join a lot of the guild events. I'm also a very casual player who has been playing since beta and still haven't reach 50 on my characters. I'm just doing as many quests as I can casually moving through this imaginary world of Tamriel. This is really the first time in the ESO world where you can see it all. I'm always playing different alts (4) all in different zones just to enjoy the full aspects of the game. I solo a lot for the very reasons mentioned in all the posts because I'm not interested in power levelling and participating in hard core dungeon runs where players get upset with each other. I realize eventually I will have to and by that time I will be much better at the game and able to contribute. I have a bunch of my old EQ buddies looking to play so will group up with them when the opportunities present them selves.

Last note as I play any of my characters if I see anybody in a tough fight with low health I generally take the mob off of them as best I can and if I have a large store of gems then sometimes I will Rez the poor lady or guy. If I'm playing my Templar I will heal them as best I can. I find others do the same for me in a tough fight low health no potions left somebody will either heal me or jump in. I also since the last patch seeing a lot of the VR chars around looking for achievements saving the lower characters in tough spots which is good to see.

wandering.mind_ESO · August 2014

he older I get, the more I realize I'm still the same person with the same interests and the same personality for the most part that I had back in my 20s. Sometimes I don't even feel like an adult (besides some aches and pains now and then

).

Agree completely...I

Thechemicals · August 2014

Yeh elder scrolls has been around since the early 90's i believe,so if you were 18 back then- you would be near 40 now. Also, there was a big push for rpgs in the late 80's with Wizardry,dragonlance,final fantasy, d&d, and many players from the 80's jumped right on the eso bandwagon when it came out in the 90's.

Dayel · August 2014

I am in my 60s and have been gaming since text games and before on the Atari. My eye hand coordination was never that hot but it was much better when I was younger, but to be truthful I have never been more then a cheerful mediocre gamer, but I try really hard to not let people down who end up playing with me.

What happened to you has happened to me so often that I rarely even attempt to group with people.

The problem is illustrated by something that happened a week or so ago. I was passing by a dolmen and a grand total of one person was attempting to fight it and very obviously was not having a lot of success. As I do not mind dying as much as most people I began to fight the excess avis in an attempt to draw some of fire from the original player, who was certainly not going to be able to solo it. After doing what I could and managing to keep some of them off him, he yelled the "you suck" comment, which of course I already knew. Folded my tents at that point and silently wished him a quick death not sure whether I mean in game or out.

So when they wonder why many people will not group, I simply giggle a bit, and wander off having solo fun.

Raash · August 2014

laurajf wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Yeah that is what I wonder aswell, perhaps as a way to add weight to their words or something? As i said before, I can believe that that there are players that are that old, just not the numbers of them presented on here. its highly improbable.

I'm going to assume you're of the younger generation (which is fine). I apologize ahead of time if I'm making an assumption here, but it almost sounds as though you think older people just would not be into gaming. If that's the case, I can understand your disbelief (bear with me here).

When I was a teenager and in my 20s, (I'm 42, by the way), I always thought "older" people didn't do anything. They had no interests. They just watched TV or read the newspaper. LOL. The older I get, the more I realize I'm still the same person with the same interests and the same personality for the most part that I had back in my 20s. Sometimes I don't even feel like an adult (besides some aches and pains now and then ).

My mom is 78. For the longest time, I treated her like a frail older woman with no personality, watching everything I said around her, not wanting to upset her, not really having any meaningful conversations with her because I "couldn't relate." One day for whatever reason, I mentioned to her about how I felt like I wasn't getting any older besides in just years, that I didn't feel any different, that I sometimes didn't even feel like an adult. In a rather exasperated way, she said to me that you will still be the same person (again, for the most part) in your older life as you were in your younger life. She says she feels the same way. After that is when I really got to know my mom. She's not old at all! Sometimes she giggles over things I used to think would be inappropriate for an "older woman" to giggle over, etc. It was really eye-opening.

So anyway, very long story short, if you're disbelief is because you don't think "older" people enjoy the same things you do, I hope I contributed a bit to helping you think of them in a different way. I know I no longer am "afraid" of getting older and turning into someone with no personality or interests. I'm going to be who I am today, which is just fine by me. And I will still be playing games in whatever form they are in the future.

Sure, your apology is accepted since I think your really went way off into space with that essey you brought. Fun and somewhat a good read tho. And no harm intended, i bet you just want to help out.
The thing is: is it really likely that so many 50-70 years old are playing this game and let alone camping the forums? In my world no. And i know that you you guys dont think anyone would come up with fantasy age numbers, while I for sure think lots of people does.

wandering.mind_ESO · August 2014

Ok. for the record, to the disbelievers of advanced age players in mmos...the truth is since DAOC and EQ are now approaching 15 years and up...those folks who played beta then were an average of age 30 because most were in the industry. Fewer people had recreational computers 15 years ago so the math says 45 is a great base line for the continued mmo player.

Second, though I could not find the article, there was a study done when I was playing around with the Vanguard Saga of Hero's beta, about the increasing number of retiree's spending their free time playing online mmo's. That was around six to eight years ago. One can only surmise the numbers would escalate rather than decline.

Remember folks my generation played D&D and Atrai. Do you think growing old makes you grow up? Growing up is optional. Still, no need to stress that point. If you are under 30 you won't likely believe me until it hits you between the eyes somewhere around age 39, same as the rest of us who go before you.

Thing is, there are several stereotypes associated with online gaming.

Players are lazy, not too bright or just plain weird. Fact = higher than average IQ and either college educated or working professionals. Many married with kids.

Few females play mmo's - Fact = some studies say up to 60% of mmo players are female.

Average age 25 - true... Fact: The 50 plus players are growing yearly and I would venture to say at least 25% of the gaming population on games like ESO come from this age group which brings us inline with all the other age catagories. Games like GW2 no...not so much, but that game is an exception.

ESO is perfect for older players because of the quality of the lore and writing.

Of course, all of what I say is IMHO

laurajf · August 2014

Raash wrote: »

Sure, your apology is accepted since I think your really went way off into space with that essey you brought. Fun and somewhat a good read tho. And no harm intended, i bet you just want to help out.
The thing is: is it really likely that so many 50-70 years old are playing this game and let alone camping the forums? In my world no. And i know that you you guys dont think anyone would come up with fantasy age numbers, while I for sure think lots of people does.

Hey, I tried.

The moral of the story, I suppose, was that because older folks game and have gamed for many years, they are still around gaming and therefore, the population of older gamers is probably much larger than you realize. There are only so many current games out there so yes, they would be playing this game and yes, they would be on these forums, probably many more than have posted in this thread, which quite frankly was not that many. This thread just so happened to attract posts from some of the older gamers because they had something in common (age).

I won't beat a dead horse. I'm sorry your world, as you call it, does not contain respectful, helpful, friendly "older" people so as to give you such a disbelief of their existence (that you know of - there are probably more than you realize that you play with without having a clue as to their age). Hopefully someday when you're older and still playing games and some younger person says there can't be many older gamers, you'll remember when you thought the same and will write an essay on a game forum post yourself (yeah, I'm dreaming, I know).

RianaTheBosmer · August 2014

I've been told by my 18 yr old son that I act 12. I hang with 3 ESO gamers over 50 and 2 over 40. BTW, female here. Guess I break all the rules damn it. I also love shooters. I'm a hawt 52yr old, lol.