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Xnemesis wrote: »

Im trying to figure out why someone would rather continue to spam chat looking for a dps instead of taking a player in medium armor. It went down like this.

Simply because most medium armor dps users don't do that much damage. There are some that do, but he didn't want to take a chance because he didn't know you.

There is truth in that assumption. If you're medium armor, you have to know what you're doing in order to do some damage. On the other hand, if you get a dps with light armor and staff, it's a safe bet that he is capable of doing damage because all he needs to do is spam impulse.

Phinix1

Xnemesis wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

I don't always pug, but when I do...
I tell them I'm in all medium with a two hander
They reject me
I link my speedrun achievements
Laugh when they beg me to join.

People are unimaginative and stubborn. My guildie remembers when people were saying the sorc was trash, then he laughed all the way to the bank when it turned out he had planned the op sorc build well in advance. Same with my templar friend. He's roasting DKs in PvP daily.

I mean, even pro and semi pro gamers get trashed when they go against the meta they themselves established. Don't let things like this get to you.

That sounds good and all, on paper. Still, all it really proves is that you were able to get the achievement. Now I am not saying this is what happened, but you COULD have simply been carried by a good group to get that, easilly as having a viable stamina build.

I challenge anyone to address the issues I raise in this thread. ALL class skills scale off spell damage and magicka. I don't care how you slice the pie, melee/stamina users get the crumbs.

Magicka users with light armor and staff can dump all their resource points into magicka and spell power and max both their class and weapon abilities, while stamina/weapon damage users have to split and end up gimping both.

Medium armor is nice for weapon crit, but you can get as much or more from magic crit sets and one Mage's Guild ability.

At the end of the day, achievements that require a group matter less than build-for-build DPS numbers. Right now, melee/stamina/weapon damage builds can't touch magicka/spell power builds for DPS, even after the latest 1.3.3 changes.

Go to a site like Tamriel Foundry where people parse the combat logs and collect actual DATA on this to see for yourself.

I'm not saying don't play the way you want. You should. I am still stubbornly refusing to give up on my DW/Bow medium armor NB. But the sad fact is, we are badly gimped by the class mechanics.

http://tinyurl.com/nyqjdyn
look over this build and tell me where it falls short?.... It rocks and you will never have a resource issue. You don't always have to conform or be the top DPS as long as you can obey mechanics and not become a liability.

Let me preface this by saying you should play how you like, and ANY build you enjoy is "viable" for solo play. However the problem still exists that to be a melee DPS you have to spread your stats between magicka for class skills and stamina for weapon skills, gimping both, while magic users can focus all on magicka for both.

That is why melee/stamina users do roughly half the DPS of strictly magicka users.

If you enjoy how you play I am happy to hear it! But the reason people are getting dumped from end game content, specifically veteran dungeons and trials, which is what the OP asked about, is because to be competitive and succeed there you NEED the numbers, which stamina/weapon power builds simply can't deliver.

It isn't an issue of soft caps. It is an issue of ALL class abilities being biased towards magic. It is one-sided and unfair, and simply bad design on ZOS's part.

That said...

Bar 1:

Degeneration - Scales off Magicka and Spell Damage, which you have basically neglected (unless you have all magic enchants?). Does minimal damage.

Funnel Health - Scales off Magicka and Spell Damage AND SPELL crit, which you have basically neglected (magic enchants help half of this). Does minimal damage.

Bar 2:

Concealed Weapon - Again, scales off your weak stat, Magicka and Spell Damage. Does minimal damage.

Generally:

Using 2 light armor pieces for the 12% spell penetration isn't worth it since your main damage spell ability (Concealed Weapon) uses ARMOR, not spell resist. Don't ask me why since it uses magicka/spell power to determine damage, but it is what it is. It also uses weapon CRIT. (Confused yet? I sure am!)

Also, it isn't worth the loss of more weapon crit which is the main source of damage here based on your slotting Focussed Attacks on both bars (I'm assuming you are doing a LOT of light/heavy attacks?). The 6% reduced spell cost and 8% magic regen can't make up for the loss of 6% crit and 8% stam regen

Also, this build is very AOE-focused. The main single target DPS you have, light attack/Concealed Weapon weaving on bar 2, is severely gimped by the fact that Concealed Weapon determines damage by magicka/spell power NOT stamina/weapon power.

EDIT:

I commend you on a unique and fun looking build!

Xnemesis

I usually have the three dots ticking plus my heavy attack spam while they are up. Focused attacks is generally for the in combat stam regen. I could just spam poison injection but using heavy atta is while it ticks is actually more damage. The only time I spam anything is when I have a trash pack in a dungeon I acid spray them which I can pretty much do forever because if focused attacks. If not for focused attacks the build is not viable.

As for the dual weild build it is more aoe centric for sure but stuff goes down quick I can stealth and hit each target in a three pack group then sparks spam. When they hit 25% I switch to ww which hits massively on low health targets.

I haven't tested going full medium yet I may get more dos that way and I would have to check it out. I get the no us damage on funnel health due to me using degeneration. Not to mention surprise attack uses phys crit.

It isn't the best set up but for me it is the best balance and bang for your buck when wanting a stamina focused build.

Xnemesis

Sorry if I have typos I'm on my phone

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

Hybrid designs are part of eso that's why they designed trials specifity to test your ability to switch roles mid combat, people need to get over this eleitest wow BS of strict roles, holy grail of tank dps and heal is not that strict here, the way people rage about it is not acceptable, its simply bullying people to a play style that is not necessarily needed in this game, purely because they cant let go of what's bult into them from wow and lets face it, no skill was required in wow, everyone used macros and a website which told you what stats to use, get over it

Shunravi

@AlienDiplomat‌, I agree pretty much completely with what you are saying. The charts don't lie, they have been compiled by much better players than me. Honestly, the biggest reason I think me and my guildies are able to do what we do is because we are used to running together. Though, on those occasions when we do pick up pugs, we will often adapt to accommodate the players style. So sometimes I will go healer, sometimes tank. I'm flexable.

But I have a confession. None of my gear is enchanted (even flame resist glyphs, as I recently became a vampire for the dye) and all my attributes are in hp. I am probably one of the laziest, most underpepared players to complete vet dungeons. But I have fun. (I finally enchanted my sword last week, thinking about it happened to coincide with having a glyph in my inventory.) Maybe I was carried by the other melee guy I run with...

It is a shame about the pug environment though. No one wants to give a guy a chance if there is more risk of not being able to finish.

Phinix1

@Shunravi I had a chuckle reading your last post and I really like your attitude. You are able to remain positive without being arrogant. That alone makes you a God among insects in my book.

I think part of the problem with PUGs not giving people a chance is the monthly sub thing. People equate their time quite literally to money here. So, if there are number showing one DPS style does half the DPS of another, they will choose the one that gives them the best chance of maximizing their "bang for the buck."