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Xnemesis
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Why would someone rather spam chat LF1M DPS for VR dungeons rather than take a guy who is wearing medium armor? Isnt doing something better then chat spamming?
Edited by Xnemesis on August 6, 2014 6:14PM 2
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Sharp✭✭✭So he doesn't want you in the group cause you're a medium armor wearer? Obviously has a superiority complex.Halfheart - VR 12 Altmer Sorcerer7 -
Ah you mean "rather than" i dnt know what this crap is about cloth and staves, ive got vet 7 sorc cloth and stave and found that using bow and medium much better so i rolled nightblade for the weap,stam buffs i dnt understand people still staying stam builds suck, maybe heavy but duel is okie and bow is just pawnage, stam lasts much longer than magika, it a stupid debate2 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭Im trying to figure out why someone would rather continue to spam chat looking for a dps instead of taking a player in medium armor. It went down like this.
Him: LF1M DPS VR dungeons
Me: Ill go
Him: what kind of armor do you wear?
Me: 5/2 split Med/Light
Him: Pass
Me: WTF really because im in medium armor?
Him: yes not my faulty you mad poor life decisions (I admit that was funny but really)
Me: Ok have fun spamming chat!
Him: LF1M DPS (light armor only) VR dungeons
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Clunan✭✭✭Ive done the speed challenges with 3 medium/stam DPS' for most of the dungeons, he's obviously a neckbeard. Especially nowadays with Stams buffs. Now I will say that I refuse to PUG with anyone attempting to use a 2h or a 2h AND heavy armor... For DPS... NEVER again... Ive also PUG'd with a "DPS" with sword and board and medium... Once again... NEVER again. Some things work... Some don't... PUGs suck, becuz you have no idea of the caliber of the player, some are just horrid.3 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭Ive done the speed challenges with 3 medium/stam DPS' for most of the dungeons, he's obviously a neckbeard. Especially nowadays with Stams buffs. Now I will say that I refuse to PUG with anyone attempting to use a 2h or a 2h AND heavy armor... For DPS... NEVER again... Ive also PUG'd with a "DPS" with sword and board and medium... Once again... NEVER again. Some things work... Some don't... PUGs suck, becuz you have no idea of the caliber of the player, some are just horrid.
Yeah it was whatever I found a dif group a few min later while he was still spamming chat so its whatever just seemed kind of silly to be so particular for a VR dungeon. I could see this mentality for maybe a trial but not a dungeon. Especially since I can murder with soul tether now lol.
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Becos he was a noob him self or a sheep still on the old band wagon of light is best, clearly doesn't try another spec or read patch notes, in guessing hes also a vamp that stands in fire lol he was a noob they exist unfortunately7
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Dnt change ur spec for people that like either play the way u want, as long as you know boss fights i dnt see the big deal even if it was slightly lower dps, people still scream at tanks for not picking up every agro on a mob, they still think they are playing wow me thinks2
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Xnemesis✭✭✭✭Dnt change ur spec for people that like either play the way u want, as long as you know boss fights i dnt see the big deal even if it was slightly lower dps, people still scream at tanks for not picking up every agro on a mob, they still think they are playing wow me thinks
oh I wont I love my bow/dw NB and yeah its not hard to bring adds to the tank lol. The best is when they run away from the tank and group and wonder why they die.0 -
Surliman✭✭I play my way. I wear what I want. I use whatever weapon I want. That's the spirit of an Elder Scrolls game. Any and all individuals who want specific this or specific that can kma.
Play your own game, you'll find people willing to take you in. Not everyone is an elitist a hole.
Some of us are actually here to have fun
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Pretext✭✭Armour racists! Or something like that, as every post must be a rant and use labels rather than be informative. 1 -
Dnt change ur spec for people that like either play the way u want, as long as you know boss fights i dnt see the big deal even if it was slightly lower dps, people still scream at tanks for not picking up every agro on a mob, they still think they are playing wow me thinks
oh I wont I love my bow/dw NB and yeah its not hard to bring adds to the tank lol. The best is when they run away from the tank and group and wonder why they die.
yep duel,bow nb is by far the most lethal class atm, i have vet templer vet 7 sorc, now working on low lvl after playing a nb on pts, people are still hung up on the idea that nb are crap erm not any more my friends pew pew...seeeya1 -
apostate9✭✭✭✭✭Ah you mean "rather than" i dnt know what this crap is about cloth and staves, ive got vet 7 sorc cloth and stave and found that using bow and medium much better so i rolled nightblade for the weap,stam buffs i dnt understand people still staying stam builds suck, maybe heavy but duel is okie and bow is just pawnage, stam lasts much longer than magika, it a stupid debate
OK, I have not yet felt comfortable expressing this on here, but now is the maybe the time. I would not call myself DPS, rather a tank but FWIIW:
I play DK.I don't wear a dress, I don't own a stick. I have like 5 pts in Magicka and 20 in Stam. I am a knight, I use heavy armor and a sword. I can't say my burst damage is great, we all know it won't be anything like a sorc with a destro staff. And yet...I have wrecked, and I mean wrecked PVE mobs right from day 1. In PVP my KDR is fairly lopsided in a good way. I get killed in PVP plenty, but I also disassemble cross-dressing DKs, sorcs and NBs on a regular basis. I designed this character to be a juggernaut, and he is. Playing melee successfully is sometimes a matter of "death of a thousand cuts", and largely by design I think.
Again, I wouldn't hold myself forth as a DPS character, but I ain't hitting with nerf swords either. The "stam build woes" and general class-snobbery seems to be a fabrication of the community's collective subconcious or something, there are more viable builds than not if you just don't try to make a *** class on purpose. Not only is melee viable, I am here to tell you that you can get into the top 12 on Emp leaderboards as a "warrior", because I have. I'm not that amazing of a player, so you can do it too. Or you can be a medium armored assassin, it works. Is it optimal right now? Maybe not from a damage output perspective, but then...there has always been more to the meta-game than just raw DPS, and it behooves the playerbase to figure that out.
But yeah, S&B in Heavy armor? Hilarious and awesome. Don't know what game some of these folks are playing.
My 00.02$
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Xnemesis✭✭✭✭I can literally never run out of stamina with my bow, couple that with a few magic DoTs and its amazing. Not the best but its consistent steady average DPS.3
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Indeed, well said.
more people need to tell folks to ******* u can mix and match any weap any armor and skill, you need to know how to play thats all.1 -
Haha yeah but when u ain't using aoe pulse spam its a bit of a give away1
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I went in FG at vet 2 and there were two craglorn nubs at vet 10ish coming back to get skill points, guess what they were doing? Lol aoe spamming impulse on the boss1
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Clunan✭✭✭Indeed, well said.
more people need to tell folks to ******* u can mix and match any weap any armor and skill, you need to know how to play thats all.
I disagree with this. Some "builds" are not viable. For instance, templar with all healing spells and two hander in heavy armor... If you think that is sufficient, then SURE you try running a vet dungeon with him as your "healer". There are TONS of viable builds, but there is that percentage of the population who has no clue what they are doing, and don't feel bad at all for not wanting to group with them. Ive been through enough hour long wipe fests due to subpar players.1 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭Haha yeah but when u ain't using aoe pulse spam its a bit of a give away
I still tend to do great AoE since patch and I never run out of stam... and no I am not running siphoning strikes. The trick is to just keep up Focused attacks for the 40% increase to in combat stam regen.
this is the build I use and its constant abilities. I rarely run into a situation where I have to white damage.
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Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't always pug, but when I do...
I tell them I'm in all medium with a two hander
They reject me
I link my speedrun achievements
Laugh when they beg me to join.
People are unimaginative and stubborn. My guildie remembers when people were saying the sorc was trash, then he laughed all the way to the bank when it turned out he had planned the op sorc build well in advance. Same with my templar friend. He's roasting DKs in PvP daily.
I mean, even pro and semi pro gamers get trashed when they go against the meta they themselves established. Don't let things like this get to you.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ah you mean "rather than" i dnt know what this crap is about cloth and staves, ive got vet 7 sorc cloth and stave and found that using bow and medium much better so i rolled nightblade for the weap,stam buffs i dnt understand people still staying stam builds suck, maybe heavy but duel is okie and bow is just pawnage, stam lasts much longer than magika, it a stupid debate
I think the people who don't like Stamina don't build their character for Stamina but instead Mana and try to use Stamina Skills.
Sure, Stamina needs some love, but it's not the red headed step child most people make it out to be. I have stamina fought bosses in Coldharbor and prevailed. Maybe PvP is different, but PvE, Stamina can rock. But you do have to have some mana skills to swap to while your Stamina builds back up, but then I have Stamina skills to swap to for my Sorc while her Mana builds back up.
Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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traigusb14_ESO2✭✭✭✭✭Indeed, well said.
more people need to tell folks to ******* u can mix and match any weap any armor and skill, you need to know how to play thats all.
I disagree with this. Some "builds" are not viable. For instance, templar with all healing spells and two hander in heavy armor... If you think that is sufficient, then SURE you try running a vet dungeon with him as your "healer". There are TONS of viable builds, but there is that percentage of the population who has no clue what they are doing, and don't feel bad at all for not wanting to group with them. Ive been through enough hour long wipe fests due to subpar players.
I've healed almost every VR but vet crypt of hearts with a templar in heavy with sword and shield.
If your tank is actually tank equipped (a lot of em really have dps gear) and your dps aren't morons it works just fine.
Edited by traigusb14_ESO2 on August 6, 2014 7:15PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't always pug, but when I do...
I tell them I'm in all medium with a two hander
They reject me
I link my speedrun achievements
Laugh when they beg me to join.
People are unimaginative and stubborn. My guildie remembers when people were saying the sorc was trash, then he laughed all the way to the bank when it turned out he had planned the op sorc build well in advance. Same with my templar friend. He's roasting DKs in PvP daily.
I mean, even pro and semi pro gamers get trashed when they go against the meta they themselves established. Don't let things like this get to you.
That sounds good and all, on paper. Still, all it really proves is that you were able to get the achievement. Now I am not saying this is what happened, but you COULD have simply been carried by a good group to get that, easilly as having a viable stamina build.
I challenge anyone to address the issues I raise in this thread. ALL class skills scale off spell damage and magicka. I don't care how you slice the pie, melee/stamina users get the crumbs.
Magicka users with light armor and staff can dump all their resource points into magicka and spell power and max both their class and weapon abilities, while stamina/weapon damage users have to split and end up gimping both.
Medium armor is nice for weapon crit, but you can get as much or more from magic crit sets and one Mage's Guild ability.
At the end of the day, achievements that require a group matter less than build-for-build DPS numbers. Right now, melee/stamina/weapon damage builds can't touch magicka/spell power builds for DPS, even after the latest 1.3.3 changes.
Go to a site like Tamriel Foundry where people parse the combat logs and collect actual DATA on this to see for yourself.
I'm not saying don't play the way you want. You should. I am still stubbornly refusing to give up on my DW/Bow medium armor NB. But the sad fact is, we are badly gimped by the class mechanics.Edited by Phinix1 on August 6, 2014 7:17PM0 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »I don't always pug, but when I do...
I tell them I'm in all medium with a two hander
They reject me
I link my speedrun achievements
Laugh when they beg me to join.
People are unimaginative and stubborn. My guildie remembers when people were saying the sorc was trash, then he laughed all the way to the bank when it turned out he had planned the op sorc build well in advance. Same with my templar friend. He's roasting DKs in PvP daily.
I mean, even pro and semi pro gamers get trashed when they go against the meta they themselves established. Don't let things like this get to you.
That sounds good and all, on paper. Still, all it really proves is that you were able to get the achievement. Now I am not saying this is what happened, but you COULD have simply been carried by a good group to get that, easilly as having a viable stamina build.
I challenge anyone to address the issues I raise in this thread. ALL class skills scale off spell damage and magicka. I don't care how you slice the pie, melee/stamina users get the crumbs.
Magicka users with light armor and staff can dump all their resource points into magicka and spell power and max both their class and weapon abilities, while stamina/weapon damage users have to split and end up gimping both.
Medium armor is nice for weapon crit, but you can get as much or more from magic crit sets and one Mage's Guild ability.
At the end of the day, achievements that require a group matter less than build-for-build DPS numbers. Right now, melee/stamina/weapon damage builds can't touch magicka/spell power builds for DPS, even after the latest 1.3.3 changes.
Go to a site like Tamriel Foundry where people parse the combat logs and collect actual DATA on this to see for yourself.
I'm not saying don't play the way you want. You should. I am still stubbornly refusing to give up on my DW/Bow medium armor NB. But the sad fact is, we are badly gimped by the class mechanics.
http://tinyurl.com/nyqjdyn
look over this build and tell me where it falls short?.... It rocks and you will never have a resource issue. You don't always have to conform or be the top DPS as long as you can obey mechanics and not become a liability.
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Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »I don't always pug, but when I do...
I tell them I'm in all medium with a two hander
They reject me
I link my speedrun achievements
Laugh when they beg me to join.
People are unimaginative and stubborn. My guildie remembers when people were saying the sorc was trash, then he laughed all the way to the bank when it turned out he had planned the op sorc build well in advance. Same with my templar friend. He's roasting DKs in PvP daily.
I mean, even pro and semi pro gamers get trashed when they go against the meta they themselves established. Don't let things like this get to you.
That sounds good and all, on paper. Still, all it really proves is that you were able to get the achievement. Now I am not saying this is what happened, but you COULD have simply been carried by a good group to get that, easilly as having a viable stamina build.
I challenge anyone to address the issues I raise in this thread. ALL class skills scale off spell damage and magicka. I don't care how you slice the pie, melee/stamina users get the crumbs.
Magicka users with light armor and staff can dump all their resource points into magicka and spell power and max both their class and weapon abilities, while stamina/weapon damage users have to split and end up gimping both.
Medium armor is nice for weapon crit, but you can get as much or more from magic crit sets and one Mage's Guild ability.
At the end of the day, achievements that require a group matter less than build-for-build DPS numbers. Right now, melee/stamina/weapon damage builds can't touch magicka/spell power builds for DPS, even after the latest 1.3.3 changes.
Go to a site like Tamriel Foundry where people parse the combat logs and collect actual DATA on this to see for yourself.
I'm not saying don't play the way you want. You should. I am still stubbornly refusing to give up on my DW/Bow medium armor NB. But the sad fact is, we are badly gimped by the class mechanics.
Well, when the dps I run with is also wearing medium and carrying a greatsword, I tend to think I wasn't carried.
I'm well aware of the data, hell, I have carried a stick sometimes too. (The dress is breezy) But I personally don't plan on paper. I just go for what I feel is best for me. As long as it works, I don't really care if it's the 'best build'. Screw fotm.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
Clunan✭✭✭My main problem with 2h lies in the fact a lot of boss mechanics make it unsafe/unreliable to use 2h abilities/attacks, which is why my stam toons use bow for bosses like that, AND the lack of a solid AOE mechanic, such as whirlwind from DW. In pvp I like 2h, but for reliable and efficient dps in pve content? Would much rather use/see dw/bow users.0
