Suggestion - Inspect Player

Jordon987
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Hello fellow players,

My suggesting is when you want to interact with a player you bring up a menu which has all the options (Add friend, Report player etc.)

Why not add another option "Inspect player" This would allow you to view what armour and weapons they have equipped, The player can decide whether they would like to share their armour and weapons by enabling it within the settings menu.

I think this would make the game a teeny tiny bit more interesting and also allow us to view their armour.

Many thanks,

Jordon
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  • AlexDougherty
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    Quite a few people are opposed to this, they say it makes it easier for elitists to reject people for groups based on their gear.
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  • maurotdo
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    In the last Q&A session, they said they would like to add it if "they had infinite resources", but at the moment "it's not on the radar".
    So, as there are no plans for it, it won't be coming anytime soon.
  • Akiainavas
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    No. I don't want this. This is the first step to WoW-like "Elitis Item Level" oriented community which is a complete cr..p. And with season gear coming ? Just imagine what would happen. And the problem with enabling it would be - if you disable it, elitist groups will immediately assume it's low and put you in the noob bucket.

    Want to see somebody's gear ? Ask them, and I'm sure they'll be more than happy to show it to you.
    Edited by Akiainavas on July 25, 2014 9:11AM
  • KhajitFurTrader
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    Anyone can view the armor of everyone just by looking at it. ;)

    If the need to know what kind a particular piece is arises, one could always ask nicely. Social interaction is not a new concept in MMOs, despite claims to the contrary. ^_^

    Character inspection and all it entails can and will have detrimental effects on said social interactions, as @Akiainavas‌ has already stated. Most people who are opposed to it have seen the negative effects firsthand. We see them in other games and might have learned to put up with them there; we just don't want this game to become like those, too.
  • pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO
    Anyone can view the armor of everyone just by looking at it. ;)

    Nope. Some people wear costumes :wink:
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  • Liquid_Time
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    I support this.

    If not being selected by an "elitist" group is your reason for saying no.. Then that is just awful. Not sure about you, but if I must prove myself based off the gear I use. Then to be recruited for said group is not something I would be interested in. Simple as that.
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  • fromtesonlineb16_ESO
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    Akiainavas wrote: »
    No. I don't want this. This is the first step to WoW-like "Elitis Item Level" oriented community which is a complete cr..p.
    This game reached well beyond that weeks ago with shouts for AA demanding the AA achievement and specific gear sets and enchants.

    It always makes me laugh when people object to this, especially when they start waffling on about 'privacy' .. you didn't, I know, but when this issue comes on an all the forums I've ever used someone will come up with that.

    You also get the special snowflakes who don't want this so other can't copy the snowflakes' 'unique' gear/dye combinations .. expect to see that argument used when dyes come in as well.

    It's sad so many people fear this, they're so insecure I guess. Personally I don't give a toss if you inspect me or not, if you consider me unacceptable to join your group based on what you see then I'm damned sure I don't want to play with you anyway: the 'you' here is the general 'you', not you specifically. :)
    Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on July 25, 2014 9:51AM
  • Arthur_Spoonfondle
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    No, it adds nothing useful to the game, just causes the problems already pointed out by others above.

    The last thing any right thinking person wants to see is for ESO to gradually turn into a WoW clone. Being able to inspect would be a step into that abyss.
  • KhajitFurTrader
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    Anyone can view the armor of everyone just by looking at it. ;)

    Nope. Some people wear costumes :wink:

    But even a costume can look so awesome that I might feel inclined to find out what it is and where to get it, and even in this case I could ask the person, instead of just inspecting ogling them anonymously. ^_^
  • fromtesonlineb16_ESO
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    No, it adds nothing useful to the game, just causes the problems already pointed out by others above.

    The last thing any right thinking person wants to see is for ESO to gradually turn into a WoW clone. Being able to inspect would be a step into that abyss.
    WOW wasn't the first game with this feature you know, why mention it?

    I guess, your knowledge of MMOs is limited and don't know what existed before 2004.
    Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on July 25, 2014 10:01AM
  • Kos
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    I don't think it's needed, but I don't think it's needed.
  • Sotha_Sil
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    There are 3 reasons why inspecting people could be implemented :

    - 1°) For looks : what is this look ? where is it from ?
    - 2°) For gear check : does he have purple gear ? green ?
    - 3°) Curiosity : this guy is using this set and this weapon. Why ? it seems interesting. Why shouldn't I use it ?

    All 3 reasons are valid.

    To the people saying they might get discriminated because they use this and that. I say : well - that might only happen for difficult instances (raids...) and in pugs groups so. I would suggest you find a guild where other people think like you do and everything will be fine.
    Edited by Sotha_Sil on July 25, 2014 10:13AM
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  • Kos
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    If you think it's ok to do a gear check why don't you go in public and start checking random people. There needs to be some privacy.
  • p_tsakirisb16_ESO
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    No, it adds nothing useful to the game, just causes the problems already pointed out by others above.

    The last thing any right thinking person wants to see is for ESO to gradually turn into a WoW clone. Being able to inspect would be a step into that abyss.
    WOW wasn't the first game with this feature you know, why mention it?

    I guess, your knowledge of MMOs is limited and don't know what existed before 2004.

    UO, DAOC, SWG and EVE never had that "elitism", and all these games came years before WoW.

    DAOC got that as side effect "elitism" years after WoW. The rest never.
    The only issue of DAOC was to get a pvp grp with a Champion, until 2006.

    Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on July 25, 2014 10:29AM
  • Jordon987
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    Kos wrote: »
    If you think it's ok to do a gear check why don't you go in public and start checking random people. There needs to be some privacy.

    Did you read my Original post?

    "The player can decide whether they would like to share their armour and weapons by enabling it within the settings menu."
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  • Kos
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    Jordon987 wrote: »
    Kos wrote: »
    If you think it's ok to do a gear check why don't you go in public and start checking random people. There needs to be some privacy.

    Did you read my Original post?

    "The player can decide whether they would like to share their armour and weapons by enabling it within the settings menu."

    Sorry I missed it, but I wasn't very serious anyway :smile: Now I agree with the option to have it, if the player could decide to disclose it.
  • Kilara
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    I actually quite like the feature.

    Yes, in some may cases it might lead to so-called "elitism", but in that case, toss 'em... I never felt it was detrimental to the games I played where it was a standard feature, eg. Lotro.

    But I just find it interesting to see what different kind of equip-builds people come up with, and can even be quite educational (you know - trying to learn as much about your class & build as you can ;)

    It also allows you to see a MUCH wider variety of items which are actually available in-game without having to search endlessly on various fan-sites for which staff would be best-suited to my build...

    I don't think a bit of "carrot-on-a-stick item-envy" has ever hurt anyone, and for the people who like it it adds a small competitive element. After all, that is - at least in part - what games are about ;)
  • KhajitFurTrader
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    Sotha_Sil wrote: »
    There are 3 reasons why inspecting people could be implemented :

    - 1°) For looks : what is this look ? where is it from ?
    - 2°) For gear check : does he have purple gear ? green ?
    - 3°) Curiosity : this guy is using this set and this weapon. Why ? it seems interesting. Why shouldn't I use it ?

    All 3 reasons are valid.
    The 3 reasons you've stated can all be solved perfectly by just asking the person in question. Asking in the case of No. 1) and 3) would even profit you or both more, because of the interactive information exchange; just seeing an item in an UI window doesn't necessarily tell you where it comes from, and asking someone why s/he chose a particular piece is certainly more educational.

    As for No. 2): even if there could be a valid, situational reason for you to know about another player's gear and/or its quality, it would just be plain rude to exclude them from any activity for this reason alone. Your suggestion that people who fear discrimination can go and find others who accept them (implying that you won't) expresses an elitist, excluding attitude. Of course, no one can and will force you to play together with absolutely anyone, but to rule out the very possibility a priori based on a gear check fosters just the kind of community a lot of people don't want to see come to pass here.
    Edited by KhajitFurTrader on July 25, 2014 11:05AM
  • Loco_Mofo
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    The only reason to add this is for gear check.

    I don't really see the need for it, but don't really care either.
  • Mondo
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    I would like to see what it is i dont want to see colour or enchant.
    I dont want WoW Gearscore here
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  • AelyinESO
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    Jordon987 wrote: »
    "The player can decide whether they would like to share their armour and weapons by enabling it within the settings menu."

    No, only if.... ^ this.
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  • Aprodite
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    Jordon987 wrote: »
    Hello fellow players,
    The player can decide whether they would like to share their armour and weapons by enabling it within the settings menu.


    Many thanks,

    Jordon

    With this I don't mind, have read too much whining about gear checks on forums, the games I played and seen ppl get kicked out of groups because of gear checks.

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  • Crumpy
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    Yeah the gear-queens get annoying
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  • Elsonso
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    The need for inspection is based simply on the answer to this question: Is ESO more a game of skill or a game of gear?

    If it is a game of gear, like my WOW experience, where the gear does the heavy lifting and if I get behind in my gear my survivability and DPS are significantly lower compared to everyone else, then yeah, gear inspection is a must. I not only need to know how my gear stands against everyone else, but they need to know how I stand compared to them.

    If it is a game of player skill, where the gear supplements the way that points were allocated and survivability and DPS depend on skill point allocation and what is placed on the action bar, then gear inspection is rather pointless.
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  • ebondeath
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    This suggestions always ruffles feathers, but I have no problem with it or a toggle option for it.

    I'm a very private person irl, but I don't understand the desire for privacy for a pixelated game character. Maybe if we had our credit card numbers and DOB embroidered in our armor...but apparently this is none of my business and I'm horribly rude because I just want to see what awesome threads somebody is rocking instead of talking about it. Oh well.
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  • Phantax
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    Jordon987 wrote: »
    Hello fellow players,

    My suggesting is when you want to interact with a player you bring up a menu which has all the options (Add friend, Report player etc.)

    Why not add another option "Inspect player" This would allow you to view what armour and weapons they have equipped, The player can decide whether they would like to share their armour and weapons by enabling it within the settings menu.

    I think this would make the game a teeny tiny bit more interesting and also allow us to view their armour.

    Many thanks,

    Jordon

    No... just No and No again !
    My reason for that is that it causes to many issues, the main one being elitism. You simply have too many people stroking their epeens, refusing to let people into groups if they can't inspect etc.
    Half of these idiots don't even realise that just having good gear doesn't make somebody a good player. I'd rather group with somebody in average gear who knows how to behave in a group and how to fulfil his role in a dungeon/raid !

    "Inspect gear"? Just elitism gone mad for those with epeens bigger than their IQs. Nah... no thanks

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  • Grand_Wazoo
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    I think even optional gear checking would lead to elitist grouping. With this game at this point, people are finding it hard to group for trials based on their class and choice of weapon; no need to add fuel to the fire with a gratuitous search of their personal belongings.
  • Tabbycat
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    It's bad enough players are requiring others to post their achievements or stating they can't be a specific class in order to join their group. We don't need to add gear standards to the list.
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  • TequilaFire
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    I don't need anyone to know I am not wearing underwear! :D
  • AlexDougherty
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    I don't need anyone to know I am not wearing underwear! :D

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