Refund crafting materials or cancel setbonus changes

ShiftControl · July 2014

Don't know who came up with the idea about ZoS changing stats on existing armor I found no evidence
but I found this: new armor set new name better stats go to PTS and check it out.

Poxheart · July 2014

midnight_tea wrote: »

Also - it's really not that difficult to earn money in this game after completing all the zones. Go to Cyrodiil. Go to Craglorn. Raid public dungeons - do you know how much loot and money these things can give? I assume not, but let me assure you - as a VR12 I can still earn a fair share of coin and that's not just because I'm a crafter.

I'm not sure which Alliance you play, but Craglorn is a mixed bag on DC. These days nobody is grinding anomalies and the tower groups are rarely full. On the flip side, I used to be the only person running through the zone farming mats, now I'm seeing 3 or 4 other people on my routes. I don't know what public dungeon people are farming now that Crow's Wood was nerfed. Even with the farming competition I make some money after running a circuit, but I wouldn't call it a "fair share of coin."

midnight_tea · July 2014

Really? People were farming only Crow's Wood when there are so many other pubs in the game? Are people really that unimaginative they don't try and check other locations and only run to the one location they know will get loot until it gets nerfed???

For higher VRs - try other VR dungeons. There are mobs that give a ton of loot (I'm not just talking about the stacks of scraps) - I usually walk out of them with full inventory and majority of them are greens or better.

Also - I'm not talking about grinding in Craglorn. Find a quest/dungeon group and just run dungeons a couple of times, I can assure you that blues and purples drop fairly often, aside from scraps and other goodies.

Birfreben_Kinghelred · July 2014

whsprwind wrote: »

Whats with people saying people who crafted Legendary gear should not be compensated?? To all of you who think this way: what the heck does it have anything to do with you and why do you even care if someone is asking for compensation?

Why do you want to deny them of these compensation?

People have invested time and money into this game. They've put in the effort to get what they want, and now what they want was taken away from them without any action on their part. That to me is being a "victim" and if we can't help a "victim" in any way the least we can do is shut up. Not add salt to the wound.

You think people are stupid to invest in legendary gear, what because it's FOTM.. it's only 3 months into launch, they abused the system imbalance.. Really?

People are different, they play the game different from you. They saw the value in legendaries, you didn't. They decided to invest in them, it's THEIR wish. Saying what they think is wrong is like "Hey you're stupid to buy a Ferarri, duh-uh I'm a smartz because I boughts a Toyota, that brings me point A to point B just fine.."
Please, stahp.

I don't even own legendary gear. All i have is one legendary staff and I don't really care if it gets compensated or not. But I know how *hard* it is to collect these mats (i have several tens of them), and I can't even imagine the frustration if all that effort put into collecting them were to be just taken away because of something that wasn't my fault. If you do own legendaries but are willing to accept the change, good on you. But please don't stop people who paid the price for an object they did not want from asking for a refund.

And if nothing get's done, ZoS you can be sure people will quit. Not because of friggin in game mats and items, but because they are voicing a concern that is outright getting ignored. You can be sure that kind of attitude will drive people away.

And by the way, these very people - the 'min-maxers', they are the ones that are in for the long run. Think about it.

Victims? you lost 6% crit in a video game and you're now a victim... Wow. Just Wow.

Snit wrote: »

Hears_Bright_Colors wrote: »

2. Gear in MMOs always has a somewhat short shelf life. Level cap raise is never that far off.

True, but when was the last time your MMO character woke up one morning to find his DPS gear, stuff he's already wearing, changed to tanking/ sustain gear?

I'll guess never.

Gear obsolescence is a core MMO mechanic. But games don't wipe expensive stuff currently in-use by large numbers of players, short of a significant bug or exploit.

"DPS gear"

Mojomonkeyman · July 2014

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

whsprwind wrote: »

Whats with people saying people who crafted Legendary gear should not be compensated?? To all of you who think this way: what the heck does it have anything to do with you and why do you even care if someone is asking for compensation?

Why do you want to deny them of these compensation?

People have invested time and money into this game. They've put in the effort to get what they want, and now what they want was taken away from them without any action on their part. That to me is being a "victim" and if we can't help a "victim" in any way the least we can do is shut up. Not add salt to the wound.

You think people are stupid to invest in legendary gear, what because it's FOTM.. it's only 3 months into launch, they abused the system imbalance.. Really?

People are different, they play the game different from you. They saw the value in legendaries, you didn't. They decided to invest in them, it's THEIR wish. Saying what they think is wrong is like "Hey you're stupid to buy a Ferarri, duh-uh I'm a smartz because I boughts a Toyota, that brings me point A to point B just fine.."
Please, stahp.

I don't even own legendary gear. All i have is one legendary staff and I don't really care if it gets compensated or not. But I know how *hard* it is to collect these mats (i have several tens of them), and I can't even imagine the frustration if all that effort put into collecting them were to be just taken away because of something that wasn't my fault. If you do own legendaries but are willing to accept the change, good on you. But please don't stop people who paid the price for an object they did not want from asking for a refund.

And if nothing get's done, ZoS you can be sure people will quit. Not because of friggin in game mats and items, but because they are voicing a concern that is outright getting ignored. You can be sure that kind of attitude will drive people away.

And by the way, these very people - the 'min-maxers', they are the ones that are in for the long run. Think about it.

Victims? you lost 6% crit in a video game and you're now a victim... Wow. Just Wow.

Snit wrote: »

Hears_Bright_Colors wrote: »

2. Gear in MMOs always has a somewhat short shelf life. Level cap raise is never that far off.

True, but when was the last time your MMO character woke up one morning to find his DPS gear, stuff he's already wearing, changed to tanking/ sustain gear?

I'll guess never.

Gear obsolescence is a core MMO mechanic. But games don't wipe expensive stuff currently in-use by large numbers of players, short of a significant bug or exploit.

"DPS gear"

You forgot to put a line underneath the first bonus. The spellcrit one, which is, you know, increasing dps... Keep on desperately ignoring the fact that probably a very tiny minority ever used 5p willows. That is not the players fault but the developers to not think gear combinations through. Players will go for the combination that suits their playstyle best and is perceived as effective. What is taken away from you here? I really don`t get why you insist on hating on players who feel a bit ... betrayed for the efforts they`ve done.

And to the greenhorn asking why v12s complain about forced grind out of the blue, without introduction of new tier gear: There`s plenty of players who just play for the pvp, we just pay sub for the pvp, we don`t need carrots on a stick, because pvp provides a wide variety of ever-changing challenges every day without forcing me to hunt for the next shiny pixel (in theory).

In reality I couldn`t do much pvp at all in this game, because of the huge time investment it took me to even get to max level. No complain, I knew that, coped with it. But forcing me again (for no benefit, because I already worked for the gain, my gear) to grind gear for months is just crazy and not justified without raising the level gap or introduction of a new gear tier. They had beta testers for a year to identify balance issues with the existing gear. I`m playing & paying no beta!

I`m all for set changes because spellcrit was one dimensional. Never OP (because it can be shut down really easy by just wearing impenetrable), but forcing one dimensional setups, which is not good. Switch the darn damage increasing bonuses with damage increasing bonuses, split them up, but keep the relation of 50% bonus damage, 50% regen (willows) and 50% healing, 50% damage (twilight) and all complains will disappear.

Best regards

Birfreben_Kinghelred · July 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

whsprwind wrote: »

Whats with people saying people who crafted Legendary gear should not be compensated?? To all of you who think this way: what the heck does it have anything to do with you and why do you even care if someone is asking for compensation?

Why do you want to deny them of these compensation?

People have invested time and money into this game. They've put in the effort to get what they want, and now what they want was taken away from them without any action on their part. That to me is being a "victim" and if we can't help a "victim" in any way the least we can do is shut up. Not add salt to the wound.

You think people are stupid to invest in legendary gear, what because it's FOTM.. it's only 3 months into launch, they abused the system imbalance.. Really?

People are different, they play the game different from you. They saw the value in legendaries, you didn't. They decided to invest in them, it's THEIR wish. Saying what they think is wrong is like "Hey you're stupid to buy a Ferarri, duh-uh I'm a smartz because I boughts a Toyota, that brings me point A to point B just fine.."
Please, stahp.

I don't even own legendary gear. All i have is one legendary staff and I don't really care if it gets compensated or not. But I know how *hard* it is to collect these mats (i have several tens of them), and I can't even imagine the frustration if all that effort put into collecting them were to be just taken away because of something that wasn't my fault. If you do own legendaries but are willing to accept the change, good on you. But please don't stop people who paid the price for an object they did not want from asking for a refund.

And if nothing get's done, ZoS you can be sure people will quit. Not because of friggin in game mats and items, but because they are voicing a concern that is outright getting ignored. You can be sure that kind of attitude will drive people away.

And by the way, these very people - the 'min-maxers', they are the ones that are in for the long run. Think about it.

Victims? you lost 6% crit in a video game and you're now a victim... Wow. Just Wow.

Snit wrote: »

Hears_Bright_Colors wrote: »

2. Gear in MMOs always has a somewhat short shelf life. Level cap raise is never that far off.

True, but when was the last time your MMO character woke up one morning to find his DPS gear, stuff he's already wearing, changed to tanking/ sustain gear?

I'll guess never.

Gear obsolescence is a core MMO mechanic. But games don't wipe expensive stuff currently in-use by large numbers of players, short of a significant bug or exploit.

"DPS gear"

You forgot to put a line underneath the first bonus. The spellcrit one, which is, you know, increasing dps... Keep on desperately ignoring the fact that probably a very tiny minority ever used 5p willows. That is not the players fault but the developers to not think gear combinations through. Players will go for the combination that suits their playstyle best and is perceived as effective. What is taken away from you here? I really don`t get why you insist on hating on players who feel a bit ... betrayed for the efforts they`ve done.

And to the greenhorn asking why v12s complain about forced grind out of the blue, without introduction of new tier gear: There`s plenty of players who just play for the pvp, we just pay sub for the pvp, we don`t need carrots on a stick, because pvp provides a wide variety of ever-changing challenges every day without forcing me to hunt for the next shiny pixel (in theory).

In reality I couldn`t do much pvp at all in this game, because of the huge time investment it took me to even get to max level. No complain, I knew that, coped with it. But forcing me again (for no benefit, because I already worked for the gain, my gear) to grind gear for months is just crazy and not justified without raising the level gap or introduction of a new gear tier. They had beta testers for a year to identify balance issues with the existing gear. I`m playing & paying no beta!

I`m all for set changes because spellcrit was one dimensional. Never OP (because it can be shut down really easy by just wearing impenetrable), but forcing one dimensional setups, which is not good. Switch the darn damage increasing bonuses with damage increasing bonuses, split them up, but keep the relation of 50% bonus damage, 50% regen (willows) and 50% healing, 50% damage (twilight) and all complains will disappear.

Best regards

You forgot that the willows path set is called the willows path for a reason. Its called the willows path set because it provides the willows path set bonus. The willows path set bonus, of course, provides regen. From that one would assume it was a regen set. I'm desperately ignoring the fact that no one used 5 piece willows? I thinks that is pretty good support for why they changed it. I insist on "hating" on you because you think your mistake to use legendary mats on something that was obviously a regen set, is a higher priority than balance issues.

Anastasia · July 2014

midnight_tea wrote: »

Really? People were farming only Crow's Wood when there are so many other pubs in the game? Are people really that unimaginative they don't try and check other locations and only run to the one location they know will get loot until it gets nerfed???

For higher VRs - try other VR dungeons. There are mobs that give a ton of loot (I'm not just talking about the stacks of scraps) - I usually walk out of them with full inventory and majority of them are greens or better.

Also - I'm not talking about grinding in Craglorn. Find a quest/dungeon group and just run dungeons a couple of times, I can assure you that blues and purples drop fairly often, aside from scraps and other goodies.

Yes. I know its hard to believe, but then, I say that almost every time I come and read the forums. If its "FASTER", if someone else's brain figured it out and saves them "TIME", you bet a lot of people are apparently doing it. They will give you a zillion justifications too. Even if using their own brain, imagination and time would earn them more and probs allow them to find a few lesser known spots to pick up coin or items worth coin. Heh.

kewl · July 2014

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Zury1001ub17_ESO wrote: »

i cant even login with any of my characters w/o starting over...

So I just canceled my sub in hopes that like most mmo's they always ask why u are canceling but nope I hit cancel & submit and thats it no feedback asked as to why I canceled. This is the first mmo that has not done that which really surprises me that they don't care or want to know why players are leaving their game.

I've posted about this several times. Apparently a survey will arrive once your time has expired. But others have remarked that it never came.

Farkaz · July 2014

this topic is hilarious

Aeratus · July 2014

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

whsprwind wrote: »

Whats with people saying people who crafted Legendary gear should not be compensated?? To all of you who think this way: what the heck does it have anything to do with you and why do you even care if someone is asking for compensation?

Why do you want to deny them of these compensation?

People have invested time and money into this game. They've put in the effort to get what they want, and now what they want was taken away from them without any action on their part. That to me is being a "victim" and if we can't help a "victim" in any way the least we can do is shut up. Not add salt to the wound.

You think people are stupid to invest in legendary gear, what because it's FOTM.. it's only 3 months into launch, they abused the system imbalance.. Really?

People are different, they play the game different from you. They saw the value in legendaries, you didn't. They decided to invest in them, it's THEIR wish. Saying what they think is wrong is like "Hey you're stupid to buy a Ferarri, duh-uh I'm a smartz because I boughts a Toyota, that brings me point A to point B just fine.."
Please, stahp.

I don't even own legendary gear. All i have is one legendary staff and I don't really care if it gets compensated or not. But I know how *hard* it is to collect these mats (i have several tens of them), and I can't even imagine the frustration if all that effort put into collecting them were to be just taken away because of something that wasn't my fault. If you do own legendaries but are willing to accept the change, good on you. But please don't stop people who paid the price for an object they did not want from asking for a refund.

And if nothing get's done, ZoS you can be sure people will quit. Not because of friggin in game mats and items, but because they are voicing a concern that is outright getting ignored. You can be sure that kind of attitude will drive people away.

And by the way, these very people - the 'min-maxers', they are the ones that are in for the long run. Think about it.

Victims? you lost 6% crit in a video game and you're now a victim... Wow. Just Wow.

Snit wrote: »

Hears_Bright_Colors wrote: »

2. Gear in MMOs always has a somewhat short shelf life. Level cap raise is never that far off.

True, but when was the last time your MMO character woke up one morning to find his DPS gear, stuff he's already wearing, changed to tanking/ sustain gear?

I'll guess never.

Gear obsolescence is a core MMO mechanic. But games don't wipe expensive stuff currently in-use by large numbers of players, short of a significant bug or exploit.

"DPS gear"

You forgot to put a line underneath the first bonus. The spellcrit one, which is, you know, increasing dps... Keep on desperately ignoring the fact that probably a very tiny minority ever used 5p willows. That is not the players fault but the developers to not think gear combinations through. Players will go for the combination that suits their playstyle best and is perceived as effective. What is taken away from you here? I really don`t get why you insist on hating on players who feel a bit ... betrayed for the efforts they`ve done.

And to the greenhorn asking why v12s complain about forced grind out of the blue, without introduction of new tier gear: There`s plenty of players who just play for the pvp, we just pay sub for the pvp, we don`t need carrots on a stick, because pvp provides a wide variety of ever-changing challenges every day without forcing me to hunt for the next shiny pixel (in theory).

In reality I couldn`t do much pvp at all in this game, because of the huge time investment it took me to even get to max level. No complain, I knew that, coped with it. But forcing me again (for no benefit, because I already worked for the gain, my gear) to grind gear for months is just crazy and not justified without raising the level gap or introduction of a new gear tier. They had beta testers for a year to identify balance issues with the existing gear. I`m playing & paying no beta!

I`m all for set changes because spellcrit was one dimensional. Never OP (because it can be shut down really easy by just wearing impenetrable), but forcing one dimensional setups, which is not good. Switch the darn damage increasing bonuses with damage increasing bonuses, split them up, but keep the relation of 50% bonus damage, 50% regen (willows) and 50% healing, 50% damage (twilight) and all complains will disappear.

Best regards

You forgot that the willows path set is called the willows path for a reason. Its called the willows path set because it provides the willows path set bonus. The willows path set bonus, of course, provides regen. From that one would assume it was a regen set. I'm desperately ignoring the fact that no one used 5 piece willows? I thinks that is pretty good support for why they changed it. I insist on "hating" on you because you think your mistake to use legendary mats on something that was obviously a regen set, is a higher priority than balance issues.

Obviously, the intended focus of willow's path was regen. However, it seems like once again, the devs have no clue as to how players actually play their game.

For some reason, the devs think that regen is a big deal, which is why there are drinks in addition to food. But anyone who actually plays the game knows that regen stats are generally useless.

wizardhood2003 · July 2014

I submitted a Feedback and a ticket about this. Was told the more people who feedback the more we have a chance of having this happen!

whsprwind · July 2014

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

whsprwind wrote: »

Whats with people saying people who crafted Legendary gear should not be compensated?? To all of you who think this way: what the heck does it have anything to do with you and why do you even care if someone is asking for compensation?

Why do you want to deny them of these compensation?

People have invested time and money into this game. They've put in the effort to get what they want, and now what they want was taken away from them without any action on their part. That to me is being a "victim" and if we can't help a "victim" in any way the least we can do is shut up. Not add salt to the wound.

You think people are stupid to invest in legendary gear, what because it's FOTM.. it's only 3 months into launch, they abused the system imbalance.. Really?

People are different, they play the game different from you. They saw the value in legendaries, you didn't. They decided to invest in them, it's THEIR wish. Saying what they think is wrong is like "Hey you're stupid to buy a Ferarri, duh-uh I'm a smartz because I boughts a Toyota, that brings me point A to point B just fine.."
Please, stahp.

I don't even own legendary gear. All i have is one legendary staff and I don't really care if it gets compensated or not. But I know how *hard* it is to collect these mats (i have several tens of them), and I can't even imagine the frustration if all that effort put into collecting them were to be just taken away because of something that wasn't my fault. If you do own legendaries but are willing to accept the change, good on you. But please don't stop people who paid the price for an object they did not want from asking for a refund.

And if nothing get's done, ZoS you can be sure people will quit. Not because of friggin in game mats and items, but because they are voicing a concern that is outright getting ignored. You can be sure that kind of attitude will drive people away.

And by the way, these very people - the 'min-maxers', they are the ones that are in for the long run. Think about it.

Victims? you lost 6% crit in a video game and you're now a victim... Wow. Just Wow.

I don't know how you completely misread my post, but the "victims" i mentioned were not the people who lost 6% crit in a video game, it's the people who put in tens of hours to obtain legendary mats used to invest in something that they wanted but did not get.

Simply put, they ordered a Sony TV but received a Hitachi radio so now they want a refund. I don't get how in any way is that unfair.

I agree there are lots of problems that probably require more attention than this now and I know that part of MMOs include gear becoming obsolete. I do however believe that it should not be too hard for them to rework the reworked stats.

Map the spell crit into Spell Damage, Max Magicka or even Magicka Regen so it still remains in the same category. That way they are already "obsolete" but are still "viable" DPS builds. They'd still probably upgrade gears eventually but at least what they already have still boosts their DPS output

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Hears_Bright_Colors wrote: »

2. Gear in MMOs always has a somewhat short shelf life. Level cap raise is never that far off.

True, but when was the last time your MMO character woke up one morning to find his DPS gear, stuff he's already wearing, changed to tanking/ sustain gear?

I'll guess never.

Gear obsolescence is a core MMO mechanic. But games don't wipe expensive stuff currently in-use by large numbers of players, short of a significant bug or exploit.

"DPS gear"

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Iorail · July 2014

wizardhood2003 wrote: »

I submitted a Feedback and a ticket about this. Was told the more people who feedback the more we have a chance of having this happen!

Post the ticket and the CS that wrote it, otherwise you are full of it

Birfreben_Kinghelred · July 2014

whsprwind wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

whsprwind wrote: »

Whats with people saying people who crafted Legendary gear should not be compensated?? To all of you who think this way: what the heck does it have anything to do with you and why do you even care if someone is asking for compensation?

Why do you want to deny them of these compensation?

People have invested time and money into this game. They've put in the effort to get what they want, and now what they want was taken away from them without any action on their part. That to me is being a "victim" and if we can't help a "victim" in any way the least we can do is shut up. Not add salt to the wound.

You think people are stupid to invest in legendary gear, what because it's FOTM.. it's only 3 months into launch, they abused the system imbalance.. Really?

People are different, they play the game different from you. They saw the value in legendaries, you didn't. They decided to invest in them, it's THEIR wish. Saying what they think is wrong is like "Hey you're stupid to buy a Ferarri, duh-uh I'm a smartz because I boughts a Toyota, that brings me point A to point B just fine.."
Please, stahp.

I don't even own legendary gear. All i have is one legendary staff and I don't really care if it gets compensated or not. But I know how *hard* it is to collect these mats (i have several tens of them), and I can't even imagine the frustration if all that effort put into collecting them were to be just taken away because of something that wasn't my fault. If you do own legendaries but are willing to accept the change, good on you. But please don't stop people who paid the price for an object they did not want from asking for a refund.

And if nothing get's done, ZoS you can be sure people will quit. Not because of friggin in game mats and items, but because they are voicing a concern that is outright getting ignored. You can be sure that kind of attitude will drive people away.

And by the way, these very people - the 'min-maxers', they are the ones that are in for the long run. Think about it.

Victims? you lost 6% crit in a video game and you're now a victim... Wow. Just Wow.

I don't know how you completely misread my post, but the "victims" i mentioned were not the people who lost 6% crit in a video game, it's the people who put in tens of hours to obtain legendary mats used to invest in something that they wanted but did not get.

Simply put, they ordered a Sony TV but received a Hitachi radio so now they want a refund. I don't get how in any way is that unfair.

I agree there are lots of problems that probably require more attention than this now and I know that part of MMOs include gear becoming obsolete. I do however believe that it should not be too hard for them to rework the reworked stats.

Map the spell crit into Spell Damage, Max Magicka or even Magicka Regen so it still remains in the same category. That way they are already "obsolete" but are still "viable" DPS builds. They'd still probably upgrade gears eventually but at least what they already have still boosts their DPS output

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Hears_Bright_Colors wrote: »

2. Gear in MMOs always has a somewhat short shelf life. Level cap raise is never that far off.

True, but when was the last time your MMO character woke up one morning to find his DPS gear, stuff he's already wearing, changed to tanking/ sustain gear?

I'll guess never.

Gear obsolescence is a core MMO mechanic. But games don't wipe expensive stuff currently in-use by large numbers of players, short of a significant bug or exploit.

"DPS gear"

Just from this comment anyone can conclude what your intentions are. That or you are just completely delusional or just plain ret***ded

The "victims" aren't losing anything but crit. If you crafted legendary willows path. You will still have legendary willows path. The only thing you are losing is 5 percent crit off of willows path, and 1 percent crit off of night mothers gaze. (you'd think if this was your "dps gear" you'd be using night mothers gaze... but your all using twilights embrace. odd.) Have you even looked at the new set bonus for willows path? It does provide magicka regen, stamina, and health.

BrassRazoo · July 2014

Here's a tip.
Make new stuff.

Tambitch · July 2014

Has it even been confirmed that the existing sets will morph into the new set-bonuses? If not, maybe people can calm down and wait to se what's going to happen.

SuperJChat · July 2014

lol, let me guess, in a month or two when they up the Vet levels more you are gonna complain that its unfair you spent all your mats/money on your "NOW TOTALLY USELESS!!111!!!!!!11!!" Legendary gear/sets and demand a refund "OR I'M UNSUBBING"?

Also you must be doing something wrong... I've only had 1 character with max crafting this whole time that i log onto daily to collect hireling mail, and i have enough legendary mats to create 5+ full sets of legendary gear... And considering you can have up to 8 collecting them daily.... technically im losing out... so why don't you guys like... L2P?

Syntse · July 2014

Tried to look through the Dev Tracker but was not able to see any comment on these threads from devs. Since they are doing such overhaul I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated by players to know how they are going handle this set change.

Is the plan to convert existing sets to new ones that people already have created?
or
Is the plan to have existing sets as like version 1 and remain as they are and new sets are version 2 which can be created after the update?

(So game would have for some time 2 versions of eg Seduser until they eventually vanish when people replace their own, and of course after the update you could not create the version 1 sets anymore).

So since I'm currently planning on crafting new sets for my chars this would be very welcome information instead of just waiting and waiting for the update until crafting. So if crafted, will the sets transform or will just new created sets have these features after update 3.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · July 2014

When EVE Online nerfed many ships, the forum wasn't full of threads "refund my Scorpion"

When they changed completely the electronic warfare, none said "refund the months I spend researching X skill to level 5" (and that there takes months some times)

Same happened when they made the big changes to Missiles & Torpedoes. None went to the forums posting "I cannot do missions semi-afk now, you screw 4 years of my life in this game, and I have to learn new skills. refund my missile skills now"

When they altered completely the way of gaining control over a star system, I didn't saw messages "me and my 5000 member alliance going to quit the game because we need five times more resources to hold our space, and impossible to defend now if not 1000 members at any time online"

Here the place is full of those threads, completely unjustifiable, and a very clear indication how mature the forum community is.

In game, anyone we discussed about the new set bonuses, were excited, and going to gather up the mats to change their gear.

That says to me only one thing. That the "forum" doesn't represent the actual players in game.

Only some who have nothing else to do, but complain for the sake of it.

Maverick827 · July 2014

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

When EVE Online nerfed many ships, the forum wasn't full of threads "refund my Scorpion"

When they changed completely the electronic warfare, none said "refund the months I spend researching X skill to level 5" (and that there takes months some times)

Same happened when they made the big changes to Missiles & Torpedoes. None went to the forums posting "I cannot do missions semi-afk now, you screw 4 years of my life in this game, and I have to learn new skills. refund my missile skills now"

When they altered completely the way of gaining control over a star system, I didn't saw messages "me and my 5000 member alliance going to quit the game because we need five times more resources to hold our space, and impossible to defend now if not 1000 members at any time online"

Here the place is full of those threads, completely unjustifiable, and a very clear indication how mature the forum community is.

In game, anyone we discussed about the new set bonuses, were excited, and going to gather up the mats to change their gear.

That says to me only one thing. That the "forum" doesn't represent the actual players in game.

Only some who have nothing else to do, but complain for the sake of it.

I just spoke with my entire guild, Anectodes Rising, and everyone is going to quit over this change.

Matuzes · July 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

When EVE Online nerfed many ships, the forum wasn't full of threads "refund my Scorpion"

When they changed completely the electronic warfare, none said "refund the months I spend researching X skill to level 5" (and that there takes months some times)

Same happened when they made the big changes to Missiles & Torpedoes. None went to the forums posting "I cannot do missions semi-afk now, you screw 4 years of my life in this game, and I have to learn new skills. refund my missile skills now"

When they altered completely the way of gaining control over a star system, I didn't saw messages "me and my 5000 member alliance going to quit the game because we need five times more resources to hold our space, and impossible to defend now if not 1000 members at any time online"

Here the place is full of those threads, completely unjustifiable, and a very clear indication how mature the forum community is.

In game, anyone we discussed about the new set bonuses, were excited, and going to gather up the mats to change their gear.

That says to me only one thing. That the "forum" doesn't represent the actual players in game.

Only some who have nothing else to do, but complain for the sake of it.

I just spoke with my entire guild, Anectodes Rising, and everyone is going to quit over this change.

Farewell.

MMO games always change over time. New content patches, expansions, even small balance updates change game. Stop crying and get used to it.

Iorail · July 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

When EVE Online nerfed many ships, the forum wasn't full of threads "refund my Scorpion"

When they changed completely the electronic warfare, none said "refund the months I spend researching X skill to level 5" (and that there takes months some times)

Same happened when they made the big changes to Missiles & Torpedoes. None went to the forums posting "I cannot do missions semi-afk now, you screw 4 years of my life in this game, and I have to learn new skills. refund my missile skills now"

When they altered completely the way of gaining control over a star system, I didn't saw messages "me and my 5000 member alliance going to quit the game because we need five times more resources to hold our space, and impossible to defend now if not 1000 members at any time online"

Here the place is full of those threads, completely unjustifiable, and a very clear indication how mature the forum community is.

In game, anyone we discussed about the new set bonuses, were excited, and going to gather up the mats to change their gear.

That says to me only one thing. That the "forum" doesn't represent the actual players in game.

Only some who have nothing else to do, but complain for the sake of it.

I just spoke with my entire guild, Anectodes Rising, and everyone is going to quit over this change.

Take care, don't let the door hit you or your 20 man guild on the way out.

Maverick827 · July 2014

I guess no one reads posts anymore.

Wanthang · July 2014

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

whsprwind wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

whsprwind wrote: »

Whats with people saying people who crafted Legendary gear should not be compensated?? To all of you who think this way: what the heck does it have anything to do with you and why do you even care if someone is asking for compensation?

Why do you want to deny them of these compensation?

People have invested time and money into this game. They've put in the effort to get what they want, and now what they want was taken away from them without any action on their part. That to me is being a "victim" and if we can't help a "victim" in any way the least we can do is shut up. Not add salt to the wound.

You think people are stupid to invest in legendary gear, what because it's FOTM.. it's only 3 months into launch, they abused the system imbalance.. Really?

People are different, they play the game different from you. They saw the value in legendaries, you didn't. They decided to invest in them, it's THEIR wish. Saying what they think is wrong is like "Hey you're stupid to buy a Ferarri, duh-uh I'm a smartz because I boughts a Toyota, that brings me point A to point B just fine.."
Please, stahp.

I don't even own legendary gear. All i have is one legendary staff and I don't really care if it gets compensated or not. But I know how *hard* it is to collect these mats (i have several tens of them), and I can't even imagine the frustration if all that effort put into collecting them were to be just taken away because of something that wasn't my fault. If you do own legendaries but are willing to accept the change, good on you. But please don't stop people who paid the price for an object they did not want from asking for a refund.

And if nothing get's done, ZoS you can be sure people will quit. Not because of friggin in game mats and items, but because they are voicing a concern that is outright getting ignored. You can be sure that kind of attitude will drive people away.

And by the way, these very people - the 'min-maxers', they are the ones that are in for the long run. Think about it.

Victims? you lost 6% crit in a video game and you're now a victim... Wow. Just Wow.

I don't know how you completely misread my post, but the "victims" i mentioned were not the people who lost 6% crit in a video game, it's the people who put in tens of hours to obtain legendary mats used to invest in something that they wanted but did not get.

Simply put, they ordered a Sony TV but received a Hitachi radio so now they want a refund. I don't get how in any way is that unfair.

I agree there are lots of problems that probably require more attention than this now and I know that part of MMOs include gear becoming obsolete. I do however believe that it should not be too hard for them to rework the reworked stats.

Map the spell crit into Spell Damage, Max Magicka or even Magicka Regen so it still remains in the same category. That way they are already "obsolete" but are still "viable" DPS builds. They'd still probably upgrade gears eventually but at least what they already have still boosts their DPS output

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Hears_Bright_Colors wrote: »

2. Gear in MMOs always has a somewhat short shelf life. Level cap raise is never that far off.

True, but when was the last time your MMO character woke up one morning to find his DPS gear, stuff he's already wearing, changed to tanking/ sustain gear?

I'll guess never.

Gear obsolescence is a core MMO mechanic. But games don't wipe expensive stuff currently in-use by large numbers of players, short of a significant bug or exploit.

"DPS gear"

Just from this comment anyone can conclude what your intentions are. That or you are just completely delusional or just plain ret***ded

The "victims" aren't losing anything but crit. If you crafted legendary willows path. You will still have legendary willows path. The only thing you are losing is 5 percent crit off of willows path, and 1 percent crit off of night mothers gaze. (you'd think if this was your "dps gear" you'd be using night mothers gaze... but your all using twilights embrace. odd.) Have you even looked at the new set bonus for willows path? It does provide magicka regen, stamina, and health.

Its not only 5% crit, Its 15%
3 items gives you 15% 5% each

Matuzes · July 2014

Wanthang wrote: »

Its not only 5% crit, Its 15%
3 items gives you 15% 5% each

Can you explain that?

Inco · July 2014

At the end of the day... ZOS is making a change, but when you change things people spend time/money to create after the fact then you have issues.

These issues are valid and as a player/crafter and min/max myself I agree that we should have some sort of compensation.

1) LEAVE existing Set Bonus gear alone. IE: Grand fathered. You can't replace it when the next VR12-15 comes out. Attrition fixes that problem and nobody is up in arms about losing mats/money.
2) REFUND all the mats it took to make said gear. Not easy, but gives a clean slate and calms everyone down.
3) EXCHANGE said gear for another piece of like gear (Different Set Bonus).

ZOS created this problem and now ZOS needs to fix it as well. Kudos for the "NEW" sets as some appear pretty nice, but "Shameful Display" comment on the knee jerk reaction to balance out.

I'd suggest a better approach is to leave the old gear in play and let new gear assume the new stats. Then as people level those pieces will gradually fade away as new levels happen. (That is how AAA MMO's do things - not like this)

eventide03b14a_ESO · July 2014

Selodaoc wrote: »

With 1.3 we will see new changes to setbonuses.

Some of us have spent all our gold to craft several sets to perform in different situations.

I just reached VR12 the other day, and spent around 300k crafting 2 sets, and after 1.3 those sets will become totally useless for me.

Im now sitting at 5k Gold. I cant afford crafting new gear, and getting more gold is not easy at all.

This is seriously unacceptable. Something gotta be done to compensate the players, or the changes has to be canceled.

Maybe if the current items ingame doesnt change, and only new gear after patch have the new setbonuses.

What did you make for 300k on two sets? I am having trouble understanding why you would need to spend that much on crafted gear.

*Edit*
I read a few more posts and it has become clear that you guys that are complaining about spending 300k did so because you bought all of your mats. How can you have forgotten that this is an MMO and all of the stats on gear are liable to change. That's sort of the rule of MMO's not the exception. With that said let this be a lesson to you and move on. Sure voice your complaints, but honestly this is not something that should surprise you. I don't know the specific approaches you all took to getting your 300k but it's pretty evident that you didn't collect the raw materials that would have saved you a bundle. I'm guessing you just sold all the stuff you looted instead of breaking it down for the mats. If you had taken the time to break things down for the raw materials and and use the hirelings I suspect you would have saved a LOT of money. You spent 300k because of poor planning.

Selodaoc · July 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

What did you make for 300k on two sets? I am having trouble understanding why you would need to spend that much on crafted gear.

Its been said many times on this topic

Wanthang wrote: »

Its not only 5% crit, Its 15%
3 items gives you 15% 5% each

That is..very wrong

SuperJChat wrote: »

lol, let me guess, in a month or two when they up the Vet levels more you are gonna complain that its unfair you spent all your mats/money on your "NOW TOTALLY USELESS!!111!!!!!!11!!" Legendary gear/sets and demand a refund "OR I'M UNSUBBING"?

Someone didnt read the topic at all

BrassRazoo wrote: »

Here's a tip.
Make new stuff.

Give me the materials for it. I dont want to do the boring grind again to craft another set for the same lvl. I already crafted the best set for my lvl i could get and was happy with.
Whats to say next month they wont scramble the setbonuses again and i have to craft another set?

whsprwind wrote: »

Simply put, they ordered a Sony TV but received a Hitachi radio so now they want a refund. I don't get how in any way is that unfair.

That.
You build a house for years with a colour you like. Then when your finally finished, someone steps in, takes your house away and leaves you with a pink box to live in.

Inco · July 2014

You ordered a nice HD Color Sony TV - Got it and used for 2 months. Then Sony did a RECALL on that TV and it's now a Black & White TV. - That is more appropriate analogy as to what just happened. Sure you still have that pretty Sony TV in HD, but the color is missing. Sure you still have fancy buttons (Maybe even newer ones got added), but the TV is now a Black & White TV still.

eventide03b14a_ESO · July 2014

Inco wrote: »

You ordered a nice HD Color Sony TV - Got it and used for 2 months. Then Sony did a RECALL on that TV and it's now a Black & White TV. - That is more appropriate analogy as to what just happened. Sure you still have that pretty Sony TV in HD, but the color is missing. Sure you still have fancy buttons (Maybe even newer ones got added), but the TV is now a Black & White TV still.

I'm sorry but that's a terrible analogy. Mostly because there are terms and conditions in an MMO that state changes can be made at any time.