Awdwyn wrote: »

Ok using a mod that shows speed in units per second (UpS). Here's my results:

75 walking
250 running
360 sprinting
250 stealth (no set, no concealed, with vamp)
310 stealth (no set, concealed, vamp)
400 stealth (set, no conealed, vamp)
460 stealth (set, concealed, vamp)
~88 horse walking
290 horse running
360 horse sprinting
400 horse double sprint

The horse is a imperial edition 1g horse with all points in carry weight.

So the horse is still at 15% move speed?

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Awdwyn wrote: »

Ok using a mod that shows speed in units per second (UpS). Here's my results:

75 walking
250 running
360 sprinting
250 stealth (no set, no concealed, with vamp)
310 stealth (no set, concealed, vamp)
400 stealth (set, no conealed, vamp)
460 stealth (set, concealed, vamp)
~88 horse walking
290 horse running
360 horse sprinting
400 horse double sprint

The horse is a imperial edition 1g horse with all points in carry weight.

So the horse is still at 15% move speed?

That appears to be the case. 250 * 1.15 = 287.5 which is pretty close to the ~290 horse run speed.

Vamp + Concealed Weap + 5 Pc Night's Silence

I didn't do any fancy calculating but I did test it against a guild-mate on 2 horses for a long distance.

I easily outpaced him on his packmule horse.
On his speed horse (+60%), it was extremely close, I'd say I was a percent or so faster.

Also have full Medium Armor with Improved Sneak, which means I can go for a REALLY long time without worrying about Stamina running out.

I'm moving so fast that I go airborne walking down stairs instead of keeping my feet on them lol.

Zenimax, I only ask one thing: If you are going to nerf this, PLEASE do it soon so I don't get TOO used to being Speedy Gonzalez and if we're keeping it, can I have a "Meep Meep" emote?

aco5712 wrote: »

Does this work with cloak? Thats really the major problem here if it does. If not then its a bit crazy speed but its not as bad as i initally though but if it works with cloak then there are gonna be issues.

It DOES NOT..once you engage in combat, you dont have the set speed bonus, only the vampire passive one

I can see Vampire NBs carrying scrolls in sneak and the horse escort struggling to keep up. I'd expect every PvP NB that is the designated scroll carrier for his guild/group will have that set in his inventory and swap to it by pressing one button (Wykkyd's Outfitter) the second he is out of combat.

I personally don't think it should stack with Vamp skill, but that's just me.

So they can get from point A to point B faster while stealthed, but not while in combat. I don't see a problem either.

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

So they can get from point A to point B faster while stealthed, but not while in combat. I don't see a problem either.

I'm actually most interested in how it is going to allow me to catch people on horses with a Veiled Strike melee opener.

I made a full set of this in legendary medium, It'll be my armour of choice when going for a scroll grab.

Catch me if you can!

Awdwyn wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Awdwyn wrote: »

Ok using a mod that shows speed in units per second (UpS). Here's my results:

75 walking
250 running
360 sprinting
250 stealth (no set, no concealed, with vamp)
310 stealth (no set, concealed, vamp)
400 stealth (set, no conealed, vamp)
460 stealth (set, concealed, vamp)
~88 horse walking
290 horse running
360 horse sprinting
400 horse double sprint

The horse is a imperial edition 1g horse with all points in carry weight.

Humour me, do 1 test with path of darkness and retreating manoeuvres.

If you tell me the name of the add-on, I'll give you the speed on a level 50 Imperial Horse with all point on speed.

Someone cast rapid maneuv on me while I had the set, concealed weapon, and the vamp bonus. I hit 615 UpS.

I'll test the horse and revert tomorrow morning. Promise. I love theorycrafting.

I believe you can do even better with path of darkness btw but you probably didn't have it on your bar at the time I guess? I reckon you could hit almost 800

Geremias wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

okay well thank god for that.

Yeah, would be really OP...

I like the way it is: you sacrifice a 5 pieces set + the 40% armor debuff of Surprise Attack + taking 50% more fire damage and have low HP regen = to have a huge sneak speed bonus that wont help you in combat. Seens fair to me.

Indeed.... that's exactly how I think of it too.

MrMT wrote: »

Seems to me the real problem here is vampires.

Aint it always.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Awdwyn wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Awdwyn wrote: »

Ok using a mod that shows speed in units per second (UpS). Here's my results:

75 walking
250 running
360 sprinting
250 stealth (no set, no concealed, with vamp)
310 stealth (no set, concealed, vamp)
400 stealth (set, no conealed, vamp)
460 stealth (set, concealed, vamp)
~88 horse walking
290 horse running
360 horse sprinting
400 horse double sprint

The horse is a imperial edition 1g horse with all points in carry weight.

Humour me, do 1 test with path of darkness and retreating manoeuvres.

If you tell me the name of the add-on, I'll give you the speed on a level 50 Imperial Horse with all point on speed.

Someone cast rapid maneuv on me while I had the set, concealed weapon, and the vamp bonus. I hit 615 UpS.

I'll test the horse and revert tomorrow morning. Promise. I love theorycrafting.

I believe you can do even better with path of darkness btw but you probably didn't have it on your bar at the time I guess? I reckon you could hit almost 800

For a stupid speed burst:
This set.
Conc Weapon.
Vampire Passive.
Path of Darkness.
RM
Mistform
Speed pot

I think, though, you might be moving too quickly to actually hit the mistform stealth speed before you ran out of path of darkness so you might have to lay it down, go back and get a run up.

Enjinir wrote: »

Here's an idea worth trying:

Primary Set:
Head/Chest/Shoulders/Legs/Main Hand: Preferred Combat Bonus (5-set)
Waist/Boots/Gloves/Off Hand: Night's Silence (4-set)

Secondary Set:
Head/Chest/Shoulders/Legs: Preferred Combat Bonus (4-set)
Waist/Boots/Gloves/Off Hand/Main Hand: Night's Silence (5-set)

Run RM, CW, and PoD on your secondary bar.

Now, you can swap to secondary to move about, then swap to primary for combat.

Again, you make the sacrifice of your secondary bar, but many don't even use it, and this may be a great use of it. You also avoid sacrificing your favorite combat set bonus for movement.

Yep, for me when wearing 5M/2L the preferred combat bonus is the 8% spell cost reduction of the seducer set. Add 2 spell cost reduction rings and I get almost the same cost reduction as wearing 7/7 light. As well as the stamina cost reduction, roll cost reduction and sneak cost reduction from medium.

Still debating if it's really worth it. Being a vamp, with concealed weapon and path of darkness I can already get some insane speed. If a teammate casts Retreating Manoeuvres I'm faster than Speedy Gonzales on steroids, in stealth. I might try it just for the giggles though.

DeLindsay wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

kieso wrote: »

whats the % increase to sneak with the vamp passive?

Vampire passive makes it so that sneak speed does not receive a penalty -- I move the same speed as when I am walking.

Nightblade Concealed Weapon makes me move at almost sprinting speed while crouched, as a Vampire.

Theoretically Night's Silence set will make Vampires sneak at 60% faster than normal walking speed, going by the wording on the set.

First, the penalty negation = run speed not walk speed. Second, we still can't confirm that the Night's Silence 60% will stack with Dark Stalker in Vampire. It can't at this time stack with Shadow Dancer because you can't wear 10 body pcs until they introduce Jewelry crafting.

If it does end up stacking with Dark Stalker then ALL Classes that are Vampires will be faster than Sprint, not just NB's. NB's will only have the option of an additional 25%. For non-Vampires, the 60% will bring non-NB's very close to normal run speed, and NB's who also slot Concealed Weapon should be at run speed, or basically Sneaking movement penalty negation.

All in all, this isn't remotely a NB-BE mechanic as NB's can still only be 25% faster than anyone else, and only if slotting Concealed Weapon (which many don't).

it stacks but it also doesnt work in combat. NB invis+invis potions dont break combat

oh and my source is personal testing. it's fun but once your in combat say goodby to that speed, invis potions dont make it work so they clearly thought about this one

Awdwyn wrote: »

Ok using a mod that shows speed in units per second (UpS). Here's my results:

75 walking
250 running
360 sprinting
250 stealth (no set, no concealed, with vamp)
310 stealth (no set, concealed, vamp)
400 stealth (set, no conealed, vamp)
460 stealth (set, concealed, vamp)
~88 horse walking
290 horse running
360 horse sprinting
400 horse double sprint

The horse is a imperial edition 1g horse with all points in carry weight.

I downloaded this addon (RavSpeed) and tested the set with a non-vampire alt.

Running: 250
Sneak with no set: 150
Sneak with set: 240

My alt doesn't have concealed weapon, but I think we can extrapolate that the set bonus is just slightly less than vampire; a Nightblade with the set and Concealed Weapon should be just slightly slower than a Nightblade Vampire with the Concealed Weapon but no set.

For me this means making a decision between:
Keep vampire
Use set for speed boost (faster than Concealed Weapon)
Swap Concealed Weapon morph to Surprise Attack morph for more lethality.

or:
Cure vampire
Use set and Concealed Weapon for speed boost (move roughly the same speed as I did before the update)
Swap my Fire Resistance enchantment for something else on jewelry
Not look ugly as sin as a vampire (biggest selling point)

Vampire with a set is a more powerful option, but I might consider getting cured anyway. I really don't like the ugly ass skin and eyes. xD

I'm glad they put this set in though; I'm also glad it is relatively more balanced than it appeared to be by the description alone.