magnusnet wrote: »

Keep in mind the game is still in beta. When console comes out, it will be better & players will return to PC.

/blowraspberries

I think a large number of people who played initially and then leave are the ones who rushed through the game to the max levels, did what they could do with it, and have moved on to another game. These people will never come back. Even if the content was there from the beginning, they would have rushed through it, min maxed it, and still left, just maybe a week later. It has happened with Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. Heck, in those games, there were a large number of people who did little outside of the MQ.

What was left were the people like me, the ones who are either enjoying the experience of the game, or who savor the content and are in no rush to finish everything tonight. I think this series will have more of them staying longer than other MMO's do.

I have been playing steadily since release, so it is not like I am ignoring the game. I still have an entire Alliance to do, I have not finished the AD with any character, I have one DC character who has finished Coldharbor (but still has the last two MQ battles to finish up). I have not found all the lore books, have not researched all the traits, have not found all the dungeons and delves even in the areas that I have been spending time in. Based on Achievements, I still have a ton of PvE to do. Then, I might get around to doing PvP.

Srugzal wrote: »

I would agree with this completely, but would add one thing. Who freakin' CARES what the people who left the game think of it, and whether or not they will come back?

How about the devs and their bosses running Zenimax? In fact you should care too because in the long run less money for ZOS means less content for you.

So, you had two friends that burned out in Beta, another that exploited to V12 and had no challenge and another that didn't try any content after getting to V1.

This is the problem with avid fans that Beta hard. They don't disregard the time spent previous to launch and are overly critical after launch because to them it's not a "new" game...shrug.

This is a new game that's been taking subs for 3 months now. They've had a couple major content updates and a ton of balance and bug fixes with more of both on the way. The game is beautiful. I get in a PvP with hundreds of players at one keep and I still get over 12-15 fps. That's freaking unbelievable. Granted, I had 30fps a month ago under the same circumstances but still.

I believe this game will only improve from here and is going to have a long and prosperous life. I hope your with us throughout it...cheers.

My advice to everyone who wants to play this game: get 1 friend. have him spec into either healing or daedric summoning, while you play whatever you want (as long as it's in AD, because the other faction zones are boring). Faceroll all content from 1-50, and then ignore the vet ranks because they are a long, slow grind with no payout. And, since all this is do-able in one month, there is no need to maintain a subscription. Enjoy!

EDIT: oh, and don't forget to poke around cyrodiil, the only really good part of this game

Every update brings people back. This game will be populated once more!

jeevin wrote: »

The last couple of days I've talked with friends that left the game at various stages of play for various reasons to find out if the upcoming changes will sway them to coming back.
Out of the four friends with myself included(all huge Elder Scrolls fans) who started playing in beta. One never logged after launch and has no intentions of playing again. Another left after hitting 50 and has no intentions of coming back. The last friend left after grinding to VR12 and may come back when/if Dark Brotherhood gets released.
That leaves me with just over one week left on my sub. I've played most of the solo content available. I feel to get the most out of the upcoming changes I would really have to start again. But the game is so linear and themepark by design I can't really fathom going through all the same quests again.

Is anyone else feeling the same way? Are the changes too late to get the early leavers back? Are they enough to bring the game up to players, especially Elder Scrolls fans, expectations?

I really cant understand why people are saying its too late and they are quiting, you need to be subbed to post here so you are just answering your own question...? Duuuhhhh

Insignia91 wrote: »

Every update brings people back. This game will be populated once more!

Do please share where you got this information.

Vizier wrote: »

So, you had two friends that burned out in Beta, another that exploited to V12 and had no challenge and another that didn't try any content after getting to V1.

This is the problem with avid fans that Beta hard. They don't disregard the time spent previous to launch and are overly critical after launch because to them it's not a "new" game...shrug.

This is a new game that's been taking subs for 3 months now. They've had a couple major content updates and a ton of balance and bug fixes with more of both on the way. The game is beautiful. I get in a PvP with hundreds of players at one keep and I still get over 12-15 fps. That's freaking unbelievable. Granted, I had 30fps a month ago under the same circumstances but still.

I believe this game will only improve from here and is going to have a long and prosperous life. I hope your with us throughout it...cheers.

Actually the dude who left after beta just couldn't adjust to linearity and the how level gated the world is. And the one who did the grind to VR12 did so after level 50 because he wanted to pvp from the start but the game is poorly balanced for that. A lot of the players who left have valid reasons to do so, as the game had and still has major issues.

Just reading through the posts on this thread shows there are plenty of players enjoying the game and I'm glad because hopefully they will continue support it financially. And even those who aren't happy with it can't deny the game shows promise.

I just think it's a shame the game was released unfinished because there are just as many players who would of, but won't support it. And even if the game gets to be release worthy in six months these players are hardly likely to come back.

Nestor wrote: »

I think a large number of people who played initially and then leave are the ones who rushed through the game to the max levels, did what they could do with it, and have moved on to another game. These people will never come back. Even if the content was there from the beginning, they would have rushed through it, min maxed it, and still left, just maybe a week later. It has happened with Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. Heck, in those games, there were a large number of people who did little outside of the MQ.

What was left were the people like me, the ones who are either enjoying the experience of the game, or who savor the content and are in no rush to finish everything tonight. I think this series will have more of them staying longer than other MMO's do.

I have been playing steadily since release, so it is not like I am ignoring the game. I still have an entire Alliance to do, I have not finished the AD with any character, I have one DC character who has finished Coldharbor (but still has the last two MQ battles to finish up). I have not found all the lore books, have not researched all the traits, have not found all the dungeons and delves even in the areas that I have been spending time in. Based on Achievements, I still have a ton of PvE to do. Then, I might get around to doing PvP.

This is exactly what I think of the players Nestor that have left and continue to spew bile all over the internet about this game and probably every other MMO before it.

Serves them right for rushing through the quests and levelling as fast as possible and for what?

So now they get bored of the game after 3 months because their mates have got to max level and left because they thought erm what's there to do now, NOTHING because you were stupid enough to rush a game that is meant to be taken slowly and enjoyed, nobody thinks they are any better for reaching VR levels any quicker than anyone else it just means they most likely don't have a full time job and clearly don't have a social life if they are glued to your computer 24/7 getting frills out of getting to next level as fast as possible, drifting from MMO to MMO and getting no satisfaction out of any of them.

These people are always in the minority you get them in all games, hey look at me I am number one I have all the best gear, weapons etc and I beat all of you to max level when in reality nobody gives a s@#t.

These people are not the ones going to keep this game going for years the ones that keep this game going are the ones that take in the lore, scenery, quests and can get immersed in the game world and are looking forward to every update and realise that they will be the ones that see this game grow and are happy to wait it out because they enjoy the game.

This game is as busy as I have seen it since I started subscribing last month and it will only grow every month and will explode onto consoles at some point in the next year and will be massive guaranteed, you heard it hear first.

So haters go and max out some other MMO or go back to one of the others you probably said you would never go back to and stop spreading crap about a game that clearly doesn't deserve it, do not kid yourself that if the game just had those features that were announced at quakecon you would be so much happier and contented YOU WON'T and never will be.

Shergar wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I think a large number of people who played initially and then leave are the ones who rushed through the game to the max levels, did what they could do with it, and have moved on to another game. These people will never come back. Even if the content was there from the beginning, they would have rushed through it, min maxed it, and still left, just maybe a week later. It has happened with Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. Heck, in those games, there were a large number of people who did little outside of the MQ.

What was left were the people like me, the ones who are either enjoying the experience of the game, or who savor the content and are in no rush to finish everything tonight. I think this series will have more of them staying longer than other MMO's do.

I have been playing steadily since release, so it is not like I am ignoring the game. I still have an entire Alliance to do, I have not finished the AD with any character, I have one DC character who has finished Coldharbor (but still has the last two MQ battles to finish up). I have not found all the lore books, have not researched all the traits, have not found all the dungeons and delves even in the areas that I have been spending time in. Based on Achievements, I still have a ton of PvE to do. Then, I might get around to doing PvP.

This is exactly what I think of the players Nestor that have left and continue to spew bile all over the internet about this game and probably every other MMO before it.

Serves them right for rushing through the quests and levelling as fast as possible and for what?

So now they get bored of the game after 3 months because their mates have got to max level and left because they thought erm what's there to do now, NOTHING because you were stupid enough to rush a game that is meant to be taken slowly and enjoyed, nobody thinks they are any better for reaching VR levels any quicker than anyone else it just means they most likely don't have a full time job and clearly don't have a social life if they are glued to your computer 24/7 getting frills out of getting to next level as fast as possible, drifting from MMO to MMO and getting no satisfaction out of any of them.

These people are always in the minority you get them in all games, hey look at me I am number one I have all the best gear, weapons etc and I beat all of you to max level when in reality nobody gives a s@#t.

These people are not the ones going to keep this game going for years the ones that keep this game going are the ones that take in the lore, scenery, quests and can get immersed in the game world and are looking forward to every update and realise that they will be the ones that see this game grow and are happy to wait it out because they enjoy the game.

This game is as busy as I have seen it since I started subscribing last month and it will only grow every month and will explode onto consoles at some point in the next year and will be massive guaranteed, you heard it hear first.

So haters go and max out some other MMO or go back to one of the others you probably said you would never go back to and stop spreading lies about a game that clearly doesn't deserve it just because you levelled to fast and have nothing to do.

Dude, people say this in every game. And ride it to the bottom of the ocean like the orchestra on the titanic.

The fact is, this game has a terrible reputation amongst people who've never played it, much less with people who didn't return after beta or played at release and have left. And for good reason. As is usually the story, it released unfinished and in a state of gross imbalance. The "unfinished" part is getting better with every patch. The "imbalance" part is not in any significant way, as the half year mark approaches, and that is a serious problem.

It's one thing for a game to not be someone's cup of tea. It's completely another for it to lack any semblance of balance this far into release and to be an unviable choice for a great many gamers entirely masse because it lacks the basics of what most MMO gamers expect from a AAA MMO.

You can put on your rose colored glasses and offhandedly dismiss critics as being those who rushed to endgame (which is an absurd argument at this point anyway given how long the game has been live and how easy it is) but the fact is, an MMO can't just be a role play simulator like single player games are. There is more to playing an MMO than exploring, crafting, and reading quest text and things like class balance and end game content matter. A lot.

I dunno, I said no earlier, that it wasnt too late, but since then I reached vet levels and had to make the choice whether to continue on with my main or to start an alt in the new zone instead. I stayed with my main but its kinda no fun anymore as I wont get to enjoy a new class unless I want to redo all the quest material which isnt fun for me.

the update addresses this to some extent but to be honest I am having a hard time logging into the game anymore, it not due to any big problems or anything.. Im just kinda bored with it all. I guess I'll give the update a try and see how that goes but things that I thought were so important in game like crafting, enchanting, leveling my horse etc... just dont seem to matter. I do enjoy the slow leveling, quests and exploration but dont think its enough. I still have some months sub left to get back into it, so ill see

magnusnet wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't play an MMO like some sort of racecar driver trying to get to the finish line as fast as possible? I've been playing since April and am still not even at Vet rank. Yet I see these gameplay videos online of players just running through the game like coked-up madmen, skipping every bit of dialogue and just going from fight to fight at breakneck speed, desperately trying to get XP as fast as possible, as if Vet12 is their one and only objective in the game.

So yeah, I guess if you played like that, the game would get boring at the end. But then again, if you played like that, it would be pretty boring at the beginning and middle too.

I'm sure there must be others like me though--who actually take the time to follow the story, follow the sidequests, listen to the dialogue, explore for exploration's sake, craft and trade, etc. And I'm certainly not bored yet.

Hell, sometimes I'll just sit around around dolmens and world bosses watching the fights.

Well it depends on what you want from the game and if you want to be competitive with other players. I leveled my main to VR12 in less than a month, grinding from lvl 35 to VR12, because I know that the earlier you're on top, the easier it is to be competitive. I've been taking my time to play with an alt, enjoy the game while still enjoying competitive gameplay with my max leveled character.

Sad thing about most MMOS is that once you've got players that are far ahead, you can't keep up with them if you take things slowly & actually enjoy the game. It takes an incredible amount of time to search for the best sets to suit your gameplay or to adapt your gameplay so it's op, it takes even more time to actually find the sets like the epic sets you get from trial runs that drop randomly, the warlock set or the PVP sets like Syrabane (nerf inc) set for DKs.

After some time, the gap is so huge, that most games end up implementing player & XP buffs to help new players get closer to the competitive ones at a fast pace (I know it's like it for Lineage II and I think it's also the case for WOW).

If you enjoy the game taking it slow, then don't feel bad or alone or concerned about people that rush to end game but don't expect to be able to compete at high level by doing so.

It's all a matter of personal preferences and choices

This. This exactly.

The problem is, in the 3ish months I've been on these forums, it always seems to be the "stop and smell the roses" players who always have something to say about anyone who doesn't play that way. There seems to be this general disdain for anyone who likes getting to endgame and playing there as if that alone is the cause of every problem in a game and the provenance of the evil and dreaded "elitists." I've never once seen anyone at high levels talk down to lower level players or any of the "elitism" that we are all supposed to be paranoid about, yet you can't throw a rock here without hitting a "you rushed to endgame!" post. It's ridiculous.

"Play the way you want" isn't just farting around at low levels forever and whatever it is these people who have, somehow, not made it to vet content like to do. It also includes getting to endgame and having something to do there. In a balanced and rewarding play environment.

Which is the chief problem with this game, unfortunately. They concentrate too much on fluff and icing that they can discuss in panel discussion at Marketing events and not enough on the cake. And so does a lot of the player base, apparently, but that doesn't change the fact that people who play games for substance not fluff have not returned since beta, quit, or never even played at all. And it has nothing to do with them "doing it wrong" as some here would like to believe.

Fleymark wrote: »

Dude, people say this in every game. And ride it to the bottom of the ocean like the orchestra on the titanic.

Yes, because no one plays Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim anymore....


All these things were said by the Min-Maxers before about all 3 of these titles. They all left, and the games are still being played, more importantly being bought and played.