Is this a joke? Cannot kill a Boss in standard quest!

Sallakat · June 2014

I haven't tried this specific boss on VR level that high (I'm a dominion player) but I believe that fight is more on being super precise than what damage you can dish out. Of course, this might not be the case if it's broken atm.

I died few times while doing that on my sorc but figured the best way was (after you kill the big fatty around the corner), that you stand right on top of the healer so you'll have the needed range to bash the heck out of him when he starts healing himself after he roots you (at least I couldn't get out of the root by dodging or anything). It seemed like a split second reaction was needed to time everything right so he couldn't heal himself up all the time. It's really imperative you interrupt all the heals, otherwise you're ofc screwed.

Nasty boss even on low level. I hope you get it done

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fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

Mjoel wrote: »

Im a VR12 Templar

SO are those that cheesed VR1-VR12 on pre-nerfbat anomalies.

Not saying you did, just point out announcing you're VR12 gives you no added credibility since getting to that level doesn't mean per se you did any VR leveling the intended way.

EQBallzz · June 2014

Hilgara wrote: »

Pull fat guy round the corner and kill him. Circle the other one and interrupt his casts. There is a common mechanic in this game where mobs with powerful abilities have to stop tracking you for half a second to cast. if you are circling while fighting all the time you never get hit because you always move out of the dead zone. Stuns work well as interrupts too so volcanic rune is a winner here.

Killed the fat guy no problem. The issue is that the heal is impossible to interrupt. The interrupt happens but from the time she starts casting and the time the interrupt lands she is full health and my stamina is that much lower. Rinse/repeat and she stays at full health while my resources deplete.

Also, volcanic rune and knock-backs are not a winner because she can't be knocked back or knocked up so they don't do anything apparently (I believe the dmg part works but nothing else). I don't know if that is intended or a bug but the only interrupt I could use on her is the standard block + left mouse click and that was not working due to her instant complete heal that happens before the interrupt lands.

It's also not helping that my ultimate ability has stopped working as of today. This game is so horribly bugged and unbalanced it's maddening.

sajackson · June 2014

This boss could be a problem pre veteran so it's not just VR players that are suffering. Soloing the boss does require interrupting the heal and fast reactions at that but there are 2 issues that can make it impossible for an individual player:-

1. I found that you really need to get her off that platform that she likes to stand on. This was because I had difficulty successfully interrupting mobs that are elevated compared to myself, even if I was right in their face. This seems to be an issue with the collision detection in the client but at least is something you can control if you're aware of it.

2. Lag is also a major player because healer npc's will often start healing before the animation appears if you're suffering from this which is why the boss seems to heal up so fast. Unfortunately there are many aspects to lag that may be out of a players immediate control making this issue a real show stopper if you're suffering from it on mobs like this.

For this boss I think most people just end up grouping to get it done - there are a few npcs like this.

Kiwi · June 2014

the difficulty spikes dramatically post V8+
very deterring as a solo player

AngryNord · June 2014

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I swear to God, the L2P crowd will waste no opportunity to try to make themselves look superior by belittling and demeaning others--even when the opportunity blatantly isn't there.

It's the same with those who say "well find someone to do it with then" to people struggling with the way overpowered Main Quest/Guld Quest bosses and mobs, even tho they know full well that these quests are FORCED solo.

LordEcks · June 2014

Did you try throwing the Nintendo controller at the screen while shouting obsceneties?

No seriously. The VR levels arent balanced at all. My advice though is to just take it in stride and keep trying. Eventually you'll get lucky, but dont get so discouraged and frustrated when you don't. I personally enjoy the challenge, but I dont disagree that its horribly imbalanced and should be fixed.

Most players just dont enjoy dying or playing games on extremely hard settings. Personally my beef with VR isnt the difficulty.. but the uninspired fashion in which the quests were rehashed for the mode.

Its almost as bad as playing the exact same game 3 times on increasingly frustratingly difficult difficulty levels. (Diablo3?)

I'm guessing none of you ever tried Dark Souls? You'll learn so many ways to curse on that game.

EQBallzz · June 2014

sajackson wrote: »

This boss could be a problem pre veteran so it's not just VR players that are suffering. Soloing the boss does require interrupting the heal and fast reactions at that but there are 2 issues that can make it impossible for an individual player:-

1. I found that you really need to get her off that platform that she likes to stand on. This was because I had difficulty successfully interrupting mobs that are elevated compared to myself, even if I was right in their face. This seems to be an issue with the collision detection in the client but at least is something you can control if you're aware of it.

2. Lag is also a major player because healer npc's will often start healing before the animation appears if you're suffering from this which is why the boss seems to heal up so fast. Unfortunately there are many aspects to lag that may be out of a players immediate control making this issue a real show stopper if you're suffering from it on mobs like this.

For this boss I think most people just end up grouping to get it done - there are a few npcs like this.

Yeah, based on previous experiences that was the first thing I did..pull her off that platform. Just hit her from range and then break LOS to force her to me. Still didn't matter because I can't stop her from healing.

It might be lag though I don't normally experience much lag and I'm not noticing anything during the fight. It really seems more like it's bugged. That heal should be a channeled heal that will heal to full over time so you have a chance to interrupt but it appears to heal too much per tick or is just healing all at once instead of over time.

Time to put the VR9 NB back on the shelf again. Malabol Tor is just too frustrating and really not fun.

Biezenw22eb17_ESO · June 2014

I experienced described OP's situation myself a few days ago with another quest boss in another veteran zone, Namely the Magistrix Vox main zone quest end-boss in Deshaan. The Boss itself is immune to all CC effects, is a 2 hand melee attacker and summons adds over time, me as a templar (vet 4) healer/caster dps could not sustain my survival with self buffing/healing/blocking all the power attacks and THEN dish out dps to the boss and the adds without getting out of magicka. My ranged character is basicly doomed in these scenarios were these quest end-bosses tend to be immune to any CC spell/effect, meaning that i cant create the needed distance anymore between me and the target. And CC spells were my only reason for survival in veteran content to begin with.

sajackson · June 2014

I managed to do Vox at VR2 but interestingly I had major headaches with the alchemist guy in obsidion gorge at the same level. He was just hitting me like a full on ICBM and I couldn't survive in melee range of him for long enough to burn him down ("burn" being a relative term for Templars) even with all the self heals. The only way I beat it was to group with another couple of players at which point it became fairly trivial.

I'm not sure if Zeni are actually intending some of these bosses to be doable by groups only or not but if that is the intention then I guess they really need to fix some of the issues with the phasing etc...

traigusb14_ESO2 · June 2014

sajackson wrote: »

I managed to do Vox at VR2 but interestingly I had major headaches with the alchemist guy in obsidion gorge at the same level. He was just hitting me like a full on ICBM and I couldn't survive in melee range of him for long enough to burn him down ("burn" being a relative term for Templars) even with all the self heals. The only way I beat it was to group with another couple of players at which point it became fairly trivial.

I'm not sure if Zeni are actually intending some of these bosses to be doable by groups only or not but if that is the intention then I guess they really need to fix some of the issues with the phasing etc...

Yeah, I fought the Alchemist over 20 times at different levels pre VR. He would be a lot easier if his room wasn't so full of crap. Hard enough to stay out of his AOE without having to JUMP over boxes and crap to also get away. His casting is random though (doesn't always cast in the same order, like some bosses do). I Finally beat him because he cast a lot of the same spell in a row and I didn't have to climb a lot of furniture.

strefilb14_ESO · June 2014

My problem is that I use my stam for my attacks, which leaves me unable to keep this boss from healing. I know how to block/interrupt in ESO, im vet 9 and I've solo'd the whole *** way. The best I could do was lead her down to the water and use my bow, the interrupt morph on poison arrow seems to work on her. But then she just starts auto attacking and my NB can't take that sort of abuse long enough to kill her. Not many people in this zone to group with so I guess this ritual doesn't get stopped.

BrassRazoo · July 2014

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

i am pretty sure he never got it that you can interrupt by holding right mb+ click left mb in melee range (as told in tutorial)

I find it rather funny that people assume I could get to VR9 and not learn to interrupt.
Basically interrupt does not work on this boss and many others at times.
The NPC healing is just happens too quick and if you miss one second they are back at 100..
It may be fine if you are melee and always in their face but try ranging on a Sorc then having to run in and smash her in the face in the 2 seconds or less she takes to heal back to 100%.
You have to stand right on top of them and just hope you are not in the middle of a cast and the interrupt works or you have enough stam (which no caster stats) to actually interrupt.
I guess now with the VR un-hardcored it may be a little easier.

Sherrieg · July 2014

I am working of this also - she heals so quickly and I can't interrupt enough to stop her. Has anyone discovered a solution yet? There must be something that works!

Kafolarbear · July 2014

BrassRazoo wrote: »

Location: Malabar Tor
Level: VR9 (EP)
Quest: Arithiel
Tasks: Slay Cassia Varo and Igozai

Another stroke of genius. Solo quest have to slay two bosses.
Igozai is fine ... dead.
Cassia Vsro has 13,000 HP, with unlimited magic and just self heals back to 100% when down to about 9.000 HP.

Unable to knockback, unable to immobilise and even Ultimate Skills have little or no effect. Absorbtion Field does not silence.

As a Sorcerer my single targe DPS does not even get close to taking her out.
Even if I did, she just ignores everything I throw at her and heals straight to 100%.

Why do you even bother to make Solo quests like this?

I finished it when i was about 5 levels above the quest in non- veteran content, the ogrim was very easy, the healer i could not interrupt with anything but Venom arrow so i kept myself supplied with stamina potions.

BrassRazoo · July 2014

If people are still wondering I have finished the quests, and did so weeks ago, I am VR12 and completed Caldwells Almanac crap.
The fact still remains that I had to log out a number of times just to get interrupt to work correctly.
Also being a Boss at VR10, whatever others experienced at lower levels most likely does not apply.
Most Main Quest Bosses at this level, or perhaps all Bosses at this Level, cannot be silenced, cannot be crowd controlled, cannot be stunned.
They do however get interrupted if you slam them in for face with your weapon, and that is the only way to do this Boss at VR10.
This is why it is so silly.
An Archer, or Sorcerer, or any range only person MUST stand right in her face and slap her just as she starts casting. She even heals through the Ultimate Abilities.
If you have low or no stamina (I can only make two, maybe three attempts at interrupt before I am empty) or interrupt is either bugged or you are lagging even slightly, this fight is just totally annoying.
Basically the NPC heals are just too strong, simple as that.

DeLindsay · July 2014

elorei wrote: »

One of the easiest bosses in the game.

Remember in the tutorial when it told you how to interrupt casts, and the second mob you faced was a skeletal archer that you could interrupt? Yeah. Try that.

It really is this. Granted those players with poor latency might have issues here but as long as you interrupt a healing NPC they're stupid easy, even the boss variants. I can't remember if Venom Arrow worked on that boss or not but walking up to the enemy and standing in their face to interrupt w/e they want to cast/channel absolutely works.

Chatoyancy · July 2014

EQBallzz wrote: »

Killed the fat guy no problem. The issue is that the heal is impossible to interrupt. The interrupt happens but from the time she starts casting and the time the interrupt lands she is full health and my stamina is that much lower. Rinse/repeat and she stays at full health while my resources deplete.

This -- exactly the same issue I was having, and that was pre-VR. With latency, this fight is impossible, and that is definitely something ZOS needs to take into account. I had to group up to finish it.

Fortunately in my case, I later discovered that the latency problem was entirely my fault (I have ESO on an external SSD that is supposed to connect to my computer via USB 3.0, but it was only going USB 2.0 speeds for some reason), but there are many people who have latency issues due to factors out of their control.

Sapphy24 · July 2014

Give the guys who did it with one hand tied behind their backs medals omg they're just so good.

But I don't give a rats, I couldn't do it and i'm not going to put myself through that, i'm supposed to be having fun but this simply is NOT fun.

All mobs that continually heal to full health over and over and over are crazy. Sure, i've played games where a mob can heal to full health.. but never over and over and over and over and over.
I just end up wanting to kick the person who thought this was a good idea.

Sapphy24 · July 2014

Izatar wrote: »

Yes, this is supposed to be an interrupt test.
However, it doesn't work, at least it didn't for me. I live in Hawaii, so I suspect it is related to latency. If you have low latency, you interrupt her and burn her down. If you have high latency, as someone above states, the interrupt only works once in a while,and she heals in between.

In general, many things that people complain about that others don't have a problem with is based on latency: the level designers don't understand it I think.

You know what my worst nightmare in the game is? "E". That "E" is my most dreaded thing. Will press "E" transport me thorugh the door? Did it work? Should I press it again? How long should I wait before I press "E" again? Ooops, not long enough, I went through the door and then popped back again.
I hate "E". It is not robust to latency

We get some lag here in Australia too and it can make real time play somewhat difficult.
BUT
About E.
lol lol that is so funny, i've done this so many times before and usually when the enemy are right on my tail. They must be thinking i'm some sort of nut case popping in and out then back through keep doors.

Srugzal · July 2014

Forgive me if someone mentioned this, but at some point in my death saga with this boss (once I ran out of soul gems), and having tried everything, ESPECIALLY interrupt, the quest goal changed from "Kill" to "Find a way out" as if I had... but I never did kill her. Never got her lower than 30%, as a matter of fact. Nevertheless once I noticed the change in the quest goal, I stopped trying to kill her, crossed over the blood river, found the exit, turned in the quest, got the XP, and done.

I'm still scratching my head about that one. Sometimes I think there's an angel that comes and says "enough already" when you've died more than a couple of dozen times in less than an hour. It's happened before.

Sapphy24 · July 2014

Mjoel wrote: »

Im a VR12 Templar... i don't understand ppl posting something... i did it you can do it too it needs maybe 1-3 trys (maybe more) but you can finish it cancel enemy magic with block+attack (most magic can be canceled even if you are a sorc you can do that)

Try to understand.

Katkon · July 2014

This post - specifically many of the whiny responses lamenting how horrible this game is due to "impossible" content (which is actually easily doable if you strategize a bit) perfectly sums up the problem with ESO currently: its players. Seriously, it's incredibly frustrating to see whining like this when its clearly not a broken game mechanic but rather an intended mechanic that requires thought and a bit of skill.... But only a little bit! C'mon guys - man up for cryin' out loud!!

Mescalamba · July 2014

Another reason to think, that it would be better if enemies were bit more clever or challenging in another aspects than just being CC immune.

I mean, whats wrong with even bosses having CC break (especially humanoid ones). That would be ok. CC immunity isnt, its just cheap trick to make it harder..

If she is that "self-healing" type, then it most likely can be interrupted (unless there is some other special mechanics), but due latency issues, might be near impossible for people far far away from server. We on EU servers which are still in US (hopefully not for long) have more than enough experience with this.. sometimes you simply cant react fast enough, cause you would need to see into the future to know "when".

Sapphy24 · July 2014

Katkon wrote: »

This post - specifically many of the whiny responses lamenting how horrible this game is due to "impossible" content (which is actually easily doable if you strategize a bit) perfectly sums up the problem with ESO currently: its players. Seriously, it's incredibly frustrating to see whining like this when its clearly not a broken game mechanic but rather an intended mechanic that requires thought and a bit of skill.... But only a little bit! C'mon guys - man up for cryin' out loud!!

You are joking... right?
Stop reading the posts.
Go have a nap, and then go play this great game.
Sends you a big hug and hope you get over your frustrations.

fosley_ESO · July 2014

BrassRazoo wrote: »

You have to stand right on top of them and just hope you are not in the middle of a cast

If you're in the middle of a cast, the block button should stop your cast. I have interrupt bound to a g-key I hit with my pinky, so I tap block->g9 real quick to interrupt my own cast then the enemy. If you're using the default keybind, you just interrupt and it goes off.

Given some other stuff I've seen in the game though, I wonder if the game sends a message to the server asking if you can stop the cast, then only sends the interrupt message after the stop cast confirmation comes back, effectively doubling your interrupt latency?

Knootewoot · July 2014

Took me 20 mins lol. Fired standard arrows at he boss and when she tried to heal i did one poison arrow to interupt. Misses a few times so she healed. It is possible, but as a NB i just hate healers and especially when there is another boss near.

theyancey · July 2014

I tried this quest a dozen times last night. I died a dozen times too. Interrupts didn't work. Not happy.

Unknown_poster · July 2014

Izatar wrote: »

Yes, this is supposed to be an interrupt test.
However, it doesn't work, at least it didn't for me. I live in Hawaii, so I suspect it is related to latency. If you have low latency, you interrupt her and burn her down. If you have high latency, as someone above states, the interrupt only works once in a while,and she heals in between.

In general, many things that people complain about that others don't have a problem with is based on latency: the level designers don't understand it I think.

You know what my worst nightmare in the game is? "E". That "E" is my most dreaded thing. Will press "E" transport me thorugh the door? Did it work? Should I press it again? How long should I wait before I press "E" again? Ooops, not long enough, I went through the door and then popped back again.
I hate "E". It is not robust to latency

Sucks to be you, sounds like ISP service issue, but I play from Japan and I have downed her on different characters. First time I got my ass handed to me over and over. Learning to interrupt her was key. Most people can't break their pre-conceived notions that as ranged you can't be right up on a boss. You can. It will serve you later. Thinking of the "upper" boss in hel-ra where your ranged interrupts occasionally miss, but your bash always hits, so you stand right on top of the add when she splits. Another tip...stand back by the corner after you kill the first 3 trash mobs. The ogrim and her spawn. It is possible to pull the ogrim separately, kill it, then engage her. Tap her and run around the corner to get her off her dais, trying to interrupt when shes higher than you on that thing will often miss. There is a pattern to what she does. Sidestep the frost and move into bash. She always goes to heal after the frost. Smack her and repeat and done.