I need real advice please

theyancey · August 2014

ruff82 wrote: »

theyancey wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

theyancey wrote: »

As an aside, please contact customer support via phone. Like all companies, Zenimax is required to abide by the ADA laws that require that they make their premises and products, in this case virtual, accessible to all regardless of disability. ZOS can easily abide by this in several easy ways from buffing your toon to having a GM assist you in the quest. If the progressive history of Zenimax and ZOS is any indication they will be happy to make this happen for you.

Amazing how someone actually tried to take sony to court over it and failed. Stern v. Sony Corp., No. 09-cv-7710, slip op. at *4 (C.D.Cal. Feb. 8, 2010)
So where did you get the brilliant idea that the ADA required video game companies to do anything as you suggested?

In this decision SCOTUS upheld the ADA requirements that forced the PGA to allow Tracey Martin to use a cart while all other players were forced to walk. PGA Tour, Inc. v. Martin, 532 U.S. 661 (2001).

Have you even read the court decision theyancey? I urge you to do so at http://www.onpointnews.com/docs/Stern-v-Sony_MTD_order.pdf

There is a huge difference between a physical locality, such as in the PGA case, and the "virtual" world. Physical disabilities do not apply to the "virtual" world like they do the physical one. For instance, a blind person cannot sue an online game manufacturer because they can't play the games just like they cannot file a lawsuit against a bookstore simply because said bookstore does not sell books in braille (as indicated by the justices in the decision in the above link) . Disabilities cause limitation on an individual's abilities - hence the name DISability!

Please, in the future, if you are going to try to use a court case to support your theory on something, make sure you are comparing Apples to Apples instead of Apples to Elephants!

Yes, I have read that order and I doubt that district judge's ruling that the handicapped have no protections in the virtual marketplace would stand on appeal. It would effectively gut the ADA in today's digital world. There is a long history of computers being used to aid the handicapped. Windows has had such tools embedded since day 1.

There is also a key difference in these two issues. That is that here there is no requirement to alter the game itself. SCOTUS used the same logic in the Martin decision. They noted that allowing Martin to ride was not an undue burden on the PGA. They did not need to alter the course for him. In the same light our OP is not asking for the game itself to be altered. A GM helping him or providing him a buff does not require rewriting game code.

Seravi · August 2014

The Razer Naga is an amazing mouse. Has a lot of buttons that you could use and should be able to play fine with just that mouse.

ruff82 · August 2014

theyancey wrote: »

Yes, I have read that order and I doubt that district judge's ruling that the handicapped have no protections in the virtual marketplace would stand on appeal. It would effectively gut the ADA in today's digital world. There is a long history of computers being used to aid the handicapped. Windows has had such tools embedded since day 1.

There is also a key difference in these two issues. That is that here there is no requirement to alter the game itself. SCOTUS used the same logic in the Martin decision. They noted that allowing Martin to ride was not an undue burden on the PGA. They did not need to alter the course for him. In the same light our OP is not asking for the game itself to be altered. A GM helping him or providing him a buff does not require rewriting game code.

You obviously have not studied the law very much even though you would like people to believe you have. The ADA requires companies to provide a "reasonable" effort to ensure individuals with disabilities can utilize their products. Having a GM "help the individual / buff the individual" would not qualify as reasonable effort because that gives the individual an "unfair edge" over others. The embedded windows tools do not give handicap users unfair advantages over others because the tools are available to all. The point of the ADA, just like the point of the Affirmative Action Laws, is not to give one group of people an advantage over others, but rather to give them equal opportunity as others. In the PGA case, the individual would not be able to compete without use of the cart; therefore they were not given advantage over others, but given the ability to compete with others. It also, as I previously stated, was in the PHYSICAL world, rather than the virtual world and was not designed to give an advantage, but rather level the playing field. In addition to providing an unfair advantage not available to all in this instance, providing the GM to aid would also place undue cost on the company because, undoubtedly, this would not be the only disabled gamer needing help ergo more GMs would have to be hired in order to facilitate this absurd advantage!

liquid_wolf · August 2014

rotiferuk wrote: »

There is an eight way foot controller available.

"Stinkyboard is unlike anything else out there. It is the revolutionary next step in game controller technology. Patented Return to Neutral (R2N) technology allows for lightning-quick, precise control, while keeping your foot in a relaxed, natural position. More functionality. Less fatigue."

http://stinkyboard.com/stinkyboard/

I think my life just changed.

Nocturnalfox · August 2014

Why not?
Without flaming, if he hasn't got the use of his arm, he should adapt and use his toes...
I'm a medic and that's common sense. I don't know if he was stirring trouble or it was a genuine idea. But its a true one, if you lose function in one part of your body you should learn to compensate for that loss and use your others in intelligent and inventive ways.
I only get flamed up when people point or laugh at someones ingenuity at solving a problem.

Alternatively if you have a hard surface you may wish to put the mouse on the floor, hook your right big toe over the left click and your second and third on the right button, take some training, but I have seen it done

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ruff82 · August 2014

Thralgaf wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Put your keyboard on the floor?

Ok, I took it down. I will only say that I tend to expect the worst on internet threads.

Seems you sir are the [snip]. You obviously don't understand the natural tendency to COMPENSATE for loss of ability. Go to the following link and educate yourself!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlMz2sCDCA4

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AerezDrey · August 2014

Why are people making negative comments about badmojo suggesting putting keyboard on the floor? I have personally seen people that did not have use of their hands/arms use their feet as hands. I have also seen it done by disabled people on many television programs. badmojo's suggestion seemed like an attempt to make a logical and reasonable effort to help. Maybe he was actually trying to be a jerk with his statement, but that is not the impression I got.

Perhaps the people assuming badmojo's comment was meant to be negative, are themselves actually the negative people seeing a reflection of themselves?

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

ruff82 wrote: »

Thralgaf wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Put your keyboard on the floor?

Ok, I took it down. I will only say that I tend to expect the worst on internet threads.

Seems you sir are the [snip]. You obviously don't understand the natural tendency to COMPENSATE for loss of ability. Go to the following link and educate yourself!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlMz2sCDCA4

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when would using a gun with your feet be a feasible option? I am so confused.

I mean, if it was a home invader you were targeting, you'd have to lie down to shoot at him, and probably wouldn't hit vital areas, (and give him tons of time to just take the gun from you etc.) And if you were mugging someone, it seems like you probably wouldn't be very successful lying on the sidewalk in front of your intended victim.

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JessieColt · August 2014

lycanslerwb17_ESO wrote: »

fighting mannimarco, im disabled, i can only use one arm, so can someone tell me how to fight him this way. im a templar, level 49 and i just cant do it. been trying for over 1 week. tried all different skills, i use a dest staff. My stats are, Magic 32, Health 9 Stamina 7. I use a purple food, and my staff does 100 damage with 24 flame damage.

Please advise me

Your best bet is to set up your gaming rig in a way that overcomes the loss of your arm.

A gaming mouse with multiple programmable buttons is most definitely something you should consider.

The Razar Naga Gaming Mouse is one such beast. This mouse is available in both a left and right handed configuration. So regardless of which arm you have lost, you can still use this mouse. Although Amazon shows that the Left-Handed version is more expensive.

As someone else already said, the Stinky Gaming Footboard Foot Controller is also something you should consider. It has 4 directional buttons that without anything special can be used for your movement directions W,A,S,D.

It can be expanded from 4 to 16 options, so you can program them to do more than just move, but all things considered, keeping it simple might be the best way to use the foot controller.

Amazon has both of these items listed for sale for under 100 dollars each. Shipping and taxes will of course raise the price. But all things considered, these 2 items are your best bet for setting up your gaming in a way that overcomes the loss of your arm, and both can be used for far more applications than just TESO and are well worth the investment.

ruff82 · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

ruff82 wrote: »

Thralgaf wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Put your keyboard on the floor?

Ok, I took it down. I will only say that I tend to expect the worst on internet threads.

Seems you sir are the idiot. You obviously don't understand the natural tendency to COMPENSATE for loss of ability. Go to the following link and educate yourself!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlMz2sCDCA4

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when would using a gun with your feet be a feasible option? I am so confused.

I mean, if it was a home invader you were targeting, you'd have to lie down to shoot at him, and probably wouldn't hit vital areas, (and give him tons of time to just take the gun from you etc.) And if you were mugging someone, it seems like you probably wouldn't be very successful lying on the sidewalk in front of your intended victim.

Wouldn't be feasible for self-defense. This would be for competitive shooting and such. That said, the point was demonstrating using feet to compensate for the loss of arms.

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pitdemon_ESO · August 2014

O god, 2 lawyers are going at it.

I'm closing this thread before I get subpoena'd to civil court.

(OP, I use a Naga. I was born with a "disability" myself, I'm a lefty

)
regular and lefty version: http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga/

zhevon · August 2014

Wow ...this thread went <downhill> quickly;. The OP wanted simple suggestions on how to overcome a current problem.

Nocturnalfox · August 2014

I think I answered that question. The rest of them turned it into foot robbery.
Which regrettably I can see getting this closed down...

Lets play by big boy rules yea, keep it on topic before a mod comes along and shuts down a genuine request for help.

Decimus_Rex · August 2014

wwusterbarthub17_ESO wrote: »

If you know someone in real life who plays the game maybe let them try it for you. I have a nightblade who got trounced with him also.

For you, you may want to look into getting a mouse that has a lot of buttons. When I shopped for one at Best Buy there was one there with like 12-15 buttons on it that may help you.

If you have the money this is a good idea .

I have a RAZER NAGA 2014 and I love it

It would be perfect for you and turn you into a killing machine EZmode

http://youtu.be/lLSCyCyaAoA

ruff82 · August 2014

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

O god, 2 lawyers are going at it.

I'm closing this thread before I get subpoena'd to civil court.

(OP, I use a Naga. I was born with a "disability" myself, I'm a lefty )
regular and lefty version: http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga/

Sorry, I was just pointing out the absurdity of the person bringing up the ADA when you were simply asking for a mouse/controller/keyboard idea that could be used temporarily due to a temporary loss of mobility.

As a side note, and just because I thought your comment funny, I'm not a lawyer yet but I am in year two of law school.

dale_forrestb16_ESO · August 2014

I had problems with him on my NB. I switched over to healing staff and it was a joke-fight. Also, the person who recommended an MMO mouse had the right idea. I use the Logitech one with 12 buttons for my thumb. I can't play any other way.

Good luck to you.

ruff82 · August 2014

dale_forrestb16_ESO wrote: »

I had problems with him on my NB. I switched over to healing staff and it was a joke-fight. Also, the person who recommended an MMO mouse had the right idea. I use the Logitech one with 12 buttons for my thumb. I can't play any other way.

Good luck to you.

I've never used a mouse with so many damn buttons. Doesn't that get quite confusing at first?

Erock25 · August 2014

My real advice that I give you is to put the actual subject of your post in the title of the thread.

kewl · August 2014

I use the Logitech G600. Has 24+ keys to customize. You could use the first 12 for movement/interaction and the other for skills. Also, setting up a few macro commands would help (not sure if that violates the rules thou.)

EDIT1: You'll be all messed up using the mouse at first. Muscle memory will eventually set in. Then you'll wonder how you ever played ESO without it.

EDIT2: Screenshot of my config. I only use the first 12 buttons, right now. But I'm looking into expanding. I used all 24 in WoW.

dale_forrestb16_ESO · August 2014

I've never used a mouse with so many damn buttons. Doesn't that get quite confusing at first?

For about 15 minutes to half an hour - then you will never look back. You can use the keyboard for WASD and the mouse for everything else. It's way easier to PVP with this type of setup IMHO. Post above this one has a photo of the mouse I use. It has three mouse buttons - the third one (on the right) I use for dodge roll and my abilities are on the side (thumb) buttons.

Someone posted about the razer naga mouse above as well. There are many of these available.

ZOS_AmeliaR · August 2014

Hey folks. We'd like to keep this discussion open, but to do so, we ask that you please keep the conversation focused on the original topic. That is, let's focus on helping @lycanslerwb17_ESO‌ defeat Mannimarco, rather than on what tasks can be performed (or not) with one's feet. Also, please keep our Community Rules in mind when posting. Thank you!

Decimus_Rex · August 2014

I've never used a mouse with so many damn buttons. Doesn't that get quite confusing at first?

Nope not at all

Oh, you can get elaborate with it and use macros of any description but it has a simple function were you can run it 1 through 0 and -, =, as your 12 keys.

I'm sure you could put at least, forward and back movement keys on this mouse if you wanted as well

The only thing this mouse lacks is your imagination

kieso · August 2014

all I see are mice that discriminate against left handed gamers!

MikeBob · August 2014

ruff82 wrote: »

theyancey wrote: »

Yes, I have read that order and I doubt that district judge's ruling that the handicapped have no protections in the virtual marketplace would stand on appeal. It would effectively gut the ADA in today's digital world. There is a long history of computers being used to aid the handicapped. Windows has had such tools embedded since day 1.

There is also a key difference in these two issues. That is that here there is no requirement to alter the game itself. SCOTUS used the same logic in the Martin decision. They noted that allowing Martin to ride was not an undue burden on the PGA. They did not need to alter the course for him. In the same light our OP is not asking for the game itself to be altered. A GM helping him or providing him a buff does not require rewriting game code.

You obviously have not studied the law very much even though you would like people to believe you have. The ADA requires companies to provide a "reasonable" effort to ensure individuals with disabilities can utilize their products. Having a GM "help the individual / buff the individual" would not qualify as reasonable effort because that gives the individual an "unfair edge" over others. The embedded windows tools do not give handicap users unfair advantages over others because the tools are available to all. The point of the ADA, just like the point of the Affirmative Action Laws, is not to give one group of people an advantage over others, but rather to give them equal opportunity as others. In the PGA case, the individual would not be able to compete without use of the cart; therefore they were not given advantage over others, but given the ability to compete with others. It also, as I previously stated, was in the PHYSICAL world, rather than the virtual world and was not designed to give an advantage, but rather level the playing field. In addition to providing an unfair advantage not available to all in this instance, providing the GM to aid would also place undue cost on the company because, undoubtedly, this would not be the only disabled gamer needing help ergo more GMs would have to be hired in order to facilitate this absurd advantage!

The term actually used in the ADA statute is "reasonable accommodation."

Interestingly, I too game with the use of only one arm (my left - due to paralysis caused by nerve damage in the right one) - and I also worked in public transportation for many years (where ADA compliance is - or was back then - a major daily operational concern).

Yancey's right - and, ruff, you're just blowin' smoke.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

kieso wrote: »

all I see are mice that discriminate against left handed gamers!

Here here, I am perpetually hitting the back key on my mouse because it is geared towards righties. There are left handed gaming mice, but they are not cheap. Even one with basic buttons geared towards left handed people run about $50.

JessieColt · August 2014

kieso wrote: »

all I see are mice that discriminate against left handed gamers!

There are 2 posts, mine and one other, that specifically state that the mouse comes in both a left and right handed version.

Innocente · August 2014

I can certainly recommend the Logitech G600 Gaming Mouse.

It is very similar to the Naga, but I think the shape, buttons, and software are better, from my experience (I have owned both, and gave the Naga away).

The G600, like the Naga, will take some getting used to. But, it won't be long until you are wondering how you ever lived without it.

Good Luck!

KleanZlate · August 2014

ruff82 wrote: »

dale_forrestb16_ESO wrote: »

I had problems with him on my NB. I switched over to healing staff and it was a joke-fight. Also, the person who recommended an MMO mouse had the right idea. I use the Logitech one with 12 buttons for my thumb. I can't play any other way.

Good luck to you.

I've never used a mouse with so many damn buttons. Doesn't that get quite confusing at first?

I actually bought a Razer Naga today and I'm quickly getting used to it. I still go for the keyboard commands when under pressure but the only real problem I've had is that the game keeps crashing (what up with that Zenimax

)

To the OP, as has already been stated multiple times, a multi button mouse could help. Mine has six buttons on the side (for the thumb) so it's enough for all my skills and weapon change and it doesn't cost too much. You can of course also program it for use with other programs as it comes with a pretty good setup program.

Perhaps you could be more specific about what it is you're having difficulty with though. Do need more of a tactical advice than endless mouse reviews?

Badh0rse · August 2014

EinionYrth wrote: »

Badh0rse wrote: »

I use a Razer Naga and I have a layout just for eating. I have my movement buttons and my abilities all on the 12 side buttons. It's a little wonky but I can eat pizza with my left hand and play with my right!

You must have the fittest right thumb on the planet.

TBH the whole right arm is pretty fit. I do a lot of ..... uhhhhhh ... ummmm ... .. right handed exercise!

Nylan · August 2014

I have seen foot pads at Frys (my local computer store) it had heal, toe, side to side switch's, also a mouse with multiple buttons which can be key bound, hope that helps.