Awdwyn wrote: »

Ok using a mod that shows speed in units per second (UpS). Here's my results:

75 walking
250 running
360 sprinting
250 stealth (no set, no concealed, with vamp)
310 stealth (no set, concealed, vamp)
400 stealth (set, no conealed, vamp)
460 stealth (set, concealed, vamp)
~88 horse walking
290 horse running
360 horse sprinting
400 horse double sprint

The horse is a imperial edition 1g horse with all points in carry weight.

Samadhi wrote: »

I downloaded this addon (RavSpeed) and tested the set with a non-vampire alt.

Running: 250
Sneak with no set: 150
Sneak with set: 240

My alt doesn't have concealed weapon, but I think we can extrapolate that the set bonus is just slightly less than vampire; a Nightblade with the set and Concealed Weapon should be just slightly slower than a Nightblade Vampire with the Concealed Weapon but no set.

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I just reskilled, so before I put points back into Dark Stalker in Vampire passives I tested my speed with level 4 Concealed Weapon and the set on.

Came in at 275

Slightly faster than Vampire bonus alone; not as fast as Vampire + Concealed Weapon.

Choose according to your individual needs.

Played for 4 hours on the 30 day campaign last night, with players in pretty much every direction and this is my thoughts.

With this set on I was able to be in stealth and then very quickly move around and in behind my enemies without them having a clue, then hit the stragglers from behind.

When a red zerg would leave a keep, I could watch them go by , get in and behind them easily then get behind the last guy, chase him while he is on horseback and snipe him, worked great but once in combat your speed is gone.

It's a great set and all, and I'm going to miss the speed for sure because I think I'll go to hundigs for the extra damage. Speed is great, and the surviability good (I'll get to that in a bit) but it's far from OP. Yes, it's fast but once in combat it's not as good as anything else out there.

If you are getting ground into the dirt and you can't cloak as a result, and you can't leave combat then it's useless, but if you can manage to snare your opponent for a second or two then leave the combat area on low health about to die, then the set does give you a getaway strategy and I was able to do this about 50% of the time. Stealth speed is so good that your opponent is looking for you much closer to where he/she thinks you should be versus where you actually are, thus the surviability.

Personally, I think there are a tonne of better crafted sets out there than nights silence, although if you are going for a speedy stealthy focused build with an NB, then this may be for you.

Very true demon, although if you are going for speedy stealth build then you shouldn't be out of hidden very much of the time.

I agree. They need to nerf staff, dress, and hit BE one more time.

kijima wrote: »

Played for 4 hours on the 30 day campaign last night, with players in pretty much every direction and this is my thoughts.

With this set on I was able to be in stealth and then very quickly move around and in behind my enemies without them having a clue, then hit the stragglers from behind.

When a red zerg would leave a keep, I could watch them go by , get in and behind them easily then get behind the last guy, chase him while he is on horseback and snipe him, worked great but once in combat your speed is gone.

It's a great set and all, and I'm going to miss the speed for sure because I think I'll go to hundigs for the extra damage. Speed is great, and the surviability good (I'll get to that in a bit) but it's far from OP. Yes, it's fast but once in combat it's not as good as anything else out there.

If you are getting ground into the dirt and you can't cloak as a result, and you can't leave combat then it's useless, but if you can manage to snare your opponent for a second or two then leave the combat area on low health about to die, then the set does give you a getaway strategy and I was able to do this about 50% of the time. Stealth speed is so good that your opponent is looking for you much closer to where he/she thinks you should be versus where you actually are, thus the surviability.

Personally, I think there are a tonne of better crafted sets out there than nights silence, although if you are going for a speedy stealthy focused build with an NB, then this may be for you.

Nice, this was a well typed opinion on the pros and cons, man.

While it's use is situational of course, like you said and you have to not be in combat, I still think it's too good. One way it can be used is on your support bar with 2 weapons and 3 clothing items, thus on your main bar you can still have a different 5 piece set and only sacrifice 3 items to it.

Another use, probably the one I'm gonna go for, is to use it specifically for scroll grabbing. While out of combat you can switch item and skill sets from your inventory with the press of a button (using add-ons like Wykkyd's outfitter). So you just keep one set the set in your inventory and when the team has gotten "out of combat", you can switch to it and zip all the way home.

As a PvPer I think it negates too much the possibility of the defenders recapturing the scroll. Bolt Escape got a specific nerf where you can't Bolt Escape if you're a scroll carrier. Without any hint of bitterness towards NBs, I think either this set or some of the of the skills like Path of Darkness need to be looked at from that perspective. So either the set bonus or some skills don't work when you're a scroll carrier.

In summary, I still think for sneaky class that has Teleport Strike, Veiled Weapon and some decent passives on first strike from stealth, the option to sneak around in horse speed is too good to ignore. Unfortunately my NB is only currently being levelled (lvl 12 ) so I can't really post personal experiences yet, but I will certainly try it in time. I think time will tell, if almost everyone has it and people start to complain you'll know something is wrong with it.

Invisibility or stealthily drops the scroll at your feet so have fun running a scroll with it lol

Sharee wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Another use, probably the one I'm gonna go for, is to use it specifically for scroll grabbing. While out of combat you can switch item and skill sets from your inventory with the press of a button (using add-ons like Wykkyd's outfitter). So you just keep one set the set in your inventory and when the team has gotten "out of combat", you can switch to it and zip all the way home.

As a PvPer I think it negates too much the possibility of the defenders recapturing the scroll. Bolt Escape got a specific nerf where you can't Bolt Escape if you're a scroll carrier. Without any hint of bitterness towards NBs, I think either this set or some of the of the skills like Path of Darkness need to be looked at from that perspective. So either the set bonus or some skills don't work when you're a scroll carrier.

Correct me if i am wrong but i believe when you enter stealth while carrying a scroll, the scroll drops to the ground.

Beat me to it. You are correct. You cannot go into stealth while holding the scroll so that wouldn't be an application of the set. Still, I may download the Outfitter add-on just to swap this set in and out when I want to move around. Before I attack, reswap to my battle gear and fight.

outfitter really is invaluable. I tried alphatools but it wasn't nearly as good. Outfitter has some frustrating bugs to it though.

ZOS please don't nerf this, it seems effective but without being able to use it for scroll carrying or in combat, it doesn't look OP.

I am excited about keeping a separate set on me for scouting and stealthing around.

I'm a vamp NB w/ Concealed Weapon and I will be trying this out just to see how it plays, but I honestly highly doubt I would continue using it. At some stage the cost/benefit of investing heavily in an ability like stealth speed is simply not worth sacrificing the DPS or survivability other sets afford.

I've been using it since the patch - main set is dual dagger with 5pc whitestrake (counters the vamp) and second set is dual dagger with 5pc nights silence .. main bar is for killing, second bar is for warpspeed travel and buffs / support. it works amazingly well as I get the speed but don't sacrifice my combat ability.

Also .. it's hella fun

Tested out some gank builds with this armor set and vamp passive. The below bar has had some great success. I also met a new PvP partner the same night that had this set and we would dropped player after player. Most fun I have had in a long time as a NB.. It made me feel... like a NB.

Anyways..
Ambush - Dark Cloak - Elusive Mist - Retreating Maneuver - Inner Light

The idea of this bar and how it works (often breaks) is that you must kill your target in order to avoid the detected bug that prevents you from becoming hidden.

So..
Once you drop your target you pop "Retreating Maneuver" and very quickly after that "Elusive Mist". The reason for using Elusive Mist very quickly after Retreating Maneuver... is that it cuts down on the time in which you are able to go hidden since Elusive Mist causes you to become detected for a short amount of time if used while crouched..

I am able to kill a "single player" reset the fight and come back to kill another player if resources allow it. My partner and I had up to a 5-6 player kill streak a few times if that gives you any idea of how successful it was for me.

I think these tool tips have since then been updated, but I highlighted in bold the parts that make this very successful.

**Retreating Maneuver**
Increases movement speed of nearby allies by 33% for 20 seconds, removes all snares and immobilizes and grants immunity to additional snares and immobilizes. Effects end when an attack is made.

New Effect:
Also removes all snares and immobilizations from affected allies and increases speed bonus.

**Elusive Mist**
Take 70% reduced damage from all sources and gain invulnerability to all healing magic and control effects for 4 seconds. Increases movement by 30%.

New Effect:
Increases movement speed in mist form.

This is all well and good, but the bigger problem is that you kind of NEED to be a vampire to be a top tier sneak attacker. I think that bothers me. I'm fine with having to earn it, and I suspect the Champion system will allow for this. What we need is a cap on the speed of movement while cloaked period. Maybe being a vampire helps you hit that cap, but I'd like to see it possible to hit the cap speed WITHOUT being a vampire. I think if they can do that, it'll solve the problem long term. In fact, I hope they do this with a lot of caps. For instance, I would love to see it possible to swim like an Argonian if you're a Khajit, with the right enchantment/set effects. I think this is as the core of what is the concern here.

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I've been running my NB like that for some time (RM + Elusive mist). I call it the "coward bar". The night's silence set really isn't needed as it only comes into play once you are fully stealthed and safe.

I tested Night's silence and found the risk too great that I wouldn't actually finish off my target compared to the bonuses of a decent set.

I play solo or duo and my streak record was something like 75 but I usually go with a KDR of 10-20 because I can't help but do silly stuff like mistform through zergs to try and get some to split off and chase. That costs me a bit. So does not finishing off your target when you're picking out one in a pack of 50.

edit: Bah didn't read properly. Anyway RM is broken. It doesn't provide immunity to roots. It hasn't for a long time now.

Yea I understand. What I meant by streak however was one kill after another within a short amount of time, usually 5-7 minutes and not a kill/death streak.

Jaxom wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Awdwyn wrote: »

Tested this. Vampire passive, NB concealed weapon, and the 5pc set bonus for Nights Silence all stack. Without concealed weapon my stealth is super fast, with concealed weapon I literally am running into walls and have a hard time maneuvering inside buildings in stealth.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ or whoever needs to know - is this intentional? If so, I can see it being a serious point of contention in PvP (even without the NB concealed weapon bonus),

Stacking with vampire is a little much, but at least it is on a 5 piece set.

I could totally see this being made to not stack with vampire though; without the vampire bonus it doesn't seem like it's that bad.

It's just that whole vampire-being-as-fast-as-though-they-weren't-sneaking part to begin with that really makes this bonus overbearing.

Yeah. I agree. You are giving up a 5 set just to move ridiculously fast in stealth. Concealed +Vampire is fast enough. I'll take a different 5 set (Hunding's anyone?) over it.

I do believe the 60% is equivilent to the Vampire passive. It gives people the ability to get fast stealth without being a vampire at the cost of a 5 piece set. I think that is fair.

I agree, I was using it post 1.3 but once I saw that you have to be HIDDEN and not just moving into stealth, or from what I could see use it with Dark Cloak, I've dropped it. I'd much rather have Seducer (medium) and Warlock (light and jewels) on my magic melee build and Hundings on my stamina build.

Nerfing Night's Silence is unfair to those who are not a vampire or nightblade, since it is the only way for them to boost their sneak speed. They just need to put a cap on sneak speed.