Refund crafting materials or cancel setbonus changes

Selodaoc · July 2014

With 1.3 we will see new changes to setbonuses.

Some of us have spent all our gold to craft several sets to perform in different situations.

I just reached VR12 the other day, and spent around 300k crafting 2 sets, and after 1.3 those sets will become totally useless for me.

Im now sitting at 5k Gold. I cant afford crafting new gear, and getting more gold is not easy at all.

This is seriously unacceptable. Something gotta be done to compensate the players, or the changes has to be canceled.

Maybe if the current items ingame doesnt change, and only new gear after patch have the new setbonuses.

olsborg · July 2014

I sympatize with people in this situation. Maybe there should be an option to craft the old type set instead of the new type. I dunno. Atleast then you could choose.

SirAndy · July 2014

There's really no good way of going about this. They obviously can't leave the old stats on your old set but trying to implement a refund system is not as easy as it might sound.

Doskias · July 2014

I too understand your pain. I just made a full set of armor and 4 weapons last night before I knew about the upcoming changes. Now the changes to the set is totally useless for its original purpose. All pieces were upgraded to legendary as well. So you do the math. That is a lot of gold essentially wasted. That is eleven pieces which cost about 30k a piece to make so we are looking at about 330k gold wasted. I am happy about the improvements they are making to the sets. It just sucks I just spent all my gold on crafting for a new build all to be useless in a few weeks because of the changes.

Denaia · July 2014

I think they should add either a vendor that lets you swap these items for the setbonus you want ór 2 days where the items that are deconstructed refund all used materials.

xMovingTarget · July 2014

I see a black future for eso if this goes live like it is. This is a reason i really consider giving up on this game. I loved it so far. Even with its flaws. But this, no thanks. I will not support something like that if theres no compensation.

We pay them. For once they should listen to their customers and cancel this. Best gear setups are going to be absolute useless. And if you wanna get new stuff, you just start again by zero. Sry, but i cant. This is too much..

Would be half way okay, if they hadnt nerfed the spots to farm some gold. Talking about Crows Wood or the one in Grahtwood as an example. They wanna implement such huge changes and on the other hand are taking away almost all possibilities to get good money to buy all the upgrade mats again. Its already hard to just get Rosin for under 6k. you need 8. So GG. Me and way more ppl i know and talked to will quit if it goes live like that.

You know, i couldnt care less if it would just be minor adjustments to the boni. But this is a complete mess. Zenimax, you will loose a good chunk of players with this. People are loosing trust in what your decisions are.

Selodaoc · July 2014

I also think theres quite alot of people ingame that dont know about this, the changes will go live, and then its to late for people to voice their concerns.

There will be a massive outrage if this goes through.

Birfreben_Kinghelred · July 2014

I'm really looking forward to the new sets. they will make leveling vet7-12 that much more fun. They look pretty balanced too. Should be a lot more diversity with these changes.

As for those that powergamed to vet12 to rock a resto stick and willows path/night mother skirts. (the only sets that are actually being nerfed, and not really because they just are used for something other than 70% crit crystal shards spam) I cant say I feel bad for you... Surely, you didn't think decking your max level character out in legendary gear 3 months after release was a good choice? did you?

You were intelligent enough to find the quickest way to max level. You were intelligent enough to farm all that gold for an entire set of legendary gear. You were intelligent enough to find the most powerful sets and armour combination. But you were just so naive the this very needed nerf...? BS m8.

Zabus · July 2014

Sucks for the people who spend their gold crafting legendary. Good thing I don't bother crafting it, but I really do feel bad for y'all. Really hope some kind of refund thing exists.

LtCrunch · July 2014

Ha. Thanks for the laugh.

Selodaoc · July 2014

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

I'm really looking forward to the new sets. they will make leveling vet7-12 that much more fun. They look pretty balanced too. Should be a lot more diversity with these changes.

As for those that powergamed to vet12 to rock a resto stick and willows path/night mother skirts. (the only sets that are actually being nerfed, and not really because they just are used for something other than 70% crit crystal shards spam) I cant say I feel bad for you... Surely, you didn't think decking your max level character out in legendary gear 3 months after release was a good choice? did you?

You were intelligent enough to find the quickest way to max level. You were intelligent enough to farm all that gold for an entire set of legendary gear. You were intelligent enough to find the most powerful sets and armour combination. But you were just so naive the this very needed nerf...? BS m8.

Powergame..it has taken me until yesterday to get to VR12.
That is extremly slow leveling.

All gold ive gotten, ive gotten from questing. Theres no reliable way to get alot of gold after VR12.
Sure, i can claw my eyes out motif farming.

Why shouldnt we craft epic/legendary gear? They arent thinking of upping level for a while (or atleast theyve said so)
Some of us want to see how strong we can get in PvP, or how much dmg we can do in PvE content.

Im not even a sorcerer so i dont have crystal shards.

This is the first mmo ive played, and ive played most of them, that has completly changed setbonuses.
Some of them have added bonuses, but not change them completly.

I would be fine with changes to willow and twilight if the new stats actually were any good for DPS magicka users, spell dmg isnt really that good either becouse weapon skills are weapon dmg.

How can you go from making a set a Magicka dps set wth spell crit, to a tank set with incomming healing and health?

xMovingTarget · July 2014

This community.......

heyguyslol · July 2014

xMovingTarget wrote: »

I see a black future for eso if this goes live like it is. This is a reason i really consider giving up on this game. I loved it so far. Even with its flaws. But this, no thanks. I will not support something like that if theres no compensation.

We pay them. For once they should listen to their customers and cancel this. Best gear setups are going to be absolute useless. And if you wanna get new stuff, you just start again by zero. Sry, but i cant. This is too much..

Would be half way okay, if they hadnt nerfed the spots to farm some gold. Talking about Crows Wood or the one in Grahtwood as an example. They wanna implement such huge changes and on the other hand are taking away almost all possibilities to get good money to buy all the upgrade mats again. Its already hard to just get Rosin for under 6k. you need 8. So GG. Me and way more ppl i know and talked to will quit if it goes live like that.

You know, i couldnt care less if it would just be minor adjustments to the boni. But this is a complete mess. Zenimax, you will loose a good chunk of players with this. People are loosing trust in what your decisions are.

Yep I'm nearly VR12 and I crafted up all my gear the other day spending about 300k total which took me a long ass time to save up. Tbh if this goes live I may just quit. This move is something I would expect from Blizzard Entertainment which is why I dont play their games. If Zos plans to go down this same road then I no longer feel that I can trust their dev choices to making the game better and will cancel my sub.

So far most of their changes nerfs/buffs have been reasonable meaning not game breaking but this to me is just flat out unacceptable.

Selodaoc · July 2014

I know alot of people that are already thinking of quitting if this goes live.

People have just spent to much effort and gold crafting gear that will now be totally useless.

xMovingTarget · July 2014

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Tbh if this goes live I may just quit. This move is something I would expect from Blizzard Entertainment which is why I dont play their games. If Zos plans to go down this same road then I no longer feel that I can trust their dev choices to making the game better and will cancel my sub.

So far most of their changes nerfs/buffs have been reasonable meaning not game breaking but this to me is just flat out unacceptable.

I am with you mate.

Zury1001ub17_ESO · July 2014

i cant even login with any of my characters w/o starting over...

Fissh · July 2014

OMG!! The end of the world is coming!!!
Seriously though, this IS bad. I myself would be out x64 legendary mats i used to make my endgame gear. But I DO digress. This "i am going to quit, and I spoke to my friends and they will too..." crap is kind of on the immature side. Do what you are doing, i.e. forums, express the loss economically you will suffer, and gather support, but DONT go down the whiney road. We can get together on this without all the hate speeches people. It is in fact NOT live yet, so CONSTRUCTIVELY petition for a better solution, leave out the dramatics....

Maverick827 · July 2014

Fissh wrote: »

OMG!! The end of the world is coming!!!
Seriously though, this IS bad. I myself would be out x64 legendary mats i used to make my endgame gear. But I DO digress. This "i am going to quit, and I spoke to my friends and they will too..." crap is kind of on the immature side. Do what you are doing, i.e. forums, express the loss economically you will suffer, and gather support, but DONT go down the whiney road. We can get together on this without all the hate speeches people. It is in fact NOT live yet, so CONSTRUCTIVELY petition for a better solution, leave out the dramatics....

The problem is that Zenimax has only responded to whiney dramatic posts so far. DK nerfs, Bolt Escape nerfs, stamina buffs, NB buffs, Templar buffs. They all come after a surge of whiney posts on the forums. We've been conditioned to whine because Zenimax only talks through balance changes with a few select guilds in private.

LunaRae · July 2014

Selodaoc wrote: »

I just reached VR12 the other day, and spent around 300k crafting 2 sets, and after 1.3 those sets will become totally useless for me.

I'm sorry, 300k? You mean 300g ??? I'm not sure if you spent every crafting mat you ever collected on your road to VR12 but I saved everything knowing I would eventually replace ANY set once I got to VR12. Had all my green/blue/purp/gold mats ready for crafting (saved up from my quest to VR12) and had researched my armors/weapons that I knew I wanted to use. Still researching 8 trait, but I was able to craft all of my own VR12 gear for 0 gold, just needed the mats I already had.

I've definitely switched up my builds to try different things, and yea I've spent money because I couldn't craft things I wasn't considering so I bought some gear from crafters. But damn, 300k?

Ok - so regardless of the mistakes you made, you still have a valid point - what about the people who don't have oodles of money. I certainly do not have a lot (30k). What can you do? Here are a few things I'm doing

1. Creating a new char, power leveling through grinding. Collecting EVERYTHING, insta-selling and with a level 32 Templar I'm at 20k from straight selling (minimal researching). Certainly at VR12 new chars need money, but the grinding process definitely has good potential for making SOME money. If you don't have all the chars you want, if you want to try something new - definitely look into this. Gives you a chance to level a new char, try new stuff and make money.

2. Partake in PvP!!! I got robbed by Zeni because I never switched my home campaign to Wabba w/ my friends (was waiting for campaign wipes, didn't want to waste points) and got NO MONEY from partaking in PvP in a guest campaign. My friends got 40k!!! For their time spent in PvP! Per character!!! Like wow, so much money. I better get some good ca$h this round of campaigns.

3. Spend some dedicated time gathering mats, looking into every crate for rare books, etc... People are buying raw mats, buying crafting mats, provision mats, everything right now. Stop what you're doing and go find what they want to buy. Sure it's not 10k at a time (unless you get a book, you can insta-sell Imperial for 35-40k; if you're greedy wait for the right buyer and sell for 50k).

4. In addition to point #2 head into PvP and grind repeat quests. 300gold a pop you can accumulate gold and fast. Worried about getting ganked? You should be, I'd kill you if I saw you (for the Pact!

) Go pick an empty campaign, or one where your faction is winning. A lot of people get $$$ from grinding PvP quests.

Don't like the word "grind" ??? I can't help with that, I'm just sharing my thoughts on how I'm making money right now when I need it. Good luck!

heyguyslol · July 2014

Fissh wrote: »

OMG!! The end of the world is coming!!!
Seriously though, this IS bad. I myself would be out x64 legendary mats i used to make my endgame gear. But I DO digress. This "i am going to quit, and I spoke to my friends and they will too..." crap is kind of on the immature side. Do what you are doing, i.e. forums, express the loss economically you will suffer, and gather support, but DONT go down the whiney road. We can get together on this without all the hate speeches people. It is in fact NOT live yet, so CONSTRUCTIVELY petition for a better solution, leave out the dramatics....

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but a lot of us do not feel like starting over from scratch. This is the live game not beta. If they had planned to make drastic changes like this it should have been done prior to launch.

The fact that a lot of us are seriously considering quitting the game just tells Zos that no this action is not what we want and is not acceptable and if you proceed with this choice then a good portion of the player base will most likely leave because as I said they have been voted as no confidence in their decision making for the good of the game with this action.

The only players who are not upset about these changes are the ones who have not yet reached end game content or they buy gold and money is no object so restarting from scratch is no object to them.

You can't expect the player base who have reached end game content legitimately to idly sit by and allow these changes to happen with out voicing our disagreement or concerns do you? Calling us QQ'rs may be true but we have damn good reason to QQ.

xMovingTarget · July 2014

Fissh wrote: »

OMG!! The end of the world is coming!!!
Seriously though, this IS bad. I myself would be out x64 legendary mats i used to make my endgame gear. But I DO digress. This "i am going to quit, and I spoke to my friends and they will too..." crap is kind of on the immature side. Do what you are doing, i.e. forums, express the loss economically you will suffer, and gather support, but DONT go down the whiney road. We can get together on this without all the hate speeches people. It is in fact NOT live yet, so CONSTRUCTIVELY petition for a better solution, leave out the dramatics....

Why is it immature? And wheres the hate speech? People arent allowed to state their opinion?
I would rather have them done fixes to the skillines. Not just fix unbalance with gear. Also i cannot trust in a company screwing over your whole character over and over again. Some of it was indeed needed. But this is way too much. For sure its great for weapon based Characters. But why mess it up completely. Why not just make minor adjustment of existing sets and improving weapon based sets instead.

Willows is nerfed to oblivion. The set which almost every player using spell builds is wearing. This will screw over many many players which then are going to loose even more faith/trust in Zenimax. Which results in leaving. Its already empty as -snip-.

All the regen on this sets. Such a waste. What do i need 10 more Magicka regen for if i can just use Spell Symmetry. Even cost reduction is better than that. I dont even wanna see the new Aether set now. I am wearing 4x Aether(Leg) 3xWillows(Leg). Probably have to get everything new. At least they left the 10% spell crit from covenant rings + staff set alone.

I dont wanna go through that struggle again to upgrade it all again. Mats are expensive. Getting gold is nerfed. So yeah. I rather quit then. The respecc is enough of a goldsink.

Another alternative would have been to announce these changes when they also up the veteran rank again. You have to upgrade anyway. But this is just crazy.

heyguyslol · July 2014

Zury1001ub17_ESO wrote: »

i cant even login with any of my characters w/o starting over...

So I just canceled my sub in hopes that like most mmo's they always ask why u are canceling but nope I hit cancel & submit and thats it no feedback asked as to why I canceled. This is the first mmo that has not done that which really surprises me that they don't care or want to know why players are leaving their game.

heyguyslol · July 2014

LunaRae wrote: »

Selodaoc wrote: »

I just reached VR12 the other day, and spent around 300k crafting 2 sets, and after 1.3 those sets will become totally useless for me.

I'm sorry, 300k? You mean 300g ??? I'm not sure if you spent every crafting mat you ever collected on your road to VR12 but I saved everything knowing I would eventually replace ANY set once I got to VR12. Had all my green/blue/purp/gold mats ready for crafting (saved up from my quest to VR12) and had researched my armors/weapons that I knew I wanted to use. Still researching 8 trait, but I was able to craft all of my own VR12 gear for 0 gold, just needed the mats I already had.

I've definitely switched up my builds to try different things, and yea I've spent money because I couldn't craft things I wasn't considering so I bought some gear from crafters. But damn, 300k?

Ok - so regardless of the mistakes you made, you still have a valid point - what about the people who don't have oodles of money. I certainly do not have a lot (30k). What can you do? Here are a few things I'm doing

1. Creating a new char, power leveling through grinding. Collecting EVERYTHING, insta-selling and with a level 32 Templar I'm at 20k from straight selling (minimal researching). Certainly at VR12 new chars need money, but the grinding process definitely has good potential for making SOME money. If you don't have all the chars you want, if you want to try something new - definitely look into this. Gives you a chance to level a new char, try new stuff and make money.

2. Partake in PvP!!! I got robbed by Zeni because I never switched my home campaign to Wabba w/ my friends (was waiting for campaign wipes, didn't want to waste points) and got NO MONEY from partaking in PvP in a guest campaign. My friends got 40k!!! For their time spent in PvP! Per character!!! Like wow, so much money. I better get some good ca$h this round of campaigns.

3. Spend some dedicated time gathering mats, looking into every crate for rare books, etc... People are buying raw mats, buying crafting mats, provision mats, everything right now. Stop what you're doing and go find what they want to buy. Sure it's not 10k at a time (unless you get a book, you can insta-sell Imperial for 35-40k; if you're greedy wait for the right buyer and sell for 50k).

4. In addition to point #2 head into PvP and grind repeat quests. 300gold a pop you can accumulate gold and fast. Worried about getting ganked? You should be, I'd kill you if I saw you (for the Pact! ) Go pick an empty campaign, or one where your faction is winning. A lot of people get $$$ from grinding PvP quests.

Don't like the word "grind" ??? I can't help with that, I'm just sharing my thoughts on how I'm making money right now when I need it. Good luck!

Yep 300k sounds about right when u figure in all the crafting mats needed for vr12 legendary gear with the best yellow enchants not to mention that most ppl have more than one set for pve and pvp. One of my guildies has 6 sets total for tank, dps, and pvp combined which is about 1 million gold worth of gear. He alrdy said if this patch goes thru he's quitting also. Just cuz you may not use or craft legendary gear doesn't mean that others dont.

rophez_ESO · July 2014

Sucks for people who crafted gold already, but these changes are much needed. I suggest just crafting some blues for the new sets and start saving. What's the point of an MMO but to strive for new stuff, anyway? Enjoy the ride, folks!

heyguyslol · July 2014

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Sucks for people who crafted gold already, but these changes are much needed. I suggest just crafting some blues for the new sets and start saving. What's the point of an MMO but to strive for new stuff, anyway? Enjoy the ride, folks!

We should only be replacing gear by advancing further thru end game content not by totally redesigning/changing the current gear in the game. I have no problems replacing my gear as I progress thru end game content thats the way it's suppose to be but restarting from scratch on all gear sets, breaking builds, and loosing thousands of gold in the process is not an enjoyable ride unless u enjoy taking it up the [snip] which I don't because I like [snip]:P
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Birfreben_Kinghelred · July 2014

Selodaoc wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

I'm really looking forward to the new sets. they will make leveling vet7-12 that much more fun. They look pretty balanced too. Should be a lot more diversity with these changes.

As for those that powergamed to vet12 to rock a resto stick and willows path/night mother skirts. (the only sets that are actually being nerfed, and not really because they just are used for something other than 70% crit crystal shards spam) I cant say I feel bad for you... Surely, you didn't think decking your max level character out in legendary gear 3 months after release was a good choice? did you?

You were intelligent enough to find the quickest way to max level. You were intelligent enough to farm all that gold for an entire set of legendary gear. You were intelligent enough to find the most powerful sets and armour combination. But you were just so naive the this very needed nerf...? BS m8.

Powergame..it has taken me until yesterday to get to VR12.
That is extremly slow leveling.

All gold ive gotten, ive gotten from questing. Theres no reliable way to get alot of gold after VR12.
Sure, i can claw my eyes out motif farming.

Why shouldnt we craft epic/legendary gear? They arent thinking of upping level for a while (or atleast theyve said so)
Some of us want to see how strong we can get in PvP, or how much dmg we can do in PvE content.

Im not even a sorcerer so i dont have crystal shards.

This is the first mmo ive played, and ive played most of them, that has completly changed setbonuses.
Some of them have added bonuses, but not change them completly.

I would be fine with changes to willow and twilight if the new stats actually were any good for DPS magicka users, spell dmg isnt really that good either becouse weapon skills are weapon dmg.

How can you go from making a set a Magicka dps set wth spell crit, to a tank set with incomming healing and health?

Where your problem lies is in believing that the spell crit on willows path and night mothers gaze was the sets only purpose.

Night mothers set was obviously intended for rogues. It was confused, it gave spell crit, but reduced armour... it is much better now.

And willows path always struck me as a healing set. Because of the regen and spell critical. It regens better now, almost all characters can make use of 10 regen across all attributes and 15% more regen in combat, not just tanks, lol.

There is not a single set that has been "completely changed." they all resemble what they were previously. Except maybe hist bark.

If you are really going to quit playing a game because your armour now has 6% less spell crit... I cant imagine what zenimax would have to do to keep you around, and its probably not worth it.

Maverick827 · July 2014

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

There is not a single set that has been "completely changed." they all resemble what they were previously. Except maybe hist bark.

This is categorically false. They were sets that provided spell crit and now they don't. That is completely changed.

Birfreben_Kinghelred · July 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

There is not a single set that has been "completely changed." they all resemble what they were previously. Except maybe hist bark.

This is categorically false. They were sets that provided spell crit and now they don't. That is completely changed.

1 set, 5 % spell crit, the other still provides 4% crit on the 3 slot. every set is more complete and they all make alot more sense. sorry you light armour wearers with your spell reductions, resistance penetration and spell cost reductions cant out crit medium armour wearers. Big mistake zenimax!!!

Maverick827 · July 2014

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

There is not a single set that has been "completely changed." they all resemble what they were previously. Except maybe hist bark.

This is categorically false. They were sets that provided spell crit and now they don't. That is completely changed.

1 set, 5 % spell crit, the other still provides 4% crit on the 3 slot. every set is more complete and they all make alot more sense. sorry you light armour wearers with your spell reductions, resistance penetration and spell cost reductions cant out crit medium armour wearers. Big mistake zenimax!!!

I don't see any relevant point if you're trying to make one.

Birfreben_Kinghelred · July 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Birfreben_Kinghelred wrote: »

There is not a single set that has been "completely changed." they all resemble what they were previously. Except maybe hist bark.

This is categorically false. They were sets that provided spell crit and now they don't. That is completely changed.

1 set, 5 % spell crit, the other still provides 4% crit on the 3 slot. every set is more complete and they all make alot more sense. sorry you light armour wearers with your spell reductions, resistance penetration and spell cost reductions cant out crit medium armour wearers. Big mistake zenimax!!!

I don't see any relevant point if you're trying to make one.

Ignorance is bliss. Why do you cry?

Brandoid · July 2014

To the posts about spending 300k and the one about the guy's friend having 1million gold worth of gear: Load of bull.

You/they are doing it wrong. You got scammed hard by whoever sold you the mats.

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