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I want a full refund. I feel cheated.
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Swampster✭✭✭Depends where you are, in the EU those EULAs are basically unenforcable trash for a start.. and breaking a contract isn't breaking a law in any case, as it says you're breaking a contract, that's it.
It's then down to the injured party usually in a civil case to prove they have suffered a loss due to breech of said contract.. and if proven can be awarded compensation for their loss... but still no law has been broken.Edited by Swampster on July 7, 2014 11:58PMSwampriel - Nightblade (Archer Build) - Ebonheart Pact - Veteran
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LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭AdamBourke wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Perphection wrote: »In any other game I'd sell my account and come out making more money than I purchased the game for.
However, even with 2 VR12's and a VR2..I doubt I could get 30$ for my account.
Refund > Time invested
So in any other game, your discontent would prompt you to break the law?
Seriously, mods: why did we leave this thread open?
Break the law? What law is this person breaking? I would hate to live there.
The terms of service is a legally binding contract, I believe. By breaking it, and selling an account, the law is broken?
News flash, kiddo...not once has a TOS ever stood up in court (we're talking civil here) let alone "breaking the law"...your comment is just /ROFLMAOstrokegougemyeyesoutfacepalm
Not that I'm endorsing anything said in this thread....this entire thread is /facepalm1 -
Kulthax✭✭✭AdamBourke wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Perphection wrote: »In any other game I'd sell my account and come out making more money than I purchased the game for.
However, even with 2 VR12's and a VR2..I doubt I could get 30$ for my account.
Refund > Time invested
So in any other game, your discontent would prompt you to break the law?
Seriously, mods: why did we leave this thread open?
Break the law? What law is this person breaking? I would hate to live there.
The terms of service is a legally binding contract, I believe. By breaking it, and selling an account, the law is broken?
News flash, kiddo...not once has a TOS ever stood up in court (we're talking civil here) let alone "breaking the law"...your comment is just /ROFLMAOstrokegougemyeyesoutfacepalm
Not that I'm endorsing anything said in this thread....this entire thread is /facepalm
He was not the one to originally state they were breaking the law. Scroll up and read the thread.
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EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »Sorry you felt the need to come onto the forums and tell everyone.
I am still enjoying the game just fine.
Sorry you felt the need to come into this thread and tell everyone that you're still enjoying the game just fine.
Sorry that you felt the need to tell someone else sorry about being sorry about...wait, what are we talking about again?2 -
LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭AdamBourke wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Perphection wrote: »In any other game I'd sell my account and come out making more money than I purchased the game for.
However, even with 2 VR12's and a VR2..I doubt I could get 30$ for my account.
Refund > Time invested
So in any other game, your discontent would prompt you to break the law?
Seriously, mods: why did we leave this thread open?
Break the law? What law is this person breaking? I would hate to live there.
The terms of service is a legally binding contract, I believe. By breaking it, and selling an account, the law is broken?
News flash, kiddo...not once has a TOS ever stood up in court (we're talking civil here) let alone "breaking the law"...your comment is just /ROFLMAOstrokegougemyeyesoutfacepalm
Not that I'm endorsing anything said in this thread....this entire thread is /facepalm
He was not the one to originally state they were breaking the law. Scroll up and read the thread.
He said and I quote...lol...btw it's also higher up in your chain quoting down to me...
Anyway, he said...and I quote "The terms of service is a legally binding contract, I believe. By breaking it, and selling an account, the law is broken?"0 -
NetViperX✭✭✭✭You know what makes me feel cheated?
There are three different colors of beautiful Frogs in this game and I can't get one as a vanity pet. I can handle a few bugs, but not having a Frog vanity pet is killing me to death.5 -
Kulthax✭✭✭AdamBourke wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Perphection wrote: »In any other game I'd sell my account and come out making more money than I purchased the game for.
However, even with 2 VR12's and a VR2..I doubt I could get 30$ for my account.
Refund > Time invested
So in any other game, your discontent would prompt you to break the law?
Seriously, mods: why did we leave this thread open?
Break the law? What law is this person breaking? I would hate to live there.
The terms of service is a legally binding contract, I believe. By breaking it, and selling an account, the law is broken?
News flash, kiddo...not once has a TOS ever stood up in court (we're talking civil here) let alone "breaking the law"...your comment is just /ROFLMAOstrokegougemyeyesoutfacepalm
Not that I'm endorsing anything said in this thread....this entire thread is /facepalm
He was not the one to originally state they were breaking the law. Scroll up and read the thread.
He said and I quote...lol...btw it's also higher up in your chain quoting down to me...
Anyway, he said...and I quote "The terms of service is a legally binding contract, I believe. By breaking it, and selling an account, the law is broken?"
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LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭AdamBourke wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Perphection wrote: »In any other game I'd sell my account and come out making more money than I purchased the game for.
However, even with 2 VR12's and a VR2..I doubt I could get 30$ for my account.
Refund > Time invested
So in any other game, your discontent would prompt you to break the law?
Seriously, mods: why did we leave this thread open?
Break the law? What law is this person breaking? I would hate to live there.
The terms of service is a legally binding contract, I believe. By breaking it, and selling an account, the law is broken?
News flash, kiddo...not once has a TOS ever stood up in court (we're talking civil here) let alone "breaking the law"...your comment is just /ROFLMAOstrokegougemyeyesoutfacepalm
Not that I'm endorsing anything said in this thread....this entire thread is /facepalm
He was not the one to originally state they were breaking the law. Scroll up and read the thread.
Oh, nevermind...disregard the above...your post was a dig at our paid Zenimax poster Nerevarine, right? Now I getcha 3 -
indytims_ESO✭✭✭✭Folks complaining that their accounts aren't "worth anything"... LOL.
Of -course- they aren't worth anything. The game is like 90 days old. Your X number of VR 12s was achieved in that amount of time, tells anyone even thinking of buying an account that they, too, can get those levels pretty easy...
And as I've said over and over, this game is just -too easy-. Max-level EQ1 characters in the old days selling for $1k? Ok, I can see that. But welcome to 2014. Most games allow pretty speedy advancement with minimal effort and time invested. You guys crack me up.
But I do enjoy reading the QQ in this forum. There's -always- an easy way out: it's called 'Cancel Sub', followed by 'Move on with life'.
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Alephen✭✭✭AdamBourke wrote: »AdamBourke wrote: »I don't get it. Why would anyone buy someone's account?
I play a game to... you know, play it. Not load up someone else's saved game and say I finished.
to do exactly what the people who are stating they sell accounts are complaining about: get to the end game content/gear without effort.
What is it that's so inherently better about endgame? And I don't mean in ESO in particular (Where I've heard the endgame isn't the best), but in general?
I'm quite happily working my way through the zones. 'tis fun.
Will I have way more fun when I get to the end?
didnt mean for this to be a debate on the merits of account buying. few games allow it, thus it is at best a dishonest practice in most, just as gold buying is. however, both exist because certain people want something faster/easier and care not about their personal ethics.Edited by Alephen on July 8, 2014 12:14AM0 -
AdamBourke✭✭✭✭✭News flash, kiddo...not once has a TOS ever stood up in court (we're talking civil here) let alone "breaking the law"...your comment is just /ROFLMAOstrokegougemyeyesoutfacepalm
Not that I'm endorsing anything said in this thread....this entire thread is /facepalm[/quote]
Just because no-one has been charged, doesn't mean it's not against the law. Not to mention that there are different laws in different countries. Here in the UK there may just be different laws from whichever state the datacenters for ESO are (Which I gather is where the case would be tried if it got to court).
But the fact remains that Terms of Service are technically legally binding (In both the UK and USA, and probably many other places).
(It's also really hard to research this, as google just returns a load of websites' terms pages!)PS4 - EU
Please put the Eyevea/EarthForge wayshrines back on the map?2 -
Alephen✭✭✭indytims_ESO wrote: »Folks complaining that their accounts aren't "worth anything"... LOL.
Of -course- they aren't worth anything. The game is like 90 days old. Your X number of VR 12s was achieved in that amount of time, tells anyone even thinking of buying an account that they, too, can get those levels pretty easy...
And as I've said over and over, this game is just -too easy-. Max-level EQ1 characters in the old days selling for $1k? Ok, I can see that. But welcome to 2014. Most games allow pretty speedy advancement with minimal effort and time invested. You guys crack me up.
But I do enjoy reading the QQ in this forum. There's -always- an easy way out: it's called 'Cancel Sub', followed by 'Move on with life'.
/agreed
17 hours to vr1, dont think it takes any longer to get to vr12 how much do they think a 40 hour character should be worth, i wonder.
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LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭AdamBourke wrote: »Just because no-one has been charged, doesn't mean it's not against the law. Not to mention that there are different laws in different countries. Here in the UK there may just be different laws from whichever state the datacenters for ESO are (Which I gather is where the case would be tried if it got to court).
But the fact remains that Terms of Service are technically legally binding (In both the UK and USA, and probably many other places).
(It's also really hard to research this, as google just returns a load of websites' terms pages!)
Stop...just stop...you're making yourself look foolish and/or like a teenager with no real world experience.Edited by LrdRahvin on July 8, 2014 12:48AM1 -
rynth✭✭✭✭✭get your money back lol, yeah um me too I'd like to get my money back for every game that I bought I didn't like er I mean didn't work.....um movies too yeah um I've had movies to that didn't work...I'd like my money back too, oh and I had some defective books that I need get my money back alsoWhen asked what he would do for a Klondike bar. Grand Moff Tarkin said "why I would blow up Alderaan."1
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thebigfist✭✭✭You guys are super off topic. But i am game.
The value of characters is directly affected by the value of the game. Much like a telephone or facebook, if no one uses it, then it is worthless. If everyone uses it, the value and capabilities are great. People buy accounts for endgame gear and status. Status was a big one in WOW. It is not illegal. It is not shady. I support it. I find it hilarious. In WOW you could always tell who bought their character. Sure you paid money to null the grind, but you lost the vital experience. In some games, it is still called for. Aion for example. To hit max level and then grind for gear, wow you had to be some sort of wizard. You know, that kind of wizard. Hahaha.1 -
boogie95✭✭✭you can always dispute it with your bank or paypal there are things to help the people i for one love the game but this fps problem is to much PVP is unplayable even some PVE when around many players but since im in vet zones there isent many players. but this is very bad bussiness on zos part1
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Istyar✭✭✭I know how you feel. This game had so much potential to be one of the best, and now it is going to be one of the worst.Istyar ~ Sorcerer - Aldmeri Dominion - Savior of Nirn - Hero of Tamriel
Istyar, the old sorcerer from Summerset Isles, Master of the Old Ways of the Psjiic Order and Grand Master of the Illusion and Mysticism Divison of Aldmeri Dominion Army.
Check the UESP and learn more about TES universe: https://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page2 -
DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Perphection wrote: »In any other game I'd sell my account and come out making more money than I purchased the game for.
However, even with 2 VR12's and a VR2..I doubt I could get 30$ for my account.
Refund > Time invested
So in any other game, your discontent would prompt you to break the law?
Seriously, mods: why did we leave this thread open?
ROFL, selling ones account in some random MMO might be against EULA (and it's not in some games, Eve Online for example) but there is no criminal law that person is breaking. No District Attorney anywhere in the USA is going to prosecute any person for violating EULA.Edited by DeLindsay on July 8, 2014 1:54AM2 -
LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Perphection wrote: »In any other game I'd sell my account and come out making more money than I purchased the game for.
However, even with 2 VR12's and a VR2..I doubt I could get 30$ for my account.
Refund > Time invested
So in any other game, your discontent would prompt you to break the law?
Seriously, mods: why did we leave this thread open?
ROFL, selling ones account in some random MMO might be against EULA (and it's not in some games, Eve Online for example) but there is no criminal law that person is breaking. No District Attorney anywhere in the USA is going to prosecute any person for violating EULA.
Correct...this is because EULAs and TOS's have ZERO legal weight behind them. Just because a software company hires some lawyers to draw up gibberish and SAY that by using their product you are agreeing to previously mentioned gibberish and that it is legally binding means nothing.
I tell people I am Santa Claus...doesn't mean I am.Edited by LrdRahvin on July 8, 2014 2:02AM1 -
DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
✭Correct...this is because EULAs and TOS's have ZERO legal weight behind them. Just because a software company hires some lawyers to draw up gibberish and SAY that by using their product you are agreeing to previously mentioned gibberish and that it is legally binding means nothing.
I tell people I am Santa Claus...doesn't mean I am.
Yeah most EULA's, TOS's, etc are written so as to keep the COMPANY from being sued when for example thy just close your account or ban you from a game, etc. You try and sue them and they point to the part of the EULA that you broke, that nobody actually reads anyway haha.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Perphection wrote: »In any other game I'd sell my account and come out making more money than I purchased the game for.
However, even with 2 VR12's and a VR2..I doubt I could get 30$ for my account.
Refund > Time invested
So in any other game, your discontent would prompt you to break the law?
Seriously, mods: why did we leave this thread open?
ROFL, selling ones account in some random MMO might be against EULA (and it's not in some games, Eve Online for example) but there is no criminal law that person is breaking. No District Attorney anywhere in the USA is going to prosecute any person for violating EULA.
Yeah, you know that civil law and criminal law are distinct things, right?
The DA doesn't get the pleasure of taking you to court. ZO can and will shut down the account in question, and they would have every right to take you to court for any proceeds made from the sale of your account. The same laws prevent you from reselling the actual packaged game once it's been opened (or in most cases, before it's even opened). You don't own the software or the account. You just purchased the rights to use it.----
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theyancey✭✭✭✭✭
✭None of you can sue anyway. You signed an agreement waiving that right and agreeing to all disputes to be settled by binding arbitration. Besides that NO ONE is due any kind of refund. I have bought plenty of books, movies, and games over the years that I did not like. You don't get refunds for that. Just go away and play something else. Makes no sense for you to be spending any more time here. Just go and find a happier life.
On the other hand there are about a dozen people that I wish ZOS would buy out and perma ban. These forums would be a much nicer place without them.1 -
themizario✭✭✭ZOS_TristanK wrote: »Hi there, @thebigfist. We understand that issues are frustrating, and appreciate your feedback. In order to discuss the possibility of a refund, please contact our Support Team.
Sounds like a good bye/rage quit thread. Shut-er down! LOL I'm just kidding0 -
None of you can sue anyway. You signed an agreement waiving that right and agreeing to all disputes to be settled by binding arbitration. Besides that NO ONE is due any kind of refund. I have bought plenty of books, movies, and games over the years that I did not like. You don't get refunds for that. Just go away and play something else. Makes no sense for you to be spending any more time here. Just go and find a happier life.
On the other hand there are about a dozen people that I wish ZOS would buy out and perma ban. These forums would be a much nicer place without them.
Yeah literally not a single person even mentioned the possibility of suing Zenimax. The whole topic of the EULA and legality is about whether or not it's against the law to sell accounts or characters.
P.S. it's not. Breaking a contract isn't against the law, it at worst opens you up to civil liability. It's part of the difference between a "crime" and a "tort."
P.P.S. I'm sure Zenimax loves it every time someone on these forums tells someone posting under a paid account to go away. After 5 times I hear they send you a fruit basket.3 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭So if i get the OP right he want his money back for he think it is to many bugs in game??
I have meet 3 bugs in game after it went live and i can tell you that beta was more bug then live version also OP you should know that NO mmo is total bug FREE not even mmo that have been out for 10 years i still found bug in older mmo then ESO so basically i would be rich man by now if got my money back each time i found bug serious if like the game as you say you do you would just stop play until YOU think the have fix all bugs but reminder you can help them by send bug report if everyone did send bug report when found a bug most bug would be fix by now.
I have meet people stand in front bug mobs or npc and whine that the bug and the just leave without send bug report and after the go forum and whine about how bug the game so OP just don't blame Zenimax you should also blame the community for not help out.
If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0 -
Mutagem✭✭✭I honestly don't get the hate with this game lol
I just got it a few days ago and I'm loving the crap out of it. All the quests so far seem actually meaningful versus mindless tasks like in Tera for example....smhMutagem - AD Stamina Nightblade - Prefect
Mutagentleman - AD Magicka Templar - Palatine
Mutageneticist - AD Magicka Sorcerer - Corporal0 -
thebigfist✭✭✭Would it kill some of you to use a period? No one can understand what you want to say.
I caught that last part. I have reported many bugs. Non fixed thus far, hahaha. I found work-arounds for many bugs, but many other bugs still persist.
Agreed Mutagem. And others who are enjoying the game. Unfortunately it seems much of this feeling is case by case; some players are miraculously having no bugs at all, and others can't go 10 minutes without some bad code getting us killed. I love the game, but I hate the execution of it. My game remains in the far spectrum of "unplayable" despite efforts by myself and customer support attempting to fix it. Everything was fine for me before the June 24th patch. Then all hell broke loose. There has been no hotfix for the patch nor was the rerolled to safe working state for all.
If you do not have any issues with the game, awesome! I am crossing my fingers and knocking on wood for you. Each patch is a risk, hahah. I can't seem to get to the opportunity to enjoy the game, but I am glad that someone can.Edited by thebigfist on July 8, 2014 7:30AM0 -
Elad13✭✭✭Geez if I could get a refund on a game I bought that would be amazing. ..you know how many 1 week duds I have bought? The whole thing about playing a game to v12 with 2 toons and claiming it was not worth it? ?? Really??? Isn't that like eating at McDonald's for a month and then saying you want your money back because it doesn't look like the add?? I guess you forgot all the time in between that you prospered by. This is entertainment...."are you not entertained??" (Gladiator) but since olé Russell isn't that great anymore I want my money back for all the movies with him in it...now if gladiator came with a warning that this would be one of his only few good movies...I wouldn't be asking.....lol1
