Nearly every OP DK build consists of having Dragons Blood and Scales.
i was going to put quotation marks over OP for sarcasm, but tbh it IS OP.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Do you have any actual builds for the PvP setups?

Not sure what you mean, I guess I can elaborate.

Primary resto staff
Scales, rock shield, healing springs, mutigen, ward ally utli Corrosive armor

2nd Destro staff
Scales, crushing, chains, talons, dragonblood ulti, banner

syrabane 5 piece set, 3 piece willows path. all gear purple weps legend trying to enchant for magicka

attributes 19 magic 30 health

AD and I home skull crusher for buffs, guest dawnbreaker. In PvP with food I have 3k+ hp ... it is a rather strong build, but like I said CC will wreck me. I've lost 1 1v1 so far vs a NB with full heavy and sword and board. stunned me until I died and I couldn't do any damage to him.

Currently playing as a DK (I'm a former VR12 Nightblade, but rerolled since I do not wish to rely upon stealth)
I run around with sword and board, as well as a two hander, my stats are 24 health and 25 stamina, my gear is fully stamina enchanted. Since I'm only VR 2 on this char, all pretty basic stuff.
I'm also a Vampire, which adds to my survivability, but to an extend also grants me extra weaknesses to fire, and the dreaded Silver Shards.

In Cyrodiil I usually run around with my sword and board, my abilities are:
-Puncture armor - Because, wearing plate, I do not get my armor penetration for free.
- Invasion - I like stunning, the longer the better.
- Defensive stance - Lasts longer then a mere four seconds, sadly enough only reflects one projectile. I wish I had the mana to use the reflective scales
- Green Dragon Blood - The very reason I rerolled a Dragonknight, an at will method to get health back is amazing, that it restores a third of the missing health and gets the passives flowing makes this one of the best skills in a Dragonknights arsenal. I just wish it didn't make me translucent.
- Igneous weapons - Yes, I get a nice fat damage buff on my weapons, -and- give it to other people? Despite the graphics another very nice addition.

In cyrodiil I hope to have my Igneous weapons active, when a fight commences, I usually try to get in a puncture armor, after an invasion, and if it looks the type to throw magic at me (the majority) I try to get defensive stance going, before switching bars.

Two hander!
-Burning embers - A cheap instant attack, with a potent dot, and a bit of a heal at the end, absolutely love it. (also reasonable ultimate regeneration)
-Stampede - Always a crit, thus guaranteed mediocre damage, and an immobilizing effect.
-Executioner - Something Dragonknights lack, fortunately, this ability is in the two hander tree, albeit rather underwhelming at best.
-Green Dragon blood - Because I want to live long enough to annoy that guy in the dress with his staff at least a bit.
-Invigorating drain - I run out of stamina fast, this helps me replenish the stamina, life, and grants me some ultimate. While stunning the other guy!

Once I'm VR 12 again, I'll probably go with Hundings Rage again, pretty much mandatory as a stamina weapon wielding person.

Still have to work out the rest of the details.
Though his build serves me very nicely in solo PVE, and one versus one PVP.
Exchanging the invasion for Burning breath allows me to tank without changing much around.

In regards to balance, I do not think Dragonknights are more powerful then Sorcerers. Together they pretty much rock PVP. I find it hard to judge Templars due to a complete lack of interest in the class, and Nightblades, while having their own niche definitely can do with some adjustments, adding more synergy between skills.

I believe it's a matter of perception and preference. DK has a very straight forward play style and is easily mastered. I have a NB main, loves the sneaky stuff and the heavy one shots. And when I play my Sorc and Temp alt, they offered a different play style and approach on mobs. Then I hop on my DK, there's not much thought about approach but rather simply run into everything and plow through.

It feels easier and more OP at first. But then again, as I progress with all alts, I basically can do the same thing with every alt. That's when all the alts show me that you can play any role with any class, and be OP just as long as you have mastered the trick.

The only OP players I know and acknowledge mastered all skills that they have, respected to different morphs and different skills, master all of them again, then respec for the builds they want.

These people carry 3-4 sets of armours and have an arsenal of weapons in the inventory. The only way they're OP is that they swap builds after they see the way the enemies play, and synergize with their team mate(s).

That being said, I have 5 distinct build concepts on my DK alt, and he carries minimum of 9 weapons with him at all times. the reason why they are concepts is because there's an objective and the skills will be swapped out should there be a slight change in enemies and goal.

Any class will be OP as long as you play the way you want and love the way you play. That's my thought.

I believe the builds you are most likely referring to because they are probably the two that most players have trouble with are the infinitank build and the standard DK 1h/s+resto build (can't find the link).

Im not going to post my build to prove a point. Like every other class dks were pushed towards two types of builds: tank, and pyromancer. When you look at it dks don't have the best aoe dmg or single target dmg, templars can also make better tanks then dks. We do how ever have the best functionality of class skills e.g. scales,talons,cinder storm,dragon blood,magma armor,standard etc. If these skills were to get nerfed further then they already have in the past few patches this would take away the only advantage dks have. Yes we are op in our way but so are the other classes in their own ways.

One great thing about this game is even if your class gets nerfed you can always swap all your good gear on to a fresh V12, no need to farm or rebuild as "bound" is account wide.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

It appears (at least to me) that this thread is proving its point - no one can seem to pinpoint what is "OP" about DKs in their current state.

For Bat Swarm, people were able to articulate the OP-ness very clearly: "Bat Swarm is being spammed due to the ability to stack ultimate reduction, along with high AoE ultimate gains, to keep it up continuously".

That is pretty precise.

Yet, I see nothing so "precise" about what, specifically, is OP about DKs, other than perhaps "Scales + Syrabane set bonus" combo.

Uhm, you running to conclusion pretty fast, eh? I don`t think DK is OP, or even too strong. But I do know that every DK I meet in PvP has invasion, scales, talons, whip, blood and banner on at least one bar.

I`d call that a pretty accurate description of skills so close to being mandatory, that one might think DK`s just have at least five skills so strong that almost everybody chose equipping them?!

I can assure you my DK build isn't OP even without displaying the build.

Why?

Because he is a duel weild stamina build with a touch of magica. He also has the majority of his points put into crafting and not combat at all. And with the nerf done to the chain pull ability I don't think he could fight his way out of a wet paper bag against another player because he has no range abilities now.

So although he can crawl his way through pre-VR content, I expect his adventure days may come to an end in a couple of more levels when he is in VR.

One Hand & Shield DKs are strong in PvP because the One Hand & Shield passives are very good in combination with a self-heal like Dragon Blood and the DK passive Iron Skin. Blocking greatly decreases all incoming damage for almost no stamina cost (sword and shield passive reduces block cost) while your enemies waste their ressources. Reflective Scales is a very powerful defensive spell too (allthough the DK quickly runs out of Magicka if he or she doesn't have the Syrabene set when using Reflective Scales; if anything is OP here, it's that set bonus in combination with the skill, not the skill itself; the DK has no escape skills so a skill like Reflective Scales by itself is fine, in my opinion).

Now, you would think that the great defense bonus of One Hand & Shield comes with the drawback of reduced offensive powers. But that's not at all the case. All DK class skills are still exactly as strong as they are with any other weapon (except for the Restoration Staff which would make some a bit stronger).

And then Shield Charge is one of the best if not the best stamina weapon skill for PvP (especially for a class whose class skills are almost exclusively melee range only). It teleports you to the enemy (more or less), deals damage and throws your enemy on the ground if they are not blocking/do not have immovable up/aren't immune to your cc at the moment. But both the "teleport" to the enemy and the damage part are almost guaranteed (if you can use the skill) for moderate stamina cost.


I've been playing a Bow/Restoration Staff DK as my main from launch until 2 days ago (did almost all PvE content [with the exception of trials which, obviously, I can't do with my build] and lots of PvP). Yesterday I started leveling One Hand & Shield just to try it out. It made a huge difference in PvP! I can kill groups of 2-3 veteran players now (if they aren't skilled) which with a bow as main weapon I've only been able to do a few times in weeks and months of PvP. It makes quite a difference, in my opinion.

So yes, One Hand & Shield DKs are strong, but still if you know what you're doing in PvP, you can easily beat them with 2 players of any build and class and in large groups they go down just like everyone else (it's not like they survive any longer if 3 or more enemies use an ulti on your group at the same time; there's no time there to use Dragon Blood and blocking doesn't help).

And Batswarm is OP on any class in PvP (hate those vampires )

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mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

It partly had to do with a bug that existed that by stacking CCs (Invasion+Talons), the CC break would bug out and you'd be stunned for 4 secs. Even though that is not DK specific and I've not seen it happen since the CC cooldown.

It still seems to happen, constantly, to me. In fact, patch 1.3 on the PTS seems to be addressing it: "Immunity granted by Break Free and the immunity given to you after you’re hit by a crowd control ability now provide immunity to all types of crowd control."

If the devs are doing that, I really doubt the problem is fixed.

The Reflective Scales + Syrabane is extremely good against purely ranged Sorcs, but that's being addressed in 1.3.

Again, we'll see if that works. But the fact that two of the things you said aren't a problem are actually still a problem suggests there are still problems with DKs.

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

It partly had to do with a bug that existed that by stacking CCs (Invasion+Talons), the CC break would bug out and you'd be stunned for 4 secs. Even though that is not DK specific and I've not seen it happen since the CC cooldown.

It still seems to happen, constantly, to me. In fact, patch 1.3 on the PTS seems to be addressing it: "Immunity granted by Break Free and the immunity given to you after you’re hit by a crowd control ability now provide immunity to all types of crowd control."

If the devs are doing that, I really doubt the problem is fixed.

The Reflective Scales + Syrabane is extremely good against purely ranged Sorcs, but that's being addressed in 1.3.

Again, we'll see if that works. But the fact that two of the things you said aren't a problem are actually still a problem suggests there are still problems with DKs.

You've told me this before and I showed you evidence in the form of a video between a templar and a DK. Templar got away every time.

If it's happening constantly to you, there must be something you're doing wrong. I'm not saying this in a patronising manner. I have a v12 DK and a v6 Sorc. I see people breaking the stun and then rolling away all the time. And likewise I do the same with both my sorc and my DK when it happens to me. The stun break currently does not remove the Talons, if you expect to CC break and the talons to go away, they won't. You have to CC break and then roll.

The fact they're changing this further is completely going to break the only form of attack left to the DK, but it is not an acknowledgement of a bug necessarily as you imply. I'm guessing here, but it's probably another "balancing change" for stamina classes. As a CC break and a roll would eat up 2/3 of your stamina you'd have no stamina left to attack

You see a problem with Scales, and I do to but it's the opposite one. It's the fact the reflect some times costs you magicka. DKs are a class without escape and without ranged abilities. The only ranged ability they had, the chain, which in fact was a gap closer has been broken. If there were no scales you would just kite DKs with impunity.

The fact you still see a problem with the DKs despite all the nerfs and user videos pointing to the contrary, suggests to me you just want an easy win. Offensive as it might sound to you.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

You've told me this before and I showed you evidence in the form of a video between a templar and a DK. Templar got away every time.

Which video are you talking about? The final round of the dueling tournament with Sypher?

If it's happening constantly to you, there must be something you're doing wrong. I'm not saying this in a patronising manner. I have a v12 DK and a v6 Sorc. I see people breaking the stun and then rolling away all the time. And likewise I do the same with both my sorc and my DK when it happens to me. The stun break currently does not remove the Talons, if you expect to CC break and the talons to go away, they won't. You have to CC break and then roll.

No, I'm not expecting to CC break the Talons. But yes, this is still happening. I get hit with Invasion and Talons. I CC break then roll... nothing happens. Four seconds of nothing. I have also tried rolling then CC breaking. Again, still unable to do anything.

I am also not the only one still reporting the bug, nor am I looking for an easy win.

The fact they're changing this further is completely going to break the only form of attack left to the DK, but it is not an acknowledgement of a bug necessarily as you imply.

I think DKs have many other forms of attack left.

You see a problem Scales, and I do to but it's the opposite one. It's the fact the reflect some times costs you magicka. DKs are a class without escape and without ranged abilities. The only ranged ability they had, the chain, which in fact was a gap closer has been broken. If there were no scales you would just kite DK with impunity.

Or the DK can pick up a ranged weapon, like a Resto or Destro staff. I hear they are quite popular.

But if you want DKs to be able to defeat any other class using only their class abilities, then that would explain a lot.