mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Seroczynski wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

In PvP, yes..............run up, drop standard of might and then spam talons/shield bash so you are CC locked (and before you all scream, "just roll out of it!" Well because of the way the mechanics work, or don't, you can't). While you are busy trying in vain to roll out of it, they kill you. Wish I had an ultimate that would strip 1100 life when dropped.

Move out of the Standard. If he spam Talons, CC break it once and be immune for another Talon for the next 3 seconds. It's not that hard. You are either living in the past (pre-DK nerfs), trolling, or have no clue on how to deal with DK's in PVP.

Correct me if I am wrong, but talons can not be cc breaked. Only dodge roll gets you out of it. At least it never work for me to mash both mouse button at the same time. For stun it works, but not for talons.

You can't CC break the talons you can only roll as it's soft CC.

But as I said on the other thread, every class has an AoE ultie, a hard CC ability and a soft CC ability. You can do to the DK exactly what they do to you

I doubt that pretty much.

Sorc... Ok I root you and deal zero damage. Talons.. You are rooted and taking damage in the process.

Also sorc need to aim his/her aoe root while dk just gets near you and press a button.

Aoe damage overload... Hmm not the best one. You need to aim and can be stunned in the process. Negate well that does no dmg.

Atronach. Yup that could work, but I don't even have this learned. So I can't say how effective it is compared to standard.

NB - I have low level so I did not see a single root skill, which one is aoe root for NB? (serious question, I really don't know)

AOE I saw that one, seems to work similary like standard, but it did less dmg to me truth to be told.

Templar I do not know. Never played it yet.

Well you roll out and he grip you back and talons again. You roll out and die because all stamina said bye bye and you took a lot of damage in escaping process.

The only class which can get out is sorc with bolt escape.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Well you roll out and he grip you back and talons again. You roll out and die because all stamina said bye bye and you took a lot of damage in escaping process.

The only class which can get out is sorc with bolt escape.

..or you roll out and animation cancel attacks with block so he can't pull you back in while you kite him. He'll eventually have to move out of the standard

Also, you gain a 3 sec immunity to talons and the chain pull. He can't keep spamming them to keep you under it.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Seroczynski wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

In PvP, yes..............run up, drop standard of might and then spam talons/shield bash so you are CC locked (and before you all scream, "just roll out of it!" Well because of the way the mechanics work, or don't, you can't). While you are busy trying in vain to roll out of it, they kill you. Wish I had an ultimate that would strip 1100 life when dropped.

Move out of the Standard. If he spam Talons, CC break it once and be immune for another Talon for the next 3 seconds. It's not that hard. You are either living in the past (pre-DK nerfs), trolling, or have no clue on how to deal with DK's in PVP.

Correct me if I am wrong, but talons can not be cc breaked. Only dodge roll gets you out of it. At least it never work for me to mash both mouse button at the same time. For stun it works, but not for talons.

I stand corrected, but rolling out of them is hardly any more trouble.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Well you roll out and he grip you back and talons again. You roll out and die because all stamina said bye bye and you took a lot of damage in escaping process.

The only class which can get out is sorc with bolt escape.

That is more of a stamina-build problem then with the DK. It's clear that pure stamina builds are broken and need attention.

I personally play my DK the way that I want which is all heavy and Sword and Board. I only have 1 magic skill on my bar (GDB) (Yes, I only use 1 skill bar) and the rest Stamina weapon skills and I have fun and am moderately challenged by the content. If I really wanted to be like "everyone else" and use the light armor + staff + magic skills I could but I tend not to do what everyone else is doing. More often than not things get nerfed when people find "OP" ways of playing a class and copy each other.

Dalglish wrote: »

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Revy wrote: »

Cant you just lvl up heavy armor to get immovable? Pretty sure you dont even need to be wearing heavy armor to use it and seems like a justifiable slot to counter many DKs.

No, you need at least 1 element of heavy armor equipped to have Immovable.

Wrong, at this moment in time anyway.

You could run naked and still use any of the armour abilities.

Hopefully this will get fixed.

They are op in pvp.

You do not want to discover their dps at melee range. And their scales shutdown all of your ranged attacks. That leaves you with very subpar options versus a class who can then tank you all day.

You could still beat a bad dk 1v1, but even then you would need time and patience to set things up correctly. So when that same dk is in a group, he has less to fear because he knows time and setup is not on your side and he is therefore one of the last targeted.

So again, in pvp they are enjoying the king's position at the moment.

Vis wrote: »

They are op in pvp.

You do not want to discover their dps at melee range. And their scales shutdown all of your ranged attacks. That leaves you with very subpar options versus a class who can then tank you all day.

You could still beat a bad dk 1v1, but even then you would need time and patience to set things up correctly. So when that same dk is in a group, he has less to fear because he knows time and setup is not on your side and he is therefore one of the last targeted.

So again, in pvp they are enjoying the king's position at the moment.

Enough...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM1k3jcnrvk

Seroczynski wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

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We heard you the first time bro..

Doesn't stop them saying the same thing again and again, why should it stop me.

No. They are not, people just like to complain. Im thinking about just playing my Nightblade full time because Dragonknights are being nerfed to Oblivion... hah you like my pun? If you're heavy armor, melee Dragonknight you are not OP and barely viable after all the nerfs despite what goes on here on the forums.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Seroczynski wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

In PvP, yes..............run up, drop standard of might and then spam talons/shield bash so you are CC locked (and before you all scream, "just roll out of it!" Well because of the way the mechanics work, or don't, you can't). While you are busy trying in vain to roll out of it, they kill you. Wish I had an ultimate that would strip 1100 life when dropped.

Move out of the Standard. If he spam Talons, CC break it once and be immune for another Talon for the next 3 seconds. It's not that hard. You are either living in the past (pre-DK nerfs), trolling, or have no clue on how to deal with DK's in PVP.

Correct me if I am wrong, but talons can not be cc breaked. Only dodge roll gets you out of it. At least it never work for me to mash both mouse button at the same time. For stun it works, but not for talons.

I tried many times to break in PVP Talons with roll, and just didn't move at all.

In PVE I do not have issue to break the Talons of NPC thought.

It has nothing to do with Talons its the insane cost ZOS has put on Breaking CC. There were several times last night in Shadda that i was so damn Discouraged with ice shackles and the cost to break it. They hid difficulty behind one shot mechanics and a slog of mechanics were one miss step will likely set a chain of circumstances that is not recoverable from. Stamina has and continues to be completely broken melee is completely un viable in PVE end game and ZOS continues to ignore it and side step these things. They completely backed away from everything they talked about in their june Road ahead from what they said aside from the Dye and guild tabards and systems. Basically fluff content no hard lined overhauls like they spoke of in june. Its a complete 180 from what the community manager fed us weeks ago when the bulk of the population hit VR and saw the broken state of the game.

From the responses I have seen so far. It seems the vast majority of dragon nights seem to be using staffs and light armor. Why wont they just nerf staffs and light armor or just buff everything else. As I see it staffs and light armor basically allows the DK to constantly spam his skills and that seems to be what most people are complaining about.

Redlag wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

I am really tired of this bs that dk is op. The scales are effective if noobs attack the player. The spell itself costs around 300 magicka with full light armor, lasts 4 secs and has a distinctive animation. If you cannot see the dk's cast the wings and keep attacking them dont blame the dks, blame your lack of brain function. Also talons have a small radius and if noobs stay inside the standard of might dont blame the dk. DK's before all the current nerfs were op, now they re in a good place.

And if the DK heavy attacks with a resto staff to replenish his magicka and still has a second before reflective wears off.. What does the noob who doesn't attack him do?

Switches to a stamina build HUEHUEHEUHEUHEUHEUHEU

Redlag wrote: »

Vunter wrote: »

Well, with my sorcerer I feel much more powerful than with my dragonknight.
Yesterday I even killed 2 or 3 VR10 chars in PVP, and he's level 24. I guess it's a proof, right?

No, it isn't.

Anyway, DKs with light + staff or light + sword and shield + weapon swap with resto are powerful. Dragon Blood can only restore 30% of your missing health, and spamming it can't heal you to 100%. And for someone without the freaking light armor it costs some magicka.

Sorry for my rudeness, but my medium armor DK he's having a bad time in VR group dungeons.

LMAO, I have one of each class to VR.

Without a doubt DKs are overpowered. Draconic power is the best skill line in the game. The fact that you're trying to do VR PvE content in medium armor on a DK says you don't understand the mechanics of ESO enough to comment on balance at all.

Draconic power:
Spiked armor: Your light armor is now plate with magicka resistance, reduced magicka costs per spell, increased magicka regen, spell crit, spell piercing.
Burning Talons: Mobs are rooted and can't hit you anymore anways, while theyre on fire.
Green Dragon Blood: Heal and stamina regen for more blocks
Reflective scales: AHAHAHAHA LMAO This skill means you should NEVER ever NEVER ever ever ever never die to a caster. You can literally equip a resto staff & Heavy attack for mana return in between casting it. Hit reflective, heavy resto attack for the mana back, and you still have a second to pick your nose before reflective wears off while the hardest cast mobs in the game kill themselves. Finding a caster boss anywhere is free exp.

The line turns you into a self healer, a tank, and not only immune to all magic but mobs kill themselves too (double whammy).

You don't know how to play a DK if you're having trouble with VR PvE content.

I said light + staff is certainly powerful, i meant destro and resto staves, maybe I wasn't clear enough?
And yes, I can and everyone should be able to wear a medium armor with a dk.
We should be able to play a any class with any weapon and armor, not only sword and shield or staves + light armor, that was why they said "play the way you want".

And I'm not having troubles with VR PVE content, thanks for worrying, just the group dungeons, because I can't do enough DPS to GROUP DUNGEONS' bosses without taking too much damage (but I must say that me and my friends haven't tried doing those with a real tank).

So.. You want to talk about skills? Fine. Here are my opinions.

Spiked armor: Your light armor is now plate with magicka resistance, reduced magicka costs per spell, increased magicka regen, spell crit, spell piercing.

Light armor FTW

Burning Talons: Mobs are rooted and can't hit you anymore anways, while theyre on fire.

That's what any roots skill does, the damage isn't so high. But with light armor it increases.

Green Dragon Blood: Heal and stamina regen for more blocks

You can't heal yourself completely only with this skill, since it restores 30% of your missing health.

Reflective scales: AHAHAHAHA LMAO This skill means you should NEVER ever NEVER ever ever ever never die to a caster. You can literally equip a resto staff & Heavy attack for mana return in between casting it. Hit reflective, heavy resto attack for the mana back, and you still have a second to pick your nose before reflective wears off while the hardest cast mobs in the game kill themselves. Finding a caster boss anywhere is free exp.

This skill is useful and shouldn't be removed from DK skills, since all the offensive abilities, except fiery grip and the stone punch one (don't remember the name atm), are melee.
OP only If you have a staff or bow (but lol, staff is just better than everything else, right?)... with the light armor, since without it can't be spammed.

This is the first time I wrote so much on this forum probably lol
Pls reply politely :I

Erock25 wrote: »

Redlag wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

I am really tired of this bs that dk is op. The scales are effective if noobs attack the player. The spell itself costs around 300 magicka with full light armor, lasts 4 secs and has a distinctive animation. If you cannot see the dk's cast the wings and keep attacking them dont blame the dks, blame your lack of brain function. Also talons have a small radius and if noobs stay inside the standard of might dont blame the dk. DK's before all the current nerfs were op, now they re in a good place.

And if the DK heavy attacks with a resto staff to replenish his magicka and still has a second before reflective wears off.. What does the noob who doesn't attack him do?

Switches to a stamina build HUEHUEHEUHEUHEUHEUHEU

Funnily enough that's what I do with my sorc! No jokes this time, honest