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Templar changes.....
Will the Templar get some improvements soon? I was told, during game play, that the class was getting looked at and a few buffs were in the mix. Nightblades keep saying they need improvements, and probably do, but constantly state that Templars are an easy kill for them...that's says a lot about Templars(((
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✭you´re doing sth wrong then - sure you cant win a dmg race vs a NB as a templar but thats not how temps should be played. NB have a hell of a time trying to kill my temp and normally its decided by who gets reinforces first if the opponent don´t give up...spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭✭Anyone complaining about templar for anything besides high end group pve dps output are wrong. Templar is a beast and actually the class most suited to succeed in PVE/PVP with any type of build.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭✭✭Anyone complaining about templar for anything besides high end group pve dps output are wrong. Templar is a beast and actually the class most suited to succeed in PVE/PVP with any type of build.
I couldn't disagree more. Not that the Templars are a bad class but "the most suited to succeed"? How did you come to that conclusion?
Is it by the lack of Templars in the PvP rankings which are dominated by DKs, Sorcs and NBs? The fact that every PvP Group uses them almost exclusively as healers? Is it by their inferior DPS and sustainability which is evident in both PvP and PvE? Is it the lack of any decent group synergies?
Other than being healers of course, they have good survivability when soling in PvP. They can outlast people who try to burst them down. They also make decent tanks. That's about it though. Best suited for PvE and PvP, I think not.Edited by Maulkin on July 31, 2014 2:57PMEU | PC | AD2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Only thing, in my opinion, that templars need right now is for restoring aura / radiant aura to also boost magicka regeneration, and for repentance to restore magicka on use as well as the stamina/health it currently restores.
Those would solve the magicka issue templars have (dps and healing alike). Everything else seems pretty good to me right now.PS4 / NA
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✭✭kherzaheb17_ESO wrote: »
I said besides group pve dps.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Anyone complaining about templar for anything besides high end group pve dps output are wrong. Templar is a beast and actually the class most suited to succeed in PVE/PVP with any type of build.
I couldn't disagree more. Not that the Templars are a bad class but "the most suited to succeed"? How did you come to that conclusion?
Is it by the lack of Templars in the PvP rankings which are dominated by DKs, Sorcs and NBs? The fact that every PvP Group uses them almost exclusively as healers? Is it by their inferior DPS and sustainability which is evident in both PvP and PvE? Is it the lack of any decent group synergies?
Other than being healers of course, they have good at survivability when soling in PvP. They can outlast people who try to burst them down. They also make decent tanks. That's about it though. Best suited for PvE and PvP, I think not.
I kinda misspoke when I said most suited to succeed. What I really meant was they do quite well with stamina builds compared to other classes. Again, I know they don;t have the high end group pve dps with any kind of build but I'm laughing if you think they are only heal bots in PVP. PVP templars have it good right now and they are only going to get more buffs in the short term.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭✭Templars lack in PVE DPS and magicka management. I also find them more linear if you decide to do DPS, whereas other classes lend themselves more to experimenting with offensive abilities.
What I hate is when people try to argue that templars are a "jack of all trades" and therefore should never match the DPS of other classes. The entire mantra of this game is "play how you want," so really, every class should fit that description. Every class should be equally viable in every role. Templars are great in some, but really lacking in a couple of them.EP: Slania Isara : Harambe Was an Inside Job6 -
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i´m unsure in this regard, spellcrafting will let them lose alot of ground in terms of healing and mitigation while not getting any dps increasements in an amount needed to compete as that would make strong dps classes even more powerfull.PVP templars have it good right now and they are only going to get more buffs in the short term.
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✭✭✭I kinda misspoke when I said most suited to succeed. What I really meant was they do quite well with stamina builds compared to other classes. Again, I know they don;t have the high end group pve dps with any kind of build but I'm laughing if you think they are only heal bots in PVP. PVP templars have it good right now and they are only going to get more buffs in the short term.
Alright, but to be fair being the best stamina build class is like being the one-eyed among the blind. In the two-eyed world of dresses and staves things are different.
I dunno man, at the moment, in large pvp group settings I only see them as heal monkeys. Like I said they can hold out on their own pretty well though. Sure things will change in the near future but right now they're decent I think, but far from the best.Edited by Maulkin on July 31, 2014 3:22PMEU | PC | AD1 -
Akula✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I kinda misspoke when I said most suited to succeed. What I really meant was they do quite well with stamina builds compared to other classes. Again, I know they don;t have the high end group pve dps with any kind of build but I'm laughing if you think they are only heal bots in PVP. PVP templars have it good right now and they are only going to get more buffs in the short term.
Alright, but to be fair being the best stamina build class is like being the one-eyed among the blind. In the two-eyed world of dresses and staves things are different.
I dunno man, at the moment, in large pvp group settings I only see them as heal monkeys. Like I said they can hold out on their own pretty well though. Sure things will change in the near future but right now they're decent I think, but far from the best.
So what your saying is that the Templar is fine, the problem lies in the divide between stamina and majica builds and stave and dress op'nes?1 -
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✭Anyone complaining about templar for anything besides high end group pve dps output are wrong. Templar is a beast and actually the class most suited to succeed in PVE/PVP with any type of build.
garbage. in pvp all you can do is either heal bot or bunker and this is where some folk mistakenly think templars are good in pvp. You can build to "not die" but in that you dont kill anything.
so like some NB's think cos its hard to kill bunker temps they are powerful. but that bunker templar cant kill you unless your stupid enough to bash away at the big glowy shields.
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✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I kinda misspoke when I said most suited to succeed. What I really meant was they do quite well with stamina builds compared to other classes. Again, I know they don;t have the high end group pve dps with any kind of build but I'm laughing if you think they are only heal bots in PVP. PVP templars have it good right now and they are only going to get more buffs in the short term.
Alright, but to be fair being the best stamina build class is like being the one-eyed among the blind. In the two-eyed world of dresses and staves things are different.
I dunno man, at the moment, in large pvp group settings I only see them as heal monkeys. Like I said they can hold out on their own pretty well though. Sure things will change in the near future but right now they're decent I think, but far from the best.
So what your saying is that the Templar is fine, the problem lies in the divide between stamina and majica builds and stave and dress op'nes?
Yes and no.
Yes - Light & Staves are much better than stamina. Like, duh!
No - The Templar does need some buffs of sorts. The class has too many skills that are long channels and expensive and it has very little in the way of magicka recovery.
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✭✭✭Anyone complaining about templar for anything besides high end group pve dps output are wrong. Templar is a beast and actually the class most suited to succeed in PVE/PVP with any type of build.
garbage. in pvp all you can do is either heal bot or bunker and this is where some folk mistakenly think templars are good in pvp. You can build to "not die" but in that you dont kill anything.
so like some NB's think cos its hard to kill bunker temps they are powerful. but that bunker templar cant kill you unless your stupid enough to bash away at the big glowy shields.
Don't even get me started on moaning NBs. Best class by a mile for end-game PvE, one of the best solo-play PvP classes, 2nd only to DKs in group-PvP, yet so many still moan about being underpowered.
Deep breath....M'kay, I'm calm again
Edit: I did have the fortune of playing with one of the best PvP DPS Templars in the game. But he was heavily reliant on Destro Staff and more so Vampirism for both DPS and survivability. He used a total of 2 Templar abilities among his 12 slotted skills and ulties. They were Blazing Shield and Explosive Charge.Edited by Maulkin on July 31, 2014 3:51PMEU | PC | AD1 -
Gremlis✭✭The Templar class was the one I maxed first while not even understanding the dps mechanics. I did it with a scrappy build, lame equipment and ability. This is why they claim its more player than build. I quickly got passed by all the botters this game seemed content on allowing for the first 2 mos. Once they hit vr12 they all had to go back and learn how to play their toons and get achievements they passed over while they were at work/school and still getting exp and loot off botting.0
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kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭There are templars pulling 800+ sustained dps in trials they are not exactly gimped.
I think they are one of the strongest classes people just don't understand how to play them. Here is a hint biting jabs is not the only skill a templar has!3 -
zmanu✭✭✭There are templars pulling 800+ sustained dps in trials they are not exactly gimped.
I think they are one of the strongest classes people just don't understand how to play them. Here is a hint biting jabs is not the only skill a templar has!
Would you mind linking a video?
EDIT: A templar pulling 800 dps is not that remarkable when the other classes can pull well over 1k dps.
As far as cyrodiil goes, almost all of the guys with decent templar builds are heavily reliant on vampire skills, I'm not saying the other classes aren't doing this but take vampire away and the average templar sure is a lot weaker than the average Joe of any other class.
I'm looking forward to trying a stamina build once the update hits, at least on paper there is a possibilty templars can create some beastly stamina builds.
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✭There are templars pulling 800+ sustained dps in trials they are not exactly gimped.
I think they are one of the strongest classes people just don't understand how to play them. Here is a hint biting jabs is not the only skill a templar has!
while nbs are able to do 1.4k+ (singletarget)... so yes the dps is rubbish. pve wise we are compleatly fu..... you take templars in pve for firsttime runs as a healer(burst heailing is quite handy when not knowing what is going to happen but when the dungeons are well known they are subed by NB healers as they are able to deliver 10x more dmg while healing as much as a templar...) or as a tank but never as a DD.
in pvp thx to the healing potential we are able to outlast nearly everyone and win by doing so but thats it (outside of bugs wich are fixed sooner or later).spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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He specifically said aside from high end group pve DPs. Which includes trials genius.kherzaheb17_ESO wrote: »
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Templars lack in PVE DPS and magicka management. I also find them more linear if you decide to do DPS, whereas other classes lend themselves more to experimenting with offensive abilities.
What I hate is when people try to argue that templars are a "jack of all trades" and therefore should never match the DPS of other classes. The entire mantra of this game is "play how you want," so really, every class should fit that description. Every class should be equally viable in every role. Templars are great in some, but really lacking in a couple of them.
Play how u want does not imply that everything can do anything and everything is perfectly equal! Wtf. it means they are limiting artificial barriers like equip limitations so you can play any option they offer. You still have to try options to develope the best thing for your play style. If every class was cookie cutter matches nobody would play it.0 -
There are templars pulling 800+ sustained dps in trials they are not exactly gimped.
I think they are one of the strongest classes people just don't understand how to play them. Here is a hint biting jabs is not the only skill a templar has!
Would you mind linking a video?
EDIT: A templar pulling 800 dps is not that remarkable when the other classes can pull well over 1k dps.
As far as cyrodiil goes, almost all of the guys with decent templar builds are heavily reliant on vampire skills, I'm not saying the other classes aren't doing this but take vampire away and the average templar sure is a lot weaker than the average Joe of any other class.
I'm looking forward to trying a stamina build once the update hits, at least on paper there is a possibilty templars can create some beastly stamina builds.
This is simply not true. At v12 I cured vamp for PvP and am much stronger. Loved vamp for crushing solo pve as temp though.0 -
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✭dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »
Play how u want does not imply that everything can do anything and everything is perfectly equal! Wtf. it means they are limiting artificial barriers like equip limitations so you can play any option they offer. You still have to try options to develope the best thing for your play style.
And what if your playstyle is high-end PvE DPS?
Templars are 'just slower... by design'
Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
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✭kherzaheb17_ESO wrote: »
you cant determining a whole class on 2 dungeons, just because u dont do the highest dps, templars has the best heals in game, should we complain about that then as well, for others that dont....No0 -
zmanu✭✭✭dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »There are templars pulling 800+ sustained dps in trials they are not exactly gimped.
I think they are one of the strongest classes people just don't understand how to play them. Here is a hint biting jabs is not the only skill a templar has!
Would you mind linking a video?
EDIT: A templar pulling 800 dps is not that remarkable when the other classes can pull well over 1k dps.
As far as cyrodiil goes, almost all of the guys with decent templar builds are heavily reliant on vampire skills, I'm not saying the other classes aren't doing this but take vampire away and the average templar sure is a lot weaker than the average Joe of any other class.
I'm looking forward to trying a stamina build once the update hits, at least on paper there is a possibilty templars can create some beastly stamina builds.
This is simply not true. At v12 I cured vamp for PvP and am much stronger. Loved vamp for crushing solo pve as temp though.
Sure it is
, Almost is the key word here.
Templars lack the semi spammable Ultimate that switches the tide of battle, like the other classes have., Nova is way too expensive and crescent sweep way too weak. Batswarm fit's nicely in and works well with the other templar abilities.
Mistform gives you mobility.0 -
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✭My templar has a tank build and a healer build and they are a lot better then they used to be. But I can't make a DPS build that gets anywhere near a sorc, but ok I guess..... I guess my my class templar is 'healer first, tank second, dps third.
Sorc is dps first, healer second, tank third
DK is tank first, dps second, healer third
NB is.......stuffed, why did we go with four classes again but only three roles? Arr, we had to give someone invis....
Anyway, I like the improvements to the templar, but magic management is an issue, (if it was not I could do dps close to a sorc) but I guess that's part of the balance.
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I sure they do, I leveled a templar, sorc, and DK to V12 (my NB I stopped at 39, I just could not do it anymore)Well, @Natjur, Sorc makes a fantastic tank. Also, nightblades can make very effective healers, and I hear tanks, but I'll believe it when I see it.
I prefer to play my templar and I have tried to make all classes and try out all roles on each. But in the end, I prefer my templar.
But yes, I did tank a few vet dugns on my sorc and was impressed.
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✭✭My templar has a tank build and a healer build and they are a lot better then they used to be. But I can't make a DPS build that gets anywhere near a sorc, but ok I guess..... I guess my my class templar is 'healer first, tank second, dps third.
Sorc is dps first, healer second, tank third
DK is tank first, dps second, healer third
NB is.......stuffed, why did we go with four classes again but only three roles? Arr, we had to give someone invis....
Anyway, I like the improvements to the templar, but magic management is an issue, (if it was not I could do dps close to a sorc) but I guess that's part of the balance.
I always wonder about these Templar claims of magicka management issues. As far as I know (personal experience, reading forums) every class is using Spell Symmetry for magicka management in group PVE DPS roles. Are Templar spells just that much more expensive to cast?You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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I always wonder about these Templar claims of magicka management issues. As far as I know (personal experience, reading forums) every class is using Spell Symmetry for magicka management in group PVE DPS roles. Are Templar spells just that much more expensive to cast?
I'll let other Templars speak to that in general, but I think the answer is, yes. Compare Nova to the DK Standard: if the Standard is 200, then Nova should be too; but it is actually 300 (the disparity was worse before they buffed Nova, but still the cost difference is quite large). That's an ultimate rather than a mana spell, of course, but it seems to hold true for a lot of Templar spells: they sure cost a lot.
My understanding is that Templar spells were increased in cost across the board in beta, then the Templar Restoring Spirit was nerfed, meaning that Templars had their costs increased and then their mana replenishment nerfed. One or the other would have been fine; both was disastrous for the class.
Edited by david.haypreub18_ESO on July 31, 2014 9:05PMTemplars are 'just slower... by design'
Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
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✭david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »
Play how u want does not imply that everything can do anything and everything is perfectly equal! Wtf. it means they are limiting artificial barriers like equip limitations so you can play any option they offer. You still have to try options to develope the best thing for your play style.
And what if your playstyle is high-end PvE DPS?
reroll :Pspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »
Play how u want does not imply that everything can do anything and everything is perfectly equal! Wtf. it means they are limiting artificial barriers like equip limitations so you can play any option they offer. You still have to try options to develope the best thing for your play style.
And what if your playstyle is high-end PvE DPS?
reroll :P
Yeah, I think that's essentially the point
If it is ok for Templars to be unable to fulfill one of the three roles, then which role can't a Sorceror do?
Because I've seen Sorcerors that can tank, ones that can heal and ones that can DPS.
Edited by david.haypreub18_ESO on July 31, 2014 9:19PMTemplars are 'just slower... by design'
Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
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