You're not forced into that unless you insist on questing as your only way of gaining experience. There is Craglorn and there is PvP. ZOS can't possibly create enough quests to keep everybody busy playing an eternal solo game.

I hear you man, I hate questing and have been forced to for most of the game. They are fixing it so you can PvP and do Dungeons to level so maybe they will fix this also. Forcing players to do the other factions quests sucks. I have done every boss and dungeon in the first place and now I am slogging through the quests to get to AD. I hate it sooo much. It is sooo boring. I just want to run through the other zones doing those dungeons and bosses ... and not a single damn quest .. I don't even care if I miss some skill points. I would gladly give up 15 skill points to never have to quest again!

I'd have been happier to go there if the story made some actual sense and didn't feel like someone thought up the idea 2 days before launch.

I was like, so er wait so er wut, have I time traveled, why are the anchors still here, wait so now I'm HELPING the enemy and killing the people I was just sided with!?

grimjim398 wrote: »

You're not forced into that unless you insist on questing as your only way of gaining experience. There is Craglorn and there is PvP. ZOS can't possibly create enough quests to keep everybody busy playing an eternal solo game.

Read the whole post before replying. You are forced to do the quests if you want skyshards from the next set of zones.

100% disagree, this is a questing game, always has been and probably always will be. And to get a well put together character you need to get all the points from quests, all the shards, all the public dungeon points, all the group dungeon points and PvP points etc. Plus it is actually fun to be doing quests rather than just grinding things over and over again.

Enjoy the journey.

Not sure how else you expect to do it either? Just roll an alt and select 'skip game' and come out at VR12 with all available points in the bank? Plus free end game gear and materials? Plus all skills and morphs?

Where is the fun in bypassing the whole game?

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Sorry to say, but if you hate questing that much this unfortunately is the wrong game for you. Questing will always be present in TES titles and a major factor.

Fun fact: completing quests never contributed to levelling up in previous TES games or locked us out of a third of gameworld.

In any case, I agree with the OP. The requirement for entering the third faction is unnecessary. It's going to be a problem for me as well, because I have no intention of working for enemy factions, I just want to do dungeons and get skyshards. I don't see any reason for locking half of veteran zones behind a lengthy questline other than artificially prolonging our game time.

Kiljaz wrote: »

Plenty of other ways to do it. This is a 'play it your way' game, not a questing game.

Not if you want to unlock regions 2 & 3 as the OP seems to want but plenty of ways to get XP if you want to grind for it just to get to the top ranks.

Rosveen wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Sorry to say, but if you hate questing that much this unfortunately is the wrong game for you. Questing will always be present in TES titles and a major factor.

Fun fact: completing quests never contributed to levelling up in previous TES games or locked us out of a third of gameworld

Try getting dragon shouts in Skyrim without doing the Greybeard quests, try owning or building a house without making a Jarl happy, trying becoming a vamp or werewolf without at least starting some questlines.

Same partial locks on content applied in Oblivion, Morrowind & Daggerfall.

You could roam more freely but you could not get at all content.

And I like the quest bar for VR areas, it keeps the bots out.

seneferab16_ESO wrote: »

Kiljaz wrote: »

Plenty of other ways to do it. This is a 'play it your way' game, not a questing game.

True. Plenty of ways to gain XP and level up.
Unfortunately there's not plenty of ways to reach the third VR faction and it's skyshards. There is absolutely no "play it your way" about that.

Yes, that was my point. Plenty of ways to get get exp... Was a response, I should of used quote lol.

I'm the OP lol...

Limbus wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

They are updating the veteran system and changing it into a champion system incrementally.

Before you create useless and senseless topics you should be up to date with future plans of the devs.

Sorry to say, but if you hate questing that much this unfortunately is the wrong game for you. Questing will always be present in TES titles and a major factor.

Who knows when that will be though, probably not before next year anyways, while the player base dwindles.

Seems quite healthy right now, i have spent the weekend fishing (yes... fishing) in my VR9/10 areas and have been quite surprised by the growth in population in the last month or so. It's too early to be Steam people so this must be the start of the majority who didn't rush through I suppose.

Kiljaz wrote: »

seneferab16_ESO wrote: »

Kiljaz wrote: »

Plenty of other ways to do it. This is a 'play it your way' game, not a questing game.

True. Plenty of ways to gain XP and level up.
Unfortunately there's not plenty of ways to reach the third VR faction and it's skyshards. There is absolutely no "play it your way" about that.

Yes, that was my point. Plenty of ways to get get exp... Was a response, I should of used quote lol.

I'm the OP lol...

Haha, sorry. Oops.

I love questing. Like other other have said, ZOS is changing the VR level system. TES games are built on the questing and story telling. May be that just not your play style, many of us who do enjoy that type of content.

AngryNord wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

it keeps the bots out.

Didn't they move on to Wildstar months ago?

Not enough BvB for them here?

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Kiljaz wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

They are updating the veteran system and changing it into a champion system incrementally.

Before you create useless and senseless topics you should be up to date with future plans of the devs.

Sorry to say, but if you hate questing that much this unfortunately is the wrong game for you. Questing will always be present in TES titles and a major factor.

Before you try to be smart, (obviously difficult), you should understand the future plans of the game.

Champion system does not replace veteran... Its in addition to. They're getting rid of VP and making veteran levels require experience so that the post ro leveling isn't "a change from pre-veteran content."

Thank you for your smart 'snip' useless comment.

I'm not trying to be smart here. I know what the Champion System is.

But one of the main reasons they are implementing it is, that they want to improve the questing experience - for people like you that do not enjoy it.

And it actually replaces the Veteran System as we know it now.

If you weren't trying to be rude, my sincere apologies. According to Paul Sage's interview, champion system is in addition to veteran levels. They want the leveling of veteran ranks to feel the same as pre VR, so they're getting rid of veteran points and having experience level your veteran ranks.

Champion levels are being added to give us character advancement, which the veteran ranks lack.

To everyone saying this is a questing game and they love questing, great, I'm happy for you. Quest away!

A large group of players view this as an AvA game and don't want to listen npcs talk.

Kiljaz wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Kiljaz wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

They are updating the veteran system and changing it into a champion system incrementally.

Before you create useless and senseless topics you should be up to date with future plans of the devs.

Sorry to say, but if you hate questing that much this unfortunately is the wrong game for you. Questing will always be present in TES titles and a major factor.

Before you try to be smart, (obviously difficult), you should understand the future plans of the game.

Champion system does not replace veteran... Its in addition to. They're getting rid of VP and making veteran levels require experience so that the post ro leveling isn't "a change from pre-veteran content."

Thank you for your smart 'snip' useless comment.

I'm not trying to be smart here. I know what the Champion System is.

But one of the main reasons they are implementing it is, that they want to improve the questing experience - for people like you that do not enjoy it.

And it actually replaces the Veteran System as we know it now.

If you weren't trying to be rude, my sincere apologies. According to Paul Sage's interview, champion system is in addition to veteran levels. They want the leveling of veteran ranks to feel the same as pre VR, so they're getting rid of veteran points and having experience level your veteran ranks.

Champion levels are being added to give us character advancement, which the veteran ranks lack.

To everyone saying this is a questing game and they love questing, great, I'm happy for you. Quest away!

A large group of players view this as an AvA game and don't want to listen npcs talk.

I was not trying to be rude.

Like I said before they are changing the whole experience. Also you can level up even faster In PVP (I think).

But if you really detest quests (and the quests in eso are a lot more entertaining than in other mmos) this is not the right game for you.

PVE in ESO = Questing, Dungeons / trials

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

The quests would completely make sense in the VR zones if:

1. Characters that were present in the main story line were given different appearances and names.

2. Any reference to not having a soul were switched to something along the lines of great power/strength of will/magical knowledge/etc.

3. References to Dark Anchors/The Planemeld were changed to "Molag-Bal's-waning-influence-in-the-wake-of-his-defeat-at-your-hands-and-what's-left-of-the-Worm-Cult-is-trying-to-hold-it-together".

Whaddya' think?

Yeah, it seems not to be logical. But Cadwell actually tells you something so it fits into the story / lore.